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Safron Mista Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:43:00 - [61] Edited by: Safron Mista on 29/11/2006 06:43:24 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Here is me vs a snipe pest at 158km. You do the math. Do you have any test agains another player, the one you show is a ISD play, now you have Perfect SP Chracter and faction mods that can change drasticly the outcome of the testing (estamel's inv field i.e.).... __________________________________________
Safron Mista Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:43:00 - [62] Edited by: Safron Mista on 29/11/2006 06:43:24 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Here is me vs a snipe pest at 158km. You do the math. Do you have any test agains another player, the one you show is a ISD play, now you have Perfect SP Chracter and faction mods that can change drasticly the outcome of the testing (estamel's inv field i.e.).... __________________________________________
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.29 07:43:00 - [63] Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Kaylana Syi The AC tempest at BS 5 is more versatile than a Maelstrom at 5. It still has 2 slots for utility/extra damage. The Maelstrom's only useful setup I found with AC's involved 3 large shield extender IIs and 2 1600mm RT plates. Even the shield boosting Maelstrom can barely handle that setup. As for fleet ships... the Shield Boost bonus is the only thing holding it back... well that and sub par damage. 8 1400mm II w. Tremmor L, 2 SB II 1 Tracking computer II 3 Large Shield Extender IIs 3 Gyro IIs 2 Tracking enhancer IIs Here is me vs a snipe pest at 158km. You do the math. 3 shield extender II's and two 1600mm rt plates? uhm what exatly are you trying to do here? shield tank? armor tank? hp tank? I am lost. if you are trying to hp tank, you are probably better off dropping at least one of those shield extedners for an invuln field. Hp are nothing w/o the resit to back them up. are you an idiot? I have tested them all out. They all suck. This was the one that actually lasted the longest. And fyi... if you are trying to even remotely state that passive tanking armor and shield HP is not effective... I have nothing but lol's for you. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.29 07:43:00 - [64] Originally by: Safron Mista Edited by: Safron Mista on 29/11/2006 06:43:24 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Here is me vs a snipe pest at 158km. You do the math. Do you have any test agains another player, the one you show is a ISD play, now you have Perfect SP Chracter and faction mods that can change drasticly the outcome of the testing (estamel's inv field i.e.).... Considering I have near ISD stats for minmatar ships... your point is? Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Elaron Minmatar Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:37:00 - [65] I have to admit I'm not fond of the Maelstrom, for the following reasons: 1) To take full advantage of the bonuses, you have to fit it with the maximum amount allowed of large projectile turrets and an active shield tank. Any else lessens the efficiency of the ship. 2) High mass limits agility and thus effectiveness as an autocannon ship. 3) Only does a small amount of turret damage more than a Tempest - at battleship 5, Tempest does the equivalent of 10 turrets of damage, while the Maelstrom does 10 2/3 - so for two extra guns, that's less than one turret extra in damage over time. Just counting damage bonus, rather than RoF, the Maelstrom does only half an extra turrets worth of alpha strike. Tempest can completely negate that extra damage by fitting relevant launchers. 4) No optimal bonus. Admittedly, optimal is only seen these days on Minmatar Tech 2 artillery ships, but if this ship was meant to take part in fleet warfare, it's needed. The most successful Revelations-era fits are going to focus on making ships as efficient as possible in their niche. I'm trying to think of what that niche is for a Maelstrom. Elaron It is never too late to correct the mistakes of the past.
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:51:00 - [66] Originally by: Kaylana Syi are you an idiot? I have tested them all out. They all suck. This was the one that actually lasted the longest. And fyi... if you are trying to even remotely state that passive tanking armor and shield HP is not effective... I have nothing but lol's for you. Ah very nice polite response from some dumb*ss, who posts first then thinks. I do believe that at least 1 Invul II will help with shield tanking more then 3rd LSE II. Please do some math before posting utter crap. I suppose the best tanking setup with 3 slots for Maelstrom is 2 invul + 1 LSE. Moreover higher resists increase SB's effect. So sell back your high SP char to the person who actually trained it and start anew, then you will see how it works in Eve.
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:55:00 - [67] Hi, Maelstrom is not an AC ship. Kthxbye.
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:57:00 - [68] Maelstrom rocks... if you can't figure out how to jive with it someone else will be taking your kit home in their cargo... AS IT SHOULD BE!
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.11.29 15:04:00 - [69] Originally by: Alowishus Hi, Maelstrom is not an AC ship. Kthxbye. Yeah, and the problem is that a shield boost bonus isn't exactly great for a Fleet ship, resists and HP are far more useful when you're getting slapped silly by 20 hostiles. (Empty Space - Thinking)
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.29 15:22:00 - [70] Originally by: Twilight Moon resists and HP are far more useful when you're getting slapped silly by 20 hostiles. Nothing is important when you're being slapped silly by 20 hostiles. Except agility if you're not already aligned (and are not warp scrambled). People don't seem to understand this. Tanking = unimportant in fleet combat because ****it, if you're primary you're dead. Unless you can warp out. In small gangs tanking is a bit more important. But if you're gang is well rounded (i.e. if you're the only BS, you have 2-3 damage dealing cruisers and some tackling frigs) then you're going to kill your target before he kills you even if he has a superior tank. In this situation I'd HP/Passive tank, run extenders or plates saving cap for damage dealing (hi, here's where your Abbadon can shine). For solo combat... Well any BS can beat any other BS 1v1, you just need an edge. In some cases it might be tanking (Rohk), in others it might be severe damage (Blasterthron), in others it might be EW (Scorp) or Nos (Domi). Because if you're relying strictly on a tank/damage balance you'll be mediocre at both and die everytime.
Marshmallow McNugget	Posted - 2006.11.29 15:46:00 - [71] What other bonus would you want to have? Somebody's whining about having an armor bonus but that's bull****. We already got Tempest Instead of whining you should try to figure out a fit for it!
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.11.29 15:53:00 - [72] Edited by: DarkElf on 29/11/2006 16:04:19 So the Maelstrom, Abaddon and Hyperion are crap according to these forums. WTF? well at least they've got the balancing right DE
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.29 15:59:00 - [73] Originally by: DarkElf these forums are getting more and more whiney every day. I agree. The people who are whining are usually the ones who suck at Eve. Which, unfortunately, is most people. They put themselves in fantasy situations on SiSi and think it in any way relates to actual PvP. They think just because they fit a 1400/Tach/425 that they have to put on eight tracking computers and use the longest range ammo. They think tanking in fleet combat is worth anything. They never fit three damage mods. They think their cap sucks. They think their tank sucks. They think their damage sucks. They whine about mid slots yet have no idea what to do with their low slots. They think Nos are "tha bombzor" but never have used a Neut. Screw them. Let them whine to eachother. Let them rubut eachother by saying, "you think your race sucks, well mine sucks harder!"
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.29 16:05:00 - [74] 5% per level to large projectile falloff instead of shield boost bonus would be nice. Then make it a bit faster and more agile. Should make a decent AC boat and yields better ranged arty as well. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Silverized Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.29 16:08:00 - [75] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: DarkElf these forums are getting more and more whiney every day. I agree. The people who are whining are usually the ones who suck at Eve. Which, unfortunately, is most people. They put themselves in fantasy situations on SiSi and think it in any way relates to actual PvP. They think just because they fit a 1400/Tach/425 that they have to put on eight tracking computers and use the longest range ammo. They think tanking in fleet combat is worth anything. They never fit three damage mods. They think their cap sucks. They think their tank sucks. They think their damage sucks. They whine about mid slots yet have no idea what to do with their low slots. They think Nos are "tha bombzor" but never have used a Neut. Screw them. Let them whine to eachother. Let them rubut eachother by saying, "you think your race sucks, well mine sucks harder!" QFW You just cant make statments like this after having purely used this ships and setups on SISI. you gotta give em some time on TQ, pvp on SISI are so diffrent form TQ
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.29 16:10:00 - [76] The problem with this ship is that it suffers from a broken sense of minmatar "versatility". The true sense of versatility stems from a ship's slot layout and bonuses that don't force you into a certain path. Instead, this ships bonuses and agility stats favour two distinct and totally different combat styles to the point of being conflicting. Nobody is going to shield tank this when they need every med slot available to compete with the rokh's range in fleets. Also, not many will be tempted to use this as an AC boat in place of the proven tempest, simply because a) it's too slow for that b) you need all your highs fitted with guns to compete with a tempest damage wise and c) i hope you have a hauler alt with cap charges following you cause you won't have the 2 heavy nos the tempest has, unless you want to lower your DPS. The only short range use i can see for this ship is as a bait for the rest of your gang, fully tanked and armed with ACs while your gangamates jump in as soon as you get aggressed and scramble the hostiles.
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.29 16:14:00 - [77] Originally by: DarkElf Ok so now the maelstrom is crap is it? so how do u judge a crap ship? ppl are saying the abaddon is crap, the hyperion is crap. so if they are all crap they they are balanced ok the rokh is supposed to be pretty good but dam these forums are getting more and more whiney every day. And if u think the maelstrom is a pile of rubbish then u need to experiment more with it. DE I'd definately argue that the Maelstrom is crap. For its intended role, which was shield-tanking artillery boat. It's gonna excel as a shield-tanking AC-boat I'm sure. Not that there is much competition in that department, but still. I'll also happily argue that the shield boost bonus as an idea is crap. Caldari originally had it. It was deemed crap. They got the shield resistance bonus instead. Minmatar gets the crap shield boost bonus instead that forces you to fit your ship a certain way. Totally against Minmatar philosophy of being flexible. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
50freefly Caldari Purify	Posted - 2006.11.30 14:56:00 - [78] Originally by: DarkElf Edited by: DarkElf on 29/11/2006 16:04:19 So the Maelstrom, Abaddon and Hyperion are crap according to these forums. WTF? well at least they've got the balancing right DE Of course they suck! And so do the Drake, the Myrmidon, the Harbinger, the Hurricane, and the Rokh! Rokh should be a missile ship, Caldari are missile users!!!111eleven According to these forums every ship in EVE sucks, they all need to be boosted! /sarcasm Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.30 15:54:00 - [79] Originally by: 50freefly According to these forums every ship in EVE sucks, they all need to be boosted! So true. We should listen to all the forum whiners and just make all ships have the agility of pods, go 5000m/s, have 100% resists and have a single slot with which you can fit only one module: the "I win" module. Activation of said module closes the client and sends a hooker over with beer and pizza.

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