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Judace
Keepers of the Abyss
Gentlemen's.Parlor
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Posted - 2015.07.02 00:19:43 -
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Please forgive if something like this has been suggested before, we been talking about practical changes to capitals in comms alot lately and had this idea.
First keep Super Carriers in the spirit of carriers. Fighter/Fighter-Bomber platforms of higher dps then smaller carriers, for capital combat.
But lets add Logistics to them as the smaller carriers have logistics.
NO not capital rep mods and attempting to target ship after ship with an even slower locking ship.
Let them have a Area Effect regenerative pulse around them. Out of Triage weak to moderate pulse( Strength Skill Based ) Range 75 KM to 150 KM in a sphere around the super carrier. ( SIZE of sphere a skill based aspect )
Give the regenerative field a stacking penalty like normal ship modules to keep if from being an overpowered blob effect on a fleet.
It could help counter bombers in a way with that Area effect pulse on the fleet, and give the super carrier some added use and life.
Just an idea, what do you all out there think.
Thank you, fly deadly |
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
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Posted - 2015.07.02 01:32:18 -
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Oh bloody heck, AOE reps would be hilariously over-powered.
Even with stacking. So. Incredibly. OP.
It won't have any effect on the strength of bombers, as a wave of bombs are comparatively an alpha-strike that will burn through off the the EHP of the hapless battleship fleet they're being launched at. The only way for it to not be useless against bombers is by being so strong that it makes every other weapon system useless. |
Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.02 01:41:14 -
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We could call the super-duper capitals.
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.02 02:08:07 -
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Would be fun if they could be nueted by subcaps while their aoe healing spell was active. |
Hal Morsh
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.02 02:38:28 -
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Joey Bags wrote:We could call the super-duper capitals.
Nah, just leave PL a hint, the poor dude flying around in his whatever will be PL'ed to death. Isn't that how it usually goes?
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1239
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Posted - 2015.07.02 02:53:01 -
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I doubt we will see too many AoE mechanics as it is my understanding AoE mechanics are harsh on the server hamsters.
Personally it sounds like an awesome effect to have from a Mom or something in a single player game, but I don't really like it in eve.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
740
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Posted - 2015.07.02 05:36:40 -
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"bring carriers on alts and make sure you have 2 pulses going at all time"
I believe it will be overpowered and is less of an activity
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2015.07.02 05:53:23 -
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Wouldn't it just lead to everyone brawling inside the same blob?
Oh god.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
That Escalated Quickly.
1616
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Posted - 2015.07.02 06:57:53 -
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heh...you played a shadow priest once...heh
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door
We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.07.02 10:55:44 -
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Ewwwww no thanks
Why? Stacking. Imagine 50 super caps on grid.
Good luck countering that!
That's a ridiculous range
How's about they get Capital Hull repair bonus
Pilots of these ships will have a reason to live again, repping mods and hull tankers
Won't even compete with any other existing ship class
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Spurty
Dimension Door
We need wards.
1486
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Posted - 2015.07.02 10:55:44 -
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Ewwwww no thanks
Why? Stacking. Imagine 50 super caps on grid.
Good luck countering that!
That's a ridiculous range
How's about they get Capital Hull repair bonus
Pilots of these ships will have a reason to live again, repping mods and hull tankers
Won't even compete with any other existing ship class
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
1199
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Posted - 2015.07.02 11:51:20 -
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Judace wrote:Please forgive if something like this has been suggested before, we been talking about practical changes to capitals in comms alot lately and had this idea.
First keep Super Carriers in the spirit of carriers. Fighter/Fighter-Bomber platforms of higher dps then smaller carriers, for capital combat.
But lets add Logistics to them as the smaller carriers have logistics.
NO not capital rep mods and attempting to target ship after ship with an even slower locking ship.
Let them have a Area Effect regenerative pulse around them. Out of Triage weak to moderate pulse( Strength Skill Based ) and In Triage moderate to strong pulse........ or instead of a stronger pulse time between pusles faster or slower.
Range 75 KM to 150 KM in a sphere around the super carrier. ( SIZE of sphere a skill based aspect )
Give the regenerative field a stacking penalty like normal ship modules to keep if from being an overpowered blob effect on a fleet.
It could help counter bombers in a way with that Area effect pulse on the fleet, and give the super carrier some added use and life.
Just an idea, what do you all out there think.
Thank you, fly deadly
As an Super pilot myself (Iron Man Aeon  ), I would personally like to see them get less logistics power, not more. The problem these things have is they are just too good in a group, yet helpless lambs ready for the slaughter when caught out on their own. Quite simply, they need to blow up more, and giving them more ability to repair more damage by giving them aoe repair mods (smartreps?) is heading in the wrong direction I feel (if anything, I would argue for more damage with added greater vulnerability).
In essence I feel your idea goes wrong at scale (pretty much the problem the whole Super line suffers), in that on a single ship in a fight, it might make a cool feature, but drop a ball of 10-20 side-by-side and its hideously overpowered and tedious to try to fight against.
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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2015.07.02 12:02:17 -
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So what your saying is you want supers to be basically indestructible...get 10-15 of these in a nice little ball all AOE repping and your not going to do anything to it short of shooting them with titans.... |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2303
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Posted - 2015.07.02 12:36:03 -
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More Logi, especially more Logi on capital ships is exactly what this game needs. CCP why haven't you hired this guy yet? It's exactly the new kind of thinking we need. |
Captain Stupid
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
169
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Posted - 2015.07.02 13:03:50 -
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Where is Doc Fury when you need him?
Features and Ideas Discussion Forum ----> |
Jim Hazard
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.02 13:29:58 -
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While we are throwing out silly Ideas:
Create a new module called: Stasis field generator (can only be fit on supers)
- It creates a stasis field with a 20-30 km radius around the Ship and the ship can not recieve remote repairs while the module is active.
- Slows all targets in range down by 20% - 30%.
- Can not be activate within the range of another Stasis field Generator.
-> Remove RR bonis from Supers
-> add a bonus / level to strength of the Stasis field generator
While not being totally serious about this, at least this would give them a unique role and could completly change the current meta, and should not be to hard to implement, as it should be possible to use the code of bubbles with some minor modifications.
option 2 (less creative option)
Finally get rid of off grid boosting, go back to calling them "Motherships" and turn them into capital command ships.
In such a scenario I would again create new fleet command modules just for capital ships, that remove the ability to recieve any remote repairs while the modules are running.
-> Again remove RR bonus
-> Give bonus to Links / level |
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:41:16 -
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First thought: no.
Second thought: no.
Third thought: no. |
davet517
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:38:49 -
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The best thing they could do with Supers and Titans would be to refund them, and any skill points that are specific to them, and remove them from the game.
TL;DR, they cost too much. If you make them powerful enough to justify their cost, they're an "I Win" button. If you nerf them (or change sov mechanics to make them essentially irrelevant), enough to make them not an "I Win" button, they are not cost-justified.
When they entered the game, they were, and were supposed to be, a rare sight that only the most powerful orgs could field, and then only in limited numbers. CCP underestimated the long term ability of players to grind out the isk and resources to build them.
There is no role that CCP can give them that justifies their cost on the one hand and doesn't imbalance the game on the other. They should do the right thing, admit that their introduction was a mistake, and refund/remove them. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
1203
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Posted - 2015.07.03 15:17:55 -
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Jim Hazard wrote:While we are throwing out silly Ideas:
Create a new module called: Stasis field generator (can only be fit on supers)
- It creates a stasis field with a 20-30 km radius around the ship and the ship can not recieve remote repairs while the module is active.
- Slows all targets in range down by 20% - 30%.
- Can not be activated within the range of another Stasis field generator.
-> Remove RR bonus from supers
-> add a bonus / level to strength of the Stasis field generator
While not being totally serious about this, at least this would give them a unique role and could completly change the current meta, and should not be to hard to implement, as it should be possible to use the code of bubbles with some minor modifications.
Its a little wandering off topic but I've always been massively in favour of more deployable bubbles with different effects - webifier, target painting, tracking disruption, deployable smartbombs, yes your anti-RR field, maybe resistance enhancing "defensive chaff clouds", the sky is the limit. We have very little "terrain" to take advantage of in EvE (and that we do have, gates and stations only serve to create annoying docking and aggression games), and more deployables to allow a group to mould the battlefield mid-fight would be awesome. |
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