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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.07.02 13:19:57 -
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This map of Providence used to have an orange spot in almost every pocket and pipe, quite a few were red.
As you can see, most of Catch is also not being used.
NC. dropped SOV and deployed to Low Sec.
-A- aren't even trying to raise indexes.
PL moved PH out of Catch.
Provi Bloc have tried to raise indexes and already given up, focusing on pockets, across the board indexes are in decline.
Volt is pushing recruitment to try fill up Catch and get those indexes up this year but as you can see, despite that numbers and corporations are dropping.
CVA who absorbed Forth District (the lump you can see in the graph) are advertising all over, including paid for adverts on EVE news sites but they are only managing to remain mostly stable, which is the least to be expected of a solid and old membership.
One exception is GFA who have gained new membership and SOV, so I guess the novelty hasn't worn off yet.
Elemental Tide does not reflect the same enthusiasm over their new SOV as GFA does.
Core has mentioned a few times that, "Fozzie SOV is designed and aimed at making the rest of Null Sec more like Providence" or "Fozzie SOV is modelled on Provi"
... and yet, before it is released, I am hunting for worm holes to High Sec furiously in order to help people, who are moving their stuff out.
The current attitude is, "We will fight Goons and play some Fozzie SOV but long term it looks like a terrible system. So, we are moving stuff to High Sec (banking) and Low Sec (for staging)"
From that, it looks like we are going to let people take the SOV then we will grief them until they leave.
Taking or defending SOV is going to be horrible.
There will be a lot more fight initially until it becomes annoying. Then it will become a bit like AFK cloakies online, with scouts spread out and magic wands being whipped out and waved at the structures when activity is low. Force people to form up, come running and then just cycle down and cloak up again. (... or if intel looks good then just hot drop / blops the defenders).
Over and over, until they give up.
Griefing is the best way forward in the coming system.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
600
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Posted - 2015.07.02 13:40:36 -
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It's called indices. Please!
You're the cutest thing that I ever did seeeeee
I so much want to shake your treeeee
Lovey dovey, lovey dovey, lovey dovey all the time
Ooh wee baby, I sure show you a good tiiiiime
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources
Silent Infinity
97
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Posted - 2015.07.02 13:51:37 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Griefing is the best way forward in the coming system.
So, CCP brings sov null in line with the rest of EVE?
Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
906
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Posted - 2015.07.02 13:56:18 -
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John E Normus
The Conference Elite
CODE.
581
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:08:48 -
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Griefing is not allowed in eve online.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1782
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:12:05 -
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John E Normus wrote:Griefing is not allowed in eve online. Pendant, swop in the euphemism, "trolling" or "roleplaying" or "guerrilla tactics".
What ever thin veil CODE is more comfortable with and use lately.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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John E Normus
The Conference Elite
CODE.
581
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:40:18 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:John E Normus wrote:Griefing is not allowed in eve online. Pendant, swop in the euphemism, "trolling" or "roleplaying" or "guerrilla tactics". What ever thin veil CODE is more comfortable with and use lately.
We prefer "winning."
Please make a note of it.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38614
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:43:55 -
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1823, Earth:
Did you ever hear of Chicken Little, how she disturbed a whole neighbourhood by her foolish alarm?
Well, Chicken Little was running about in a gentlemen's garden, where she had no business to be: she ran under a rose bush, and a leaf fell on her tale: so she was dreadfully frightened and ran away to Hen Pen.
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The sky never did fall in.
YC117, New Eden:
Did you ever hear of Jenshae Chiroptera, how she disturbed a whole Region by her foolish alarm?
Well, Jenshae Chiroptera was running about in Providence...
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The sky may not be falling.
On a more serious note, have you ever stopped to think that your own negativity also affects those around you? That it's possible that you know so many trying to escape doom because you promote the coming soon so actively. You do it here in the forum, so it seems logical that your message would be consistent all around.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1782
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:47:43 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:The sky may not be falling.. 
This thread is here for the wider EVE population and CCP.
There are far, far, more effective ways to scare carebears in Provi.
It is reflected by data.
Did it upset you that I have links this time so you can't go on about one person's perspective ad nauseum?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four
Fidelas Constans
75
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:49:33 -
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Fozzie sov is a terrible idea, but, like with most game companies, they pick up an idea and run with it.
A system where you (corp, alliance, whatever) gains sov through actually living in the system, ratting mining building stuff, pvp etc etc, would have been a better system.
Hell, getting rid of Sov all together is a better system than this. |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1782
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:53:11 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:.. Hell, getting rid of Sov all together is a better system than this. I agree with the intention of Fozzie SOV.
Yes, a system that works on activity in some way is better than having a system defend itself for the most part.
However, the implementation ... the approach ... ugh.
... and there is a more organic way of toppling the huge alliances by empowering others to grow to that size.
Currently, the huge coalitions have crowded everyone out. They have masses of supers and Titans (which can still blob win the grid) and they often destroy any new ones being made. Provi has aborted many baby supers because of this.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38614
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Posted - 2015.07.02 14:53:58 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Did it upset you that I have links this time so you can't go on about one person's perspective ad nauseum?
Yes totally. I'm crying here because Eve is dying.
Actually, I didn't click n any of the links. The message is boring and old. Rehash after rehash of the impending doom.
You might well be right. It's far from a foregone conclusion though and the constant use of the term griefing is ridiculous. People playing the game is not griefing.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1782
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:01:17 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Yes totally. I'm crying here because Eve is dying.. Wrong.
This is saying that Provi people are moving out and doing other things.
Many are moving into worm holes or going to go do High Sec Incursions.
The message is that the people this is modelled on have no faith in it and are adapting in other directions.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11657
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:06:33 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:
Hell, getting rid of Sov all together is a better system than this.
"Sovless Sov" was , according to Fozzie, the other thing on the table against this new sov system. They should have run with that. |
DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
150
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:08:57 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:This is saying that Provi people are moving out and doing other things.
Many are moving into worm holes or going to go do High Sec Incursions.
The message is that the people this is modelled on have no faith in it and are adapting in other directions.
But ...but... I live in Providence... should I be moving out ? EQ told me that when the time comes he will be the 1st yelling EVAC in alliance chat in major letters. Did he lie to us ? Did he already move to a WH ? I think I saw him yesterday in a hauler...
Please enlight me... should I contract my stuff to you already ?
I'm always the last to know these things . 
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:11:51 -
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DeadDuck wrote:Please enlight me... should I contract my stuff to you already ? Evac is reactive.
Proactive people are preparing contingencies.
My PVP ships are in Provi and will stay there, so too will this main character for the foreseeable future. However, I am starting to play an alt more and more.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
741
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:14:01 -
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DeadDuck wrote:I'm always the last to know these things .
That's because you're reading words that aren't there. "All" in this case. Maybe you're missing them in other circumstances?
Just messing with ya. I'm sure you'll be ok :)
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SFR SaFeRa
Alliance of Free Stars
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:15:16 -
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At least in the particular constellation of provo in which I live, we are working hard to raise up indices. Don't know where you're getting your info. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1783
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:17:07 -
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SFR SaFeRa wrote:At least in the particular constellation of provo in which I live, we are working hard to raise up indices. Don't know where you're getting your info. Links in original post.
QBL pocket is doing well. The rest had a surge then declined.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
253
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:34:49 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:
Hell, getting rid of Sov all together is a better system than this.
"Sovless Sov" was , according to Fozzie, the other thing on the table against this new sov system. They should have run with that.
SOV, what is sov?
This should have been the games design in the first place nullsec is supposed to be about contention but instead its one battle a year so CCP can put it in their advertizing and it keeps CCP right where nullsec wants it and that is kissing nullsec's big blue ass.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
150
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:39:41 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SFR SaFeRa wrote:At least in the particular constellation of provo in which I live, we are working hard to raise up indices. Don't know where you're getting your info. Links in original post. QBL pocket is doing well. The rest had a surge then declined. It is a mammoth task that can not be sustained long term by even the most densely populated Null Sec region.
WTF you are talking about ? You don't defend regions with indices you defend them with GUNS. Indices only gives you some advantage. You can have the highest Indices in EVE, you gonna still lose the region if nobody appears to defend it...
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Dersen Lowery
Scanners Live in Vain
1685
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:43:20 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:
Hell, getting rid of Sov all together is a better system than this.
"Sovless Sov" was , according to Fozzie, the other thing on the table against this new sov system. They should have run with that.
I always thought that would be best, but no, people want their little in-game achievements, so here we are.
Jenshae, one of the goals of the new sov is to contract held sov down to what the residents can sustainably live in. You seem to be saying that you don't have enough people to sustainably live in all of Providence, or the indexes would be kept up. Maybe that's the problem? If so, you're just making it worse.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1785
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Posted - 2015.07.02 16:16:07 -
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There are a lot of systems outside of pockets, travel routes and jump bridge systems.
I am whispering into the wind, I know but there is always a little hope that they won't pull the trigger on this.
DeadDuck wrote:WTF you are talking about ? You don't defend regions with indices you defend them with GUNS. Indices only gives you some advantage. You can have the highest Indices in EVE, you gonna still lose the region if nobody appears to defend it... Obviously.
However, if your travel system has 2 military and 5 strategic that is 2.2x multiplier, with Fozzie SOV that buys you 11 minutes before a station service is down and 22 minutes before a structure is done (and then you have a timer that you must form to defend. There will be so many timers all over the region that it will make NC.'s visit look like a fun little holiday.)
So, you divide into small gangs ... and they hot drop a few of them and take one of the systems anyway ...
... or you make a large fleet and some of their gangs take a few systems anyway.
Lose - lose if they have any aptitude.
IF a fleet is pre-formed they might get there in time to disrupt that the first time but all the attackers need do is cycle down, cloak up and entosis another part of the region, with other members of their fleet.
If you rely on the residents of each pocket to defend themselves, then 50% is the best participation that I have seen. 25% alts, 25% "AFK" people.
It is easy to hot drop those people.
The clear primary target is to keep popping the infrastructure hubs; without them, after awhile, you have no indexes and no long timers.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
150
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Posted - 2015.07.02 18:02:45 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:There are a lot of systems outside of pockets, travel routes and jump bridge systems. I am whispering into the wind, I know but there is always a little hope that they won't pull the trigger on this. DeadDuck wrote:WTF you are talking about ? You don't defend regions with indices you defend them with GUNS. Indices only gives you some advantage. You can have the highest Indices in EVE, you gonna still lose the region if nobody appears to defend it... Obviously. However, if your travel system has 2 military and 5 strategic that is 2.2x multiplier, with Fozzie SOV that buys you 11 minutes before a station service is down and 22 minutes before a structure is done (and then you have a timer that you must form to defend. There will be so many timers all over the region that it will make NC.'s visit look like a fun little holiday.) So, you divide into small gangs ... and they hot drop a few of them and take one of the systems anyway ... ... or you make a large fleet and some of their gangs take a few systems anyway. Lose - lose if they have any aptitude. IF a fleet is pre-formed they might get there in time to disrupt that the first time but all the attackers need do is cycle down, cloak up and entosis another part of the region, with other members of their fleet. If you rely on the residents of each pocket to defend themselves, then 50% is the best participation that I have seen. 25% alts, 25% "AFK" people. It is easy to hot drop those people. The clear primary target is to keep popping the infrastructure hubs; without them, after awhile, you have no indexes and no long timers. It probably won't be long before large corps and small alliances are selling iHub popping services to soften an enemy up for a large alliance to then farm for "lulz" NB: This is not reds taking space to live there. This is reds denying space for "lulz". Welcome to Whack-a-cloaky-mole SOV.
You know what is your problem ? You think that you need to form "fleets". You don't. 4-5 guys with a clue on what they are doing will be more then enough to deal with most of the threats.
I know that a lot of guys in Providence think they need 20-30 guys to deal with 10 man gangs but the reallity is that you dont.
A few days ago I was in a gang of 10 fighting 40 NC's. We had 1 logi and we were able to fight them on equal terms. You know why ? Cause we were flying proper ships and the gang FC had a clue on what he was doing.
Funnilly enough while we were fighting NC we saw 2 other Provi fleets way bigger then our gang warping in to the fight to see them completly obliterated by the same NC gang.
This Fozzie sov has the potential to end with the stupid blobing we see today and if there is a slight chance of that happening I'm 100% in favour. |
Catherine Achasse
Patriots and Tyrants
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.07.02 18:03:29 -
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so. its timers online then?
one timer for attack one for defend?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1785
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Posted - 2015.07.02 18:09:28 -
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DeadDuck wrote:You know what is your problem ? You think that you need to form "fleets". You don't. 4-5 guys with a clue on what they are doing will be more then enough to deal with most of the threats.... There is a space for what you describe, called "Low Sec" people are pretty bored there, circling their FW complexes.
Capture the flag FW now becomes capture the flag SOV.
As to "pre-formed" fleet. I use fleet because it is the ubiquitous word.
"Standing fleets" will probably only have 5-10 defenders that will rush over to try stop wand being waved.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1956
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Posted - 2015.07.02 18:19:43 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:DeadDuck wrote:You know what is your problem ? You think that you need to form "fleets". You don't. 4-5 guys with a clue on what they are doing will be more then enough to deal with most of the threats.... There is a space for what you describe, called "Low Sec" people are pretty bored there, circling their FW complexes. Capture the flag FW now becomes capture the flag SOV. As to "pre-formed" fleet. I use fleet because it is the ubiquitous word. "Standing fleets" will probably only have 5-10 defenders that will rush over to try stop wand being waved.
Maybe provi just does not have the required amount of player required to hold a region and a few constellation in the next one? |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1785
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Posted - 2015.07.02 18:27:10 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Maybe Provi just does not have the required amount of player required to hold a region and a few constellation in the next one? Provi definitely has the numbers.
The question to ask is, "How many will undock in a solid composition over and over and over again? Whilst being trolled away from their ISK making activities."
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Cyber SGB
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
73
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Posted - 2015.07.02 19:22:31 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:There is a space for what you describe, called "Low Sec" people are pretty bored there, circling their FW complexes.
I'm not bored with Low Sec at all. Don't bring us Low Sec dwellers into this argument. :D
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
253
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Posted - 2015.07.02 19:33:25 -
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New game mechanic that from my reading is supposed to upset the apple cart in nullsec is doing just that.
Sounds like working as intended to me.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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