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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1808
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:06:31 -
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Dear Scherezad-haani, I am sorry you got into this situation, but I could only suggest to petition to CONCORD and plea that you weren't involved in shady affairs of dishonorable Priano. |

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1957
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:13:39 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Dear Scherezad-haani, I am sorry you got into this situation, but I could only suggest to petition to CONCORD and plea that you weren't involved in shady affairs of dishonorable Priano. CONCORD was witness to my entire interaction through the DED observer, Kim-haani. I'm not going to grovel for their amusement. If they repay generosity to allies and efficient work with sanctions, I'll wear those sanctions proudly. |

Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
113
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:17:55 -
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Diana Kim wrote: ...this is against Caldari traditions...
Which one? The one where the plucky Caldari scientist discovers something monumental?
Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!
"DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
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Anslo
Scope Works
31868
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:20:48 -
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Aldrith I love you for this thread please keep it going
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1077
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:22:28 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Samira Kernher wrote: If you wished a polite and cooperative handling of the situation, perhaps you should have considered keeping the negotiations in the private sphere. PIE's response might have been different had we been contacted directly and away from the public eye. The way you chose to handle this situation, however, has left us with only the option of applying public pressure in the hope of seeing the situation resolved in an expedient and law-abiding manner.
A comforting lie, Kernher. Your organization's response would have been the same as every others': "bend the knee," nevermind that Scherezad-haani, Dr. Celes Tenebrae, and I have never had any means to materially comply with Korachi's demands and hegemonic whims. Perhaps where you are from, group punishments are unheard of. In Amarr, consequences for your associates as a result of your own actions is common. Generational slavery is exactly that. I was born as a slave as punishment for the sins of people thousands of years ago. Such a thing is to encourage people to think of the effects their actions have on others instead of just themselves. This, unfortunately, was a lesson Lord Raholan never seemed to have learned, and now his associates and his entire house will be paying the price for his transgressions. The person you should be blaming is him, not us, and not CONCORD. So yes, we would have told you to bend the knee. But we would have been more willing to assist you in negotiating for a more lenient response, and it would have been done without the need for public rebuking and formal disassociation. But when you make the matter public, and release private mails, you force a firm and equally public stance. Listen well Caldari allies of the Slavery cult, thousands of years of punishment for being in a group which, do to the perceived transgression of the slavery cult member's unwillingness to comply with a heavy handed CONCORD is coming your way with the blessings of PIE. Right now it seems like the honorable Caldari have done all they can and their fates are in the hands of the slavery cult member of their "group", choosing dishonorable allies always comes with a price. Currently that price is being set by CONCORD, The slavery cult is looking for more patsies to join them in a war against the Jove. History tells us how well their last contest went. Today they outnumbered a force of Drifters who were able to transport into the heart of their domain by methods they cannot match, certainly a tactical challenge in a combat situation, and now they wish to press forward with war! Stand with them if you choose but pray the Jove do not treat "groups" as severely as the demonic slavery cultist amarrians do.
I do not envy the Matari community that have to deal with you...
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Zekiel Iyhr
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:28:42 -
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Lucas should arm-wrestle me. I'll make him cry. |

Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
129
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:34:04 -
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The arguments here lack so much logic and thought that it does not surprise me they come from the Faithful.
Lets look at some facts
1. While you are all sitting on your ass, Lucus, Makoto, Scherezad and the others are out there actually doing something useful to provide answers to the rest of us, often at the risk of their own lives.
2. The amount of information they have provided the cluster has been insurmountable, and they have freely shared this information with EVERYONE. Numerous reports, summaries, biological and technological information has been given to CONCORD, the Empires and Capsuleers with absolutely no demand of payment or other concessions for the release of this information - more than I can say about many other Corporations - and they have at every turn worked with authorities to ensure the information is as accurate as possible.
Now some facts about CONCORD
1. CONCORD has not attempted to support any operations aligned with determining the threat of the Drifters nor figuring out any of the recent events. They have not sent scouts to Anoikis, null sec, or anywhere where they could be useful in determining if the space THEY are supposed to protect is in danger. Hell they haven't even be conducting research on the Jove Observatories inside High-sec.
2. CONCORD did NOTHING when the Drifters attacked the Conference on the autopsy report, and NOTHING again when they attacked the Amarr yesterday (And yet you find more fault in Lucas for not being there when he was driven out by the very people who had ships less than 10AU from you and did nothing)
3. CONCORD now ostracizes and makes outlaw the very people that have done literally ALL the legwork in these matters purely because they want to 'officially identify a body (which they have had plenty of time to do and could do if they just asked for a sample of DNA instead) and bury it.
If you seriously think that burying a ******* piece of charred brain matter is more important than EVERYTHING ELSE these people have done to aid the rest of you, you might want to check your clone for a brain tumor....or actually don't, perhaps we will get lucky and it will remove your genes from the pool.
This may be a little harsh, but seriously think this through people. Stop being so blind to what CONCORD is doing.
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1080
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Posted - 2015.06.28 17:39:02 -
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Then I guess I am doing nothing but sitting on my... ass... Screw the Fair and everything else... What would it be so surprising, coming from a Faithful, right... ? |

Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
132
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:00:28 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Then I guess I am doing nothing but sitting on my... ass... Screw the Fair and everything else... What would it be so surprising, coming from a Faithful, right... ?
My comments were not directed at you Ms. Farel
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
2405
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:03:50 -
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Scherezad wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Dear Scherezad-haani, I am sorry you got into this situation, but I could only suggest to petition to CONCORD and plea that you weren't involved in shady affairs of dishonorable Priano. CONCORD was witness to my entire interaction through the DED observer, Kim-haani. I'm not going to grovel for their amusement. If they repay generosity to allies and efficient work with sanctions, I'll wear those sanctions proudly.
I wish I could like this post a thousand times, but instead I'll just say this: You know you have my guns and or shield repair modules as and when you need them. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1720
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:08:03 -
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Scherezad wrote:For doing what I was asked, by an ally to my State and CEO, and by the legal police authority, I am being threatened with punishment, in order to 'encourage me to think of how my actions affect others'?
You are being threatened with punishment because you were unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and become associated with a criminal. As I said, your blame should be on Lord Raholan, not CONCORD. He is the cause of your troubles and it is him that needs to think about how his actions affect others.
I do not understand why people choose to condemn the response instead of the cause.
Sahriah Bloodstone wrote:Stop being so blind to what CONCORD is doing.
It doesn't matter what they are doing, what matters is that they have legal authority to do it.
You know my opinion of CONCORD, Ms. Bloodstone. While it has many issues, it has to be obeyed so long as it is the lawful authority in these matters.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Matar Ronin
554
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:26:27 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:
It doesn't matter what they are doing, what matters is that they have legal authority to do it.
You know my opinion of CONCORD, Ms. Bloodstone. While it has many issues, it has to be obeyed so long as it is the lawful authority in these matters.
The ends or the means have no merit or value to people who think like this, just blind allegiance to the "authority".
Be forewarned all willing to bend at the knees before your "reclaiming ally" or a heavy handed CONCORD, once you have abandoned your basic humanity to the "authority" of administrators, aka bishops, cardinals, admirals, et al this mewling sound of sucking up is all you'll be capable of also, a great human tragedy.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7200
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:27:11 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:
I do not understand why people choose to condemn the response instead of the cause.
Perhaps because the response is completely out of proportion to the cause, or because the response was punitive towards those who were blameless or could not materially comply even though they made every effort, or because Korachi is making outlaws of the very people he pinned medals to merely days before for the very same thing.
I may well never have seen such hegemonic nonsense so fecklessly bowed and scraped to.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1082
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:45:34 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Then I guess I am doing nothing but sitting on my... ass... Screw the Fair and everything else... What would it be so surprising, coming from a Faithful, right... ? My comments were not directed at you Ms. Farel
Ah... sorry then...
The Faithful criterion seemed to apply, as well as not having been part of the group of people that autopsied a drifter, or recovered Dr. Tukoss tissues... Thus my confusion, that I hope you will forgive... |

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1979
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Posted - 2015.06.28 18:50:16 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Scherezad wrote:For doing what I was asked, by an ally to my State and CEO, and by the legal police authority, I am being threatened with punishment, in order to 'encourage me to think of how my actions affect others'? You are being threatened with punishment because you were unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and become associated with a criminal. As I said, your blame should be on Lord Raholan, not CONCORD. He is the cause of your troubles and it is him that needs to think about how his actions affect others. I do not understand why people choose to condemn the response instead of the cause.
I apologize for being so angry earlier. I should have been more measured. I'll try that now.
The reason why we are upset with CONCORD and not Lord Raholan, Miss, (though I'll admit I'm irked at him as well), is the distinction between justice and law, and the distinction between honour and appearance.
If you're unable to understand why we're upset at CONCORD, then it's due to a lack of understanding of the differences between these concepts. |

Quin Mansa
Mamelik Hurusiyyad
36
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Posted - 2015.06.28 19:16:36 -
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The drink in dangerous, Brother Shutaq, and I implore you to reconsider its use in the future.
Do not yield to its sway, and keep your right thinking! Do not sully yourself in such undignified speech. God will punish the guilty through His Chosen, and we will praise Him for it. |

Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
137
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Posted - 2015.06.28 19:29:30 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:
It doesn't matter what they are doing, what matters is that they have legal authority to do it.
You know my opinion of CONCORD, Ms. Bloodstone. While it has many issues, it has to be obeyed so long as it is the lawful authority in these matters.
I do, and while we agree on many things, I must disagree with belief that we must follow an entity so corrupt, that is actively trying to destroy the very people that risked their lives to uncover information relating to this threat (to bury a piece of brain for Gods sake), all while completely ignoring every single chance they have had to act in the defense of the cluster.
We both know the time, resources and assets that would need to be invested on fixing CONCORD. Sadly it's not a viable option if a war starts, but it is also not viable to follow an organization who does not lift a finger to protect those under it.
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ah... sorry then...
The Faithful criterion seemed to apply, as well as not having been part of the group of people that autopsied a drifter, or recovered Dr. Tukoss tissues... Thus my confusion, that I hope you will forgive...
Understandable, my words were harsh. My intent was not to say all Faithful that had not been part of the research group lacked logic or thought, merely to say that the indoctrinating culture of the Faithful has a tendency to encourage a linear thought pattern. Comments that say 'I don't care how much you've done to help the cluster, but you weren't at a optional ceremony that was unpredictably attacked by an armada - so your a bad person.' Displays an ignorance that is astounding, and that I have only seen reliably from members of the Faithful...and perhaps one Caldari.
While a great many of the Faithful posses a zombie-like way of thinking I find truly distasteful, there are also a great many who stand as thoughtful, intelligent and measured individuals. I should hope those people know who they are, but perhaps I should be more specific in the future. Anger obviously got the better of me.
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
558
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Posted - 2015.06.28 19:32:48 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Scherezad wrote:For doing what I was asked, by an ally to my State and CEO, and by the legal police authority, I am being threatened with punishment, in order to 'encourage me to think of how my actions affect others'? You are being threatened with punishment because you were unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and become associated with a criminal. As I said, your blame should be on Lord Raholan, not CONCORD. He is the cause of your troubles and it is him that needs to think about how his actions affect others. I do not understand why people choose to condemn the response instead of the cause. Sahriah Bloodstone wrote:Stop being so blind to what CONCORD is doing. It doesn't matter what they are doing, what matters is that they have legal authority to do it. You know my opinion of CONCORD, Ms. Bloodstone. While it has many issues, it has to be obeyed so long as it is the lawful authority in these matters.
Well, Ms. Kernher,
you don't need to understand: All you need is to obey. It'd be befitting of you not go about grovelling to CONCORD, denying that any critique of the DED actions is unbefitting when the Office of the Imperial Chancellor criticises the DED for its heavy handed action.
What the DED is doing here is therefore clearly not the same as the kind of collective punishments handed out in the Empire. If you can't grasp that, please contact the Office of the Imperial Chancellor and ask them to explain their stance to you.
Yet, one would expect you to simply defer to their authority, something you repeatedly fail to. A shame, really.
- N. Mithra |

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
558
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Posted - 2015.06.28 19:34:47 -
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Scherezad wrote:If you're unable to understand why we're upset at CONCORD, then it's due to a lack of understanding of the differences between these concepts. It's slavish natures that are unable to see and grasp such differences. |

Alabath Schmidt
The Scope Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2015.06.28 19:36:50 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:It's because he has his thumb stuck up Hillen Tukoss's dead arse.
Tee hee, he said arse!
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1725
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Posted - 2015.06.28 21:09:28 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Well, Ms. Kernher,
you don't need to understand: All you need is to obey. It'd be befitting of you not go about grovelling to CONCORD, denying that any critique of the DED actions is unbefitting when the Office of the Imperial Chancellor criticises the DED for its heavy handed action.
What the DED is doing here is therefore clearly not the same as the kind of collective punishments handed out in the Empire. If you can't grasp that, please contact the Office of the Imperial Chancellor and ask them to explain their stance to you.
Yet, one would expect you to simply defer to their authority, something you repeatedly fail to. A shame, really.
- N. Mithra
The Imperial Chancellor has criticized the degree of DED's actions, but they have not said that the DED should be refused. What they did was take a politically neutral stance by passing equal blame to both parties and calling the entire thing a mess, which it is.
Meanwhile, the Court Chamberlain is imposing additional punishments.
At no point has any Imperial authority deemed it acceptable to refuse the DED's orders.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
920
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Posted - 2015.06.28 21:47:49 -
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Stop trying to defend the DED, this is not what this is about. This is about Raholan pulling himself out of whatever hole he has stuck himself in and defending his own actions like a man. CONCORD might be waving a sledge hammer at this problem, but Raholan could end it all with a single act, one that he should have done from the beginning.
I have inflicted this vulgarity upon the IGS to reflect the vulgarity his pride has inflicted upon us all. It is a Holder's DUTY to be a better man than this, and he has failed spectacularly. And for what? He does not even deem it fit to come out and defend his actions? Why are so many suffering for his sake? There is no discernible reason other than for the sake of being an obstinate ass. No one cares if you are offended Raholan, by this point you deserve a bucket of verbal acid in your face every time you try to hold your head up higher than a slave's.
And before the rest of you go judging, I should inform you that mocking fallen Holders is a time-honored tradition among the commoners of the Empire; I have simply thrown the first rotten tomato at the man's head. Unfortunately the head stuck in the pillory is too cowardly to say anything back. |

Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
614
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Posted - 2015.06.28 22:09:50 -
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Lord Raholan,
Your peers have called you to task. Your colleagues have called you to task.
Whatever your reasons for refusing to cooperate, the honorable course of action is to at least consider how your actions are affecting those whom serve(d) beside you. Far be it from me to presume that you've made no effort to contact them and discuss your course of action, but if you have not, I implore you to do so.
I further implore you to do all that is within your power to seek amnesty for those individuals now affected by your individual resistance.
I do not know or understand your reasoning for this course of action but I do know that others are paying the price for it.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
759
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Posted - 2015.06.28 23:08:58 -
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Good on you Aldrith for retracting this vitriol. I am impressed. |

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
1157
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Posted - 2015.06.29 04:47:29 -
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The majority of capsuleers would have pretended they didn't say what they did, or would have only apologized where no others might see and criticize them for it.
Captain Aldrith, I am pleased to see you remain an honorable man, willing to admit when he misspoke.
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
434
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Posted - 2015.06.29 07:16:55 -
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I Observe that Aldrith Shutaq has Apoligised.
Is this Incident classified as Performance Art ?
I am Somewhat Confused. |

Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1325
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Posted - 2015.07.01 04:15:17 -
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I, Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, Goddess of the IGS, approve of this thread.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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