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oodin Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.29 08:17:00 - [31] so the alpha strike from a tempest must really hurt like hell now
Arktaos Minmatar The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.11.29 09:01:00 - [32] This just means we use less ammo (YAY!), get a slight better alpha-strike on AC's (YAY!) and we can finally show off big wrecks with our AC's (YAY!). So to sum up the AC changes: YAY! ---------------------------------
Gerraine	Posted - 2006.11.29 09:01:00 - [33] If anything, the alpha from the AC's is gonna hurt nearly as much as one from an arty
Admiral Keyes Minmatar Ooops Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:03:00 - [34] i used to get 1300 wreckers from 1200 scouts that had a 10x damage mod, my 800 scouts have a 6.225x damage mod now so so the wreckers will be several hundred lol yeouch. By my calculations, my 800 scouts would top out at about 800 damage wreckers with my skills. ----------------------------------- HaHaHa! This sig is edit proof! Sadly, it appears so. -Capsicum \o/ I Am Invincible \o/
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:12:00 - [35] hummm my small 200mm "perfect'ed" at 504.3 and i should have about 10% more potential, skillwise \o/ too bad they fiddled with hail ammo a lil ^^
Validus Rackham The Clearwater Society	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:19:00 - [36] Don't forget about this bonus: Originally by: Patch Notes All artillery damage has been increased by 5%.
Happster Polaris Project	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:31:00 - [37] Actually....a 40% reduction in RoF and a increase of dam modefier of 40% is a nerf on dps....
Imhotep Khem Total Mayhem.	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Happster Actually....a 40% reduction in RoF and a increase of dam modefier of 40% is a nerf on dps.... QFT ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle
Tachy	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:42:00 - [39] Remember this is the design team that thinks that 5% more speed equal 25% higher dps as do 25% higher resistances, or that still thinks that a TP bonus is as much worth as the other ECM systems. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:50:00 - [40] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 29/11/2006 12:07:57 Originally by: Imhotep Khem Originally by: Happster Actually....a 40% reduction in RoF and a increase of dam modefier of 40% is a nerf on dps.... QFT WRONG. Your assuming this is like a DPS bonus which has greater effect because it REDUCES the number, here both number have been INCREASED by 40% hence no change. Example: Damage mod of 5x ROF of 2 secs Ammo damage is 22 5 x 22 = 110 110 / 2 = 55 DPS Damage mod of 5x with 40% increase = 7x ROF of 2 secs with 40% increase = 2.8 secs Ammo damage is 22 7 x 22 = 154 154 / 2.8 = 55 DPS Hence NO CHANGE. Shesh ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Nordvargr GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Mila Prestoc WRONG. Your assuming this is like a DPS bonus which has greater effect because it REDUCES the number, here both number have been INCREASED by 40% hence no change. Example: Damage mod of 5x ROF of 2 secs Ammo damage is 22 5 x 22 = 100 100 / 2 = 55 DPS Damage mod of 5x with 40% increase = 7x ROF of 2 secs with 40% increase = 2.8 secs Ammo damage is 22 7 x 22 = 154 154 / 2.8 = 55 DPS Hence NO CHANGE. Shesh I like my math more: 1 / 1 = 1 1.5 / 1.5 = 1 No change in DPS. QED.
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:59:00 - [42] I think because of rounding, the dps on some a/c's got buffed by something like 0.25%. Not exactly mega, but every little helps ! Max --------------------
Natasha Starlight	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Mila Prestoc 5 x 22 = 100 Really?
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Natasha Starlight Originally by: Mila Prestoc 5 x 22 = 100 Really? Typo, pushed zero twice instead of one twice. Fact I also did 100 / 2 = 55 must be to complicated for you to work out... Maths is correct, my typing however sucks ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Gray Carmicheal Wings of Redemption	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:13:00 - [45] \o/ Me likey! ACs are fun to listen to, as well. Ranis by MONSTER
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:04:00 - [46] Edited by: Goumindong on 29/11/2006 14:09:32 Originally by: Mila Prestoc Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Originally by: Mila Prestoc Slowed down the ROF and increase DMG mod. 40% higher DMG mod. 40% slower ROF. 0% DPS difference. That's actaully very wrong. That was from a few days ago on test, has it changed again? No, its just that 40% higher DMG and 40% slower ROF that perfectly ofset your damage mod is actualy a damage increase... Allow me to explain. When firing guns that have reload times the reload time becomes a reduction in DPS. This is because you have to spend some time reloading and not shooting. If you can shoot for 10 seconds then reload and reloading takes about 10 seconds then you lose half of your normal DPS due to reloading. If your ROF decreased by 50%[which are the numbers that went live, not 40%, but it doesnt make much of a difference] then now you can shoot for 15 seconds and reloading in 10 seconds means that you only lose 40% of your DPS. A 20% total DPS boost. Now, the numbers for AC's arent nearly this low, but in another thread where someone was bemoaning the ammo use of AC's i layed it out and will repeat the info here. 1. With Rapid Firing 5 and 2 tech 2 damage mods, 220 autocannons gain about 1.9% DPS due to less need of reloading. Without the damage mods about 1.5% 2. The better your RoF bonus the more you benefit from the change. This means that the rapid firing skill benefits you more by a couple percentage points than it did before the patch. 3. The WORSE the reduction in damage from reloading before Kali the BETTER you do in terms of DPS increase. So 425 autocannons which previously taken a really big hit due to small clip size gain more than the 220 ACs, which could fire longer before reloading. [added later] If you add in the fact that ammo size has been halved so that you can carry twice as much[but not twice as much in your gun], then combine that with the fact that you use 33% less ammo due to the ROF decrease then you come out to being able to sustain combat ops for 2.6 times[+160% or x 2.6] as long as you had previously been able to before Kali came.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Goumindong No, its just that 40% higher DMG and 40% slower ROF that perfectly offset your damage mod is actualy a damage increase... When firing guns that have reload times the reload time becomes a reduction in DPS. This is because you have to spend some time reloading and not shooting. If you can shoot for 10 seconds then reload and reloading takes about 10 seconds then you lose half of your normal DPS due to reloading. If your ROF decreased by 50%[which are the numbers that went live, not 40%, but it doesnt make much of a difference] then now you can shoot for 15 seconds and reloading in 10 seconds means that you only lose 40% of your DPS. A 20% total DPS boost. That's mostly what I figured, but didn't want to point it out too clearly esp. in the generic Tuxford direction so it didn't go the way of the Hurricane. -- Thukkers do
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Goumindong No, its just that 40% higher DMG and 40% slower ROF that perfectly offset your damage mod is actualy a damage increase... When firing guns that have reload times the reload time becomes a reduction in DPS. This is because you have to spend some time reloading and not shooting. If you can shoot for 10 seconds then reload and reloading takes about 10 seconds then you lose half of your normal DPS due to reloading. If your ROF decreased by 50%[which are the numbers that went live, not 40%, but it doesnt make much of a difference] then now you can shoot for 15 seconds and reloading in 10 seconds means that you only lose 40% of your DPS. A 20% total DPS boost. That's mostly what I figured, but didn't want to point it out too clearly esp. in the generic Tuxford direction so it didn't go the way of the Hurricane. TUX!!! LOOKIE HERE!
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Goumindong No, its just that 40% higher DMG and 40% slower ROF that perfectly offset your damage mod is actualy a damage increase... When firing guns that have reload times the reload time becomes a reduction in DPS. This is because you have to spend some time reloading and not shooting. If you can shoot for 10 seconds then reload and reloading takes about 10 seconds then you lose half of your normal DPS due to reloading. If your ROF decreased by 50%[which are the numbers that went live, not 40%, but it doesnt make much of a difference] then now you can shoot for 15 seconds and reloading in 10 seconds means that you only lose 40% of your DPS. A 20% total DPS boost. That's mostly what I figured, but didn't want to point it out too clearly esp. in the generic Tuxford direction so it didn't go the way of the Hurricane. TUX!!! LOOKIE HERE! I'll buy you a beer (with some good sedative in it) if you stop shouting. -- Thukkers do
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Goumindong stuff Indeed. It's more a difference of terms/accuracy I use DPS as the simplest form of damage of dmgdmgmod/rof. I use DOT (damage over time) to include reloads. ------------------------- Originally by:* "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Neocount Marentha	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:57:00 - [51] Bulletin: It is rumored that autocannons may have received a slight, inadvertent buff following recent changes to rate of fire and damage mods. Minmatar sources close to the situation are keeping quiet however, muttering occasionally... "Shhh... HE might be listening."
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.11.29 15:06:00 - [52] Originally by: Smagd That's mostly what I figured, but didn't want to point it out too clearly esp. in the generic Tuxford direction so it didn't go the way of the Hurricane. I assume he knows and just doesnt care. The DPS buff is different for all weapons, ammos, and varying skilled characters. So balancing it is a bit difficult. Anyway, the hurricane issue wasnt with damage, it was with tank.

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