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Jordon Wallace School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.07.01 17:39:51 - [1] - Quote Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so? I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think?
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10520	Posted - 2015.07.01 17:47:07 - [2] - Quote If it retained the core values tranquillity currently does then yes. Tq however is very much alive and kicking and will hopefully remain so for some time to come. =]\|[=
Wendrika Hydreiga 420	Posted - 2015.07.01 17:50:38 - [3] - Quote Why not just improve upon (imperfect) perfection? EVE as a game has been in a constant state of improvement, and almost every single part of the game has gone through refinement and modification. Why gamble it all in a new game, when the one we have right now is still malleable? Legacy code aside that is...
DaReaper Net 7 2265	Posted - 2015.07.01 17:58:07 - [4] - Quote i have already stated that if ccp announced eve closure tomorrow, i would most likly start hounding them for source code, and see if i could find programmers to help bring eve back ala EnB's emulation project. got a few people who agreed, so i think yes is your answer. If done correctly, we players could redo or improve eve, but i hope that doens;t happen for many many years. Edit addition: My only hope would be in eve did close, that it would be because CCP has bene working on EVE 2.0 which would be a complete rewrite and update of eve, or EVE became part of new 'New Eden' game, which had valk, legion, eve, and other games tied in to make one cohesive game (yes ala Star Citizen) OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Vic Jefferson The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 475	Posted - 2015.07.01 18:19:42 - [5] - Quote Jordon Wallace wrote: With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. So, in all practicality, it is hard enough to balance one game, let alone three, let alone the interaction between three. I understand where it is logically and conceptually pleasing to want to tote or even live under the slogan "One Universe". A lot of the current malaise could be blamed on spreading creative talent and quality checking too thin between several game lines. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Jordon Wallace School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.07.01 18:23:31 - [6] - Quote Vic Jefferson wrote: Jordon Wallace wrote: With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. So, in all practicality, it is hard enough to balance one game, let alone three, let alone the interaction between three. I understand where it is logically and conceptually pleasing to want to tote or even live under the slogan "One Universe". A lot of the current malaise could be blamed on spreading creative talent and quality checking too thin between several game lines. Thing is they have already started developing them it's beyond the conceptional level, so in the spirit of One Universe it's only right they keep in tandem with that, was a executive decision not one by the players but since they started it they should see it through and integrate them the best they can. Sure it can be argued of the practicality of starting these projects but what is done is done all that can be done is make the best of it.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10524	Posted - 2015.07.01 18:32:16 - [7] - Quote Jordon Wallace wrote: Vic Jefferson wrote: Jordon Wallace wrote: With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. So, in all practicality, it is hard enough to balance one game, let alone three, let alone the interaction between three. I understand where it is logically and conceptually pleasing to want to tote or even live under the slogan "One Universe". A lot of the current malaise could be blamed on spreading creative talent and quality checking too thin between several game lines. Thing is they have already started developing them it's beyond the conceptional level, so in the spirit of One Universe it's only right they keep in tandem with that, was a executive decision not one by the players but since they started it they should see it through and integrate them the best they can. Sure it can be argued of the practicality of starting these projects but what is done is done all that can be done is make the best of it. remember though that they are happening because of the continued success of eve, one does not tattoo the baby , never mind for something yet to prove its worth =]\|[=
DaReaper Net 7 2267	Posted - 2015.07.01 18:34:08 - [8] - Quote Vic Jefferson wrote: Jordon Wallace wrote: With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. So, in all practicality, it is hard enough to balance one game, let alone three, let alone the interaction between three. I understand where it is logically and conceptually pleasing to want to tote or even live under the slogan "One Universe". A lot of the current malaise could be blamed on spreading creative talent and quality checking too thin between several game lines. As of right now, Valk, Legion, and EVE are not going to be connected. Thye just take place in the same game world. Kinda like you have the Army ding battle somethere in the world, and then you have people driving race cars elsewhere. They take place in the same world, but are different things. You will be able to switch between experences but they will have different goals. What i want to see is basicly EVE Legion and Valk being like the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines. Each group has its own primary opbjective and goals and way things happen, but there can be cordination between. For example, Allaince A wants to take system x form alliance B. they send in Legion troops to mess with Alliance b's startions, or citadels, or ihub, or planets, or something. This has an effect on the Multiplyers for the servers. Alliance A then sends in Valk pilots to mess with starigic targets, like communication arrays, or disabling something else. Then Alliance A's eve pilots dish out most of the other stuff and flip the system. All three games can contribute. But lets say Alliance A thinks valk and legion are stupid. Alliance A can completely ignore thouse other 2 games, and still do stuff in eve. But i have gone off topic so i digress OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 22139	Posted - 2015.07.01 18:39:00 - [9] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ..one does not tattoo the baby... I know its a saying... *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Webvan All Kill No Skill 10562	Posted - 2015.07.02 00:17:30 - [10] - Quote Jordon Wallace wrote: Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. EMP strikes? I don't think we will be worrying about games so much at that point. You see, the difference between CCP and most of the new game developers is that CCP is looking towards long term goals and plans, loosely, but generally. They have stated that they plan to be here in 10yrs with EVE (many MUDs are much much older and still active). The new generation of games, their plans are to get as much of your money as they can, or from the few cash cows that spend tens of thousands each, and then move onto the next game project to milk them again. You just start playing EVE? You don't need to worry about 'being behind' and wanting it to be wiped and starting over so you can become whatever. All opportunities are open for new players, and you don't need 300mil SP do do that. As a sandbox game, a big factor is with social skills and even social engineering, if you want to put time in to do that at least. Having a lot of SP doesn't automatically give you the skills to build mega empires.

Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 251	Posted - 2015.07.02 01:39:43 - [11] - Quote Because CCP has managed the financial side of EVE as badly as they have they cannot even keep EVE up to date as it is, they simply have zero income to produce an entire other game (see recent fps utter failure as example). I seriously doubt any business with profit in mind would pick up a dead game and make a sequel. Honestly EVE has been living on borrowed time since the moment of its release. EVE only has the playerbase it does now because you automatically win when youre the only entity in the arena this will be changing within the next year or two and then CCPs poor management of this game will be brought to stark resolve. EVE will continue on as every dead game usually keeps being hosted by the producing company as long as enough "hangers'-on" keep playing. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Commander Spurty Dimension Door We need wards. 1486	Posted - 2015.07.02 11:09:17 - [12] - Quote I'm getting too old and s little cranky for these "doom and gloom" posts. I was going through my catalog of MMOs I once played. In there are about 40 "EVE killers". Well, I'm starting to sense a pattern here. There are good ships And wood ships And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP
Spurty Dimension Door We need wards. 1488	Posted - 2015.07.02 11:09:17 - [13] - Quote I'm getting too old and s little cranky for these "doom and gloom" posts. I was going through my catalog of MMOs I once played. In there are about 40 "EVE killers". Well, I'm starting to sense a pattern here. There are good ships And wood ships And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP
Angelica Dreamstar Epic Boo Bees 599	Posted - 2015.07.02 11:14:46 - [14] - Quote Jordon Wallace wrote: Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so? I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think? I think that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and let excitement cloud your judgement. You're the cutest thing that I ever did seeeeee I so much want to shake your treeeee Lovey dovey, lovey dovey, lovey dovey all the time Ooh wee baby, I sure show you a good tiiiiime
Jordon Wallace School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.07.02 14:00:59 - [15] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: Jordon Wallace wrote: Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so? I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think? I think that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and let excitement cloud your judgement. Please build on that.
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 602	Posted - 2015.07.02 14:24:01 - [16] - Quote Well first of all won't there be a another EVE with the same lore, because Intellectual Property is a thing. Then there is your abuse of the word "generation". Then you use the word "iteration", ignoring that EVE already went through countless. The very best part comes when you write "a more rich experience", shpwing that ypu have no clue of this game, the experiences it has to offer or what "rich experience" means in the first place. Now hush hush, my little friend, go play the game and experience it's depth and madness! You're the cutest thing that I ever did seeeeee I so much want to shake your treeeee Lovey dovey, lovey dovey, lovey dovey all the time Ooh wee baby, I sure show you a good tiiiiime
Jordon Wallace School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.07.02 15:18:24 - [17] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: Well first of all won't there be a another EVE with the same lore, because Intellectual Property is a thing. Then there is your abuse of the word "generation". Then you use the word "iteration", ignoring that EVE already went through countless. The very best part comes when you write "a more rich experience", shpwing that ypu have no clue of this game, the experiences it has to offer or what "rich experience" means in the first place. Now hush hush, my little friend, go play the game and experience it's depth and madness! Alright, correct me if I am wrong or not understanding something here. - CCP has the rights to EVE therefore they could in time make a new EVE if they wanted to or sell those rights - How is it abuse of the word generation and iteration? Both implying a new EVE would be a second generation and or iteration of it's predecessor - How am I wrong saying it would be a more rich experience? Do you know what it's like being new and being barred from doing so many things in the game for such a long time? You understand the figures of new player retention in EVE yeah? Not trying to be aggressive or anything but I just want to understand your point of view and for you to understand mine. I love this game but it's very apparant CCP needs to make changes if EVE is to continue like it should. And don't misinterpret me as crying for a new generation of EVE now I am saying that would be good when and if it happens as I said EVE will not last forever.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon That Escalated Quickly. 1616	Posted - 2015.07.02 15:24:21 - [18] - Quote Jordon Wallace wrote: Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so? I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think? It would be the death of eve to start a new shard - for certain. I would not want to start skilling again and I only have 80 mil SP on my main. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 741	Posted - 2015.07.02 15:24:26 - [19] - Quote All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over". Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what?
chmeee kzin Raging Main Zero Fux. 11	Posted - 2015.07.02 15:32:31 - [20] - Quote Jordon Wallace wrote: Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think? It's a "certainty" ? Well... you are either from the future and here to warn us of impending doom, or maybe you have no idea what you are talking about. Outside of the Eve universe is a company called CCP who uses a entertainment medium referred to by the gaming industry as a MMO / MMOG which has one prevailing motive in order to sustain a business model. Profit! As long as there is money to be made, there will be Eve. Those of us who have played this game long enough have heard the same refrain time and again. Yet Eve is still here! I suspect that it might outlive me. (I'm a fossil). As far as "New Player Retention". Eve has been and will continue to be a game that harshly separates the "wheat from the chaff". The player base that has adapted over the years to numerous iterations of Eve are the "winnowing fork" that accomplishes this and ensures that we have a game worthy of continued play. It is the new generation of players whose culture of "I want it now", "How come it's not free", or "You mean I actually have to earn that" mentality that WILL fail at this game. No iteration of Eve 2.0 or such will ever change that or make it a better game. Not once has anyone ever had to create content for me or make it "better" in Eve. If I have a complaint, It's that there are not enough hours in a day to do all the things I would like! Yeah I'm retired and can devote time to my hobby. And yes... I earned that as well! Exits soapbox

Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10560	Posted - 2015.07.02 15:38:36 - [21] - Quote Yarda Black wrote: All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over". Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what? Actually it's" if eve was already dead and ccp had another go at it" but the difference is irrelevant , she's still kicking. =]\|[=
Jordon Wallace School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.07.02 16:17:50 - [22] - Quote chmeee kzin wrote: Jordon Wallace wrote: Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think? It's a "certainty" ? Well... you are either from the future and here to warn us of impending doom, or maybe you have no idea what you are talking about. Outside of the Eve universe is a company called CCP who uses a entertainment medium referred to by the gaming industry as a MMO / MMOG which has one prevailing motive in order to sustain a business model. Profit! As long as there is money to be made, there will be Eve. Those of us who have played this game long enough have heard the same refrain time and again. Yet Eve is still here! I suspect that it might outlive me. (I'm a fossil). As far as "New Player Retention". Eve has been and will continue to be a game that harshly separates the "wheat from the chaff". The player base that has adapted over the years to numerous iterations of Eve are the "winnowing fork" that accomplishes this and ensures that we have a game worthy of continued play. It is the new generation of players whose culture of "I want it now", "How come it's not free", or "You mean I actually have to earn that" mentality that WILL fail at this game. No iteration of Eve 2.0 or such will ever change that or make it a better game. Not once has anyone ever had to create content for me or make it "better" in Eve. If I have a complaint, It's that there are not enough hours in a day to do all the things I would like! Yeah I'm retired and can devote time to my hobby. And yes... I earned that as well! Exits soapbox Not asking for instant gratification and I do not have a I want it now attitude although I get why you push that onto new people and have that stereotype. I am willing to work for things and apply brain power and time to get it as are a lot of new people. I also have a stereotype which runs counter to yours of veteran players thinking just because they went through the same thing it shouldn't change or be adapted in a way to make things better. You got to remember that a lot of you will have started playing around the same time when EVE was still growing, the playing field was much more even and opportunities where more rich and open. It doesn't take a genius to recognize things have sort of become stagnant and change should happen, not giving new players everything on a silver-platter but making it so we have a decent start instead of weeks of grinding just to really enjoy the game. Again I want to reiterate I am not calling for EVE to be scrapped and a new version to be made but when EVE does eventually come to a close as I said all games do it may not be a year from now or even three years but when it does it would be nice for a new version to be made on the current one we have now, as I said I love this game.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 10567	Posted - 2015.07.02 23:23:12 - [23] - Quote Maldiro Selkurk wrote: see recent fps utter failure as example That was funded by outside investors, pretty much a fail example. Try WoD? But at least they had sense enough to shut it down since it would have never been any benefit to WiS as intended, nor ever a working game in itself. In that, WiS would be another example (WoD being it's dieing bastard child) but then a restructuring has taken place since WiS, an end to that nightmare, thus your 'sky is falling' post is in defect.
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 612	Posted - 2015.07.03 08:28:57 - [24] - Quote I don't understand how he can think Eve will shut down and CCP can simply start another one. When Eve diee, CCP dies, Selling the IP is useless, unless someone wants to copy the efforts and start from zero. But that wouldn't happen with current day mechanics! lol at all the new players whp quit after a week, because it's too hard for them... omg i need to redo my picture!
DaReaper Net 7 2282	Posted - 2015.07.03 17:53:02 - [25] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: I don't understand how he can think Eve will shut down and CCP can simply start another one. When Eve diee, CCP dies, Selling the IP is useless, unless someone wants to copy the efforts and start from zero. But that wouldn't happen with current day mechanics! lol at all the new players whp quit after a week, because it's too hard for them... this is what happened when EA bought Westwood. They wanted the Command and Conquer ip. so they closed EnB, but because EA did not give a rats ass about earth and beyond, the released the source code and all lore matireal under the GPL. A bunch of formers players gathered all thsi data, got together and redid EnB. The only way this would happen with eve, is if CCP was closing. It would not be a sell off of the IP it would be a 'thre is nothing we can do, so we are giving away this stuff to the players, as we close.' One of the reasons why i am not that worried about CCP going under, is if they REALLY need money, they can sell the World of Darkness IP or spin off White Wolf as its own company again. Or they could start up the publication part of white wolf to gain some income. They have alot of tools they can use, even pouring money into a world of darkness game (again) as a last ditch effort. I think ccp as a company will be fine, and hoistly this is just theoredical anyway. Valk should provide a crap load of money for ccp, which in turn might push them into other things. My only fear is if they ignore eve completely and let it die, but i just don;t see ccp ever really doing that again. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6776	Posted - 2015.07.03 18:36:10 - [26] - Quote All good things come to an end eventually. But the only thing that is going to kill Eve would be if there is a technological breakout of new ways to play video games that are cheap and common and Eve Online should fail to keep up with those changes. I can hear it already "You still using Quaternion cameras? That's so old school!" VR headsets are probably the future. But there is still much work to be done bringing the weight and cost down and the quality up. Audio will need to catch up as well to ensure that which is being looked at has proper panning (so far so good). If Eve Online becomes "that old third person view game" then I can see a day with it's just old farts from 2003 to 2020 playing it out of nostalgia. It does not look like CCP is sleeping however. I think things will get interesting and this might be one of those games showing the way to the future. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 779	Posted - 2015.07.03 18:56:07 - [27] - Quote Look at screenshots of EvE 2003 ... would you play this game? EvE is ever evolving around it's core, and if the core is not lost, it will evolve further a long time ... I'm my own NPC alt.
Webvan All Kill No Skill 10586	Posted - 2015.07.03 20:04:21 - [28] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: All good things come to an end eventually. But the only thing that is going to kill Eve would be if there is a technological breakout of new ways to play video games that are cheap and common and Eve Online should fail to keep up with those changes. Nothing really on the horizon like that. The latest and greatest next gen thing was "f2p" which was a sham. Just propagated sales hype and now a lot of miserable players that still don't know what they want. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I can hear it already "You still using Quaternion cameras? That's so old school!" VR headsets are probably the future. But there is still much work to be done bringing the weight and cost down and the quality up. Audio will need to catch up as well to ensure that which is being looked at has proper panning (so far so good). If Eve Online becomes "that old third person view game" then I can see a day with it's just old farts from 2003 to 2020 playing it out of nostalgia. meh. I remember we had VR in the 80's, never really caught on. These handheld games, looked like binoculars. Just like 3D movies that every 10 years 'fad' in and then fade back out. Now AR! AR headsets are actually something new, and I can see the potential for incredible application for it, not just games. I don't think M$ is going to capture the first gen though, not into mainstream use, but maybe second gen will do it and maybe by another company.... maybe starts with G. Could be considered first gen if M$ flops out hard though.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6780	Posted - 2015.07.04 01:26:45 - [29] - Quote Webvan wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: All good things come to an end eventually. But the only thing that is going to kill Eve would be if there is a technological breakout of new ways to play video games that are cheap and common and Eve Online should fail to keep up with those changes. Nothing really on the horizon like that. The latest and greatest next gen thing was "f2p" which was a sham. Just propagated sales hype and now a lot of miserable players that still don't know what they want. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I can hear it already "You still using Quaternion cameras? That's so old school!" VR headsets are probably the future. But there is still much work to be done bringing the weight and cost down and the quality up. Audio will need to catch up as well to ensure that which is being looked at has proper panning (so far so good). If Eve Online becomes "that old third person view game" then I can see a day with it's just old farts from 2003 to 2020 playing it out of nostalgia. meh. I remember we had VR in the 80's, never really caught on. These handheld games, looked like binoculars. Just like 3D movies that every 10 years 'fad' in and then fade back out. Now AR! AR headsets are actually something new, and I can see the potential for incredible application for it, not just games. I don't think M$ is going to capture the first gen though, not into mainstream use, but maybe second gen will do it and maybe by another company.... maybe starts with G. Could be considered first gen if M$ flops out hard though. I think a "perfect storm" moment will come for it. It might be M$ or it might not. It'll be at a time when the technology can be: - made cheaply and in good quality(everything seems like it's still prototype phase or buggy production) - an economic upswing where more people have money to spend and are getting tired on their old consoles and PCs - a game that is popular and fully exploits the new tech. Once that happens, it becomes mainstream. For example WoW is credited with being the "big MMO" but anybody in the know could accurately say that it was not the new kid on the block. In the mid 1990s, AOL was credited with being the "thing" that brought internet into the home but the internet had been around roughly 15 years before that time. We'll have to wait and see. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Snaps Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.07.04 18:24:04 - [30] - Quote Jordon Wallace wrote: Hey everyone I have been curious for sometime about the general opinions about this and wanted to get some kind of general consensus from people here. Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually, all games do. So on that note when and if EVE did come to a close would you support the development of a second iteration of EVE following the same lore and being a continuation from this legacy, with a fresh slate mind you and if CCP did not want to develop this would you support another company doing so? I believe EVE is such a unique Universe and game it would be a shame for another iteration to be passed up. With the development of Valkrie and Legion I feel with the new EVE when and if it did happen could integrate both of these into it's universe to make a more rich experience and learning from the mistakes made in this version the original one. I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe, not winging just stating a fact, look at the new player retention rate. So what do you all think? we can always turn eve into mechcommander eve.. i like being into a mech just as much as a ship..

DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 50723	Posted - 2015.07.04 19:21:17 - [31] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Yarda Black wrote: All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over". Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what? Actually it's" if eve was already dead and ccp had another go at it" but the difference is irrelevant , she's still kicking. A mortally wounded animal always bellows and thrashes around (Death Throes) before it dies. Just saying ......... DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Leeluvv Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 31	Posted - 2015.07.04 20:59:04 - [32] - Quote Jordon Wallace wrote: - CCP has the rights to EVE therefore they could in time make a new EVE if they wanted to or sell those rights If you sell the rights and you recreate an identical or similar product, the company you just sold the rights to will sue you.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10599	Posted - 2015.07.04 21:03:58 - [33] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Yarda Black wrote: All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over". Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what? Actually it's" if eve was already dead and ccp had another go at it" but the difference is irrelevant , she's still kicking. A mortally wounded animal always bellows and thrashes around (Death Throes) before it dies. Just saying ......... DMC Except when they don't. Many an animal will seek quiet peace and solitude, just as any one of us would. This is a stupid metaphor. =]\|[=
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 50724	Posted - 2015.07.05 07:21:36 - [34] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Yarda Black wrote: All I read was: "EVE is dying" and "let's start over". Both are denied in the post itself oddly, so it went all wrong somewhere for me. Which also means I probably don't want another server. I mean... eh... what? Actually it's" if eve was already dead and ccp had another go at it" but the difference is irrelevant , she's still kicking. A mortally wounded animal always bellows and thrashes around (Death Throes) before it dies. Just saying ......... DMC Except when they don't. Many an animal will seek quiet peace and solitude, just as any one of us would. This is a stupid metaphor. Heh, the only reason you say it's stupid is because you don't like it. By the way, most entities (animal and human) go through Death Throes. I'm talking about the final actions a body performs just before death. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Xavier Holtzman Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Get Off My Lawn 270	Posted - 2015.07.05 13:14:58 - [35] - Quote Jordon Wallace wrote: Now not going to go on a rant about EVE is dieing or any of that Cool. Thanks. Jordon Wallace wrote: but it's a certainty EVE will die out eventually Jordon Wallace wrote: I got to say as a new player I would be very excited for this to happen at some point as anyone in our shoes knows how frustrating it is being new in this Universe So, you're a "new" player and you're already looking for EVE PART II? My suggestion would be to play the current game, and stop worrying about its future. I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Lulu Lunette Custodes Olim United Systems of Aridia 49	Posted - 2015.07.05 15:32:23 - [36] - Quote Eve is dying? @lunettelulu7


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