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Commander Nikolas
Gallente
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:50:00 -
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Where is the Drone Damage Mods and Drone Damage Rigs?
No more ECM on them, Better tanks = Lower DPS ships suffer, Longer fights = easier to kill drones.
Ishtar, Domi, Curse, Pilgram... Why not change their bonus if you don't want to treat drones like normal weapons systems?
Ishtar and Domi are already very grid weak... without ECM that is a killer (Ishtar being the worst, it can't even fit any guns).
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.29 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 29/11/2006 14:55:26
dont moan about gallente...really just dont.
you almost imply gallente drone ships are weak, which there not. drone damage doesnt need increasing, its already good enough. use rigs to do summat else, like maybe fit guns or summat.
theres a reason why domi and ishtar have less grid . these 2 ships are arguably the best in their class so leave them alone thanks, youll just get them nerfed.
this post is likely to get flamed esp by jm who i can hear typing already 
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FawKa
Gallente
Old Farts
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:03:00 -
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as a dronemaster yoda I disagree with you.
A domi or an Ishtar is just fine without ECM. You got the power to NOS - so do it.
Damage mods for drones wont come before CCP starts to listen.
They were removed as the Moros got insta BS popper with heavy II drones so I say those drone dmg mods should be highslot modules. A moros wont fit those instead of capital guns huh? Or dont make drone mods but give -99% reduction in CPU to drone controle units to drone specific ships. Domi, vex, ish-tar/kur and those amarr scumbags 
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:03:00 -
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 Originally by: slothe
Edited by: slothe on 29/11/2006 14:55:26
dont moan about gallente...really just dont.
you almost imply gallente drone ships are weak, which there not. drone damage doesnt need increasing, its already good enough. use rigs to do summat else, like maybe fit guns or summat.
theres a reason why domi and ishtar have less grid. these 2 ships are arguably the best in their class so leave them alone thanks, youll just get them nerfed.
this post is likely to get flamed esp by jm who i can hear typing already
Pre-Kali Domi & Ishtar were at the top of their class. If you haven't been on SISI the Drone ships (Esspecially the Ishtar) are hurting.
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maarud
Einherjar Incorporated
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:06:00 -
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Fit 2 tracking disruptors or damps
It'll take them years to either hit your drones or lock them. Hell, fit one of each.
Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member |
FawKa
Gallente
Old Farts
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: FawKa on 29/11/2006 15:09:47
Well, yes.. ECMs was a great way to win a battle - but I am glad this has changed. As the poster above this one said - tracking disruptors! and damps!
He doesnt lose signal, but he wont attack your drones.
: from my point btw - damps all the way.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:11:00 -
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Without the Nos drone ships are worthless tho and Nos is overpowered.
So...
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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maarud
Einherjar Incorporated
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Without the Nos drone ships are worthless tho and Nos is overpowered.
So...
Why? Just because everyone is so used to fighting one way.
Change your point of view. Fit a 20km scram, mwd, damps, nanos
gang setup, drone control units, damps, sensor booster with 3 support fire T2 rails with sniper drones.
Just use your imagination a little and I'm sure you can come up with some very nasty setups that will make people come here and while like there is no tomorrow.
Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member |
Vincent Almasy
Gallente
The Underground
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:37:00 -
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if not using nos then they would try to use nurtilizers ti skill both cap at once but use cap relays and rechargers. so then the other would lose mroe cap a sec then ever before and maybe even use nutrilize drones to speed that up, so then you have no cap in almost no time or your living off cap injector while they switch drones and kill you with offensive drones, while your warp jammed and maybe also webbed
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.11.29 15:39:00 -
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5x t2 heavies already destroy everything, adding damage mods would just make them silly. Dont forget about setnries either.
Its been discussed and decicded that drones are already fairly powerful, that's why you will never see any damage mods for them.
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Centurin
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:26:00 -
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Believe it or not, 5x heavy drone dmg isn't all that great. ECM is what made drone ships great.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: maarud
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Without the Nos drone ships are worthless tho and Nos is overpowered.
So...
Why? Just because everyone is so used to fighting one way.
Because drones don't do enough damage to break a decent tank. I'm told at peak conditions and max skills, 5 heavy Ogres II do 350 raw DPS. Half that for 50% resists and we're looking at 175 DPS which isn't all that much. It needs the nos to break the tank.
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Change your point of view. Fit a 20km scram, mwd, damps, nanos
FYI, Drone ships already fit 20km and MWD, will prolly replace ECM with a Damp to give drones a chance. And nano's? wtf? Yeh, sure on Nanophoon but that also relies on Nos.
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gang setup, drone control units, damps, sensor booster with 3 support fire T2 rails with sniper drones.
Drone Control Units only fit on a carrier.
Sure, you can fit a gang support Domi with rails and sentry drones, but that setup is usually done with a shield tank, injector (or passive) and a full rank of 350's. That doesn't make it a real drone ship tho, since the Mega does the exact same thing better even without the drone bonus.
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Just use your imagination a little and I'm sure you can come up with some very nasty setups that will make people come here and while like there is no tomorrow.
Dude, I've been fitting Dominixes and Mega's for a year and a half and the only Domi setup that isn't outperformed by a similar Mega setup is the close range Nos thing.
Drone ships, which have an excuse for grid and/or turret hardpoints, generally few highslots and a low cap (and forced to use MWD too to get drones into range) are worthless without Nos.
I'd love Nos to be just removed from the game. Heck, I'll even accept that Vexor, Domi, Ishtar and Myrmidon will be completely useless without it. But at the very least get rid of these silly cap wars.
Originally by: "Cy4n1d3"
You can't PVP with 4 mids.
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OldPueblo
Gallente
Defenders of Order
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Posted - 2006.11.29 17:49:00 -
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Don't know if you saw it, but there is a sentry drone rig that boosts sentry damage by quite a bit once trained up. 10% for the the t1 version and 15% for the t2 version. That's quite a damage boost in my opinion unless its not a per level thing. As for the other drones, yeah it'd be nice but guess I need to start fitting guns again. Shouldn't be a problem.
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2006.11.30 07:16:00 -
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The Domi, Curse, Pilgram can fit guns or have the CPU/Grid to play around with ALOT of set-ups.
What about the Ishtar? It dosen't have the CPU or grid to really do much different. It has some of the tightest fitting reqs in game right now.
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