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Bullet Anarchy
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Posted - 2015.07.06 16:28:15 -
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Arrghhh just got my first fac police encounter , went into a 1.0 system and my sec status has reached -2.5
I'm wondering if the response is quicker / more powerful depending on the sec level of the system ?
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.07.06 16:52:33 -
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Yes
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:23:13 -
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1.0 is worse than 0.5 then ?
If for instance you go in there unprepared and have no idea they are going to do that ?
And you think they are talking to someone else when they mention a criminal being on grid
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Freya Sertan
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:43:14 -
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New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
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Posted - 2015.07.06 17:49:23 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:1.0 is worse than 0.5 then ? If for instance you go in there unprepared and have no idea they are going to do that ? And you think they are talking to someone else when they mention a criminal being on grid
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:44:38 -
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Well that is the game mechanics, I can't say I didn't read them because I did. Easy to forget when almost every system doesn't have a problem with -2 to -3. The sec status slowly dropping the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons with no realistic choice but to shoot anyone that enters. Although I think once a player did come into a complex I was in without the intention of killing me. It was a noob in a starter corp, I didn't shoot him, my team mate did though.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:58:21 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons....
If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:59:26 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you.
How does she even maneuver?? 
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:05:05 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you.
I have planets to liberate, why should I get facpo'ed just because some wannabe pirate decides to test their latest fit on some
militia targets.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:11:07 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you. I have planets to liberate, why should I get facpo'ed just because some wannabe pirate decides to test their latest fit on some militia targets.
I was referring to the fact that there are no dungeons in EvE. If you want dungeons...WoW is that way. ----->
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:16:39 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you. I have planets to liberate, why should I get facpo'ed just because some wannabe pirate decides to test their latest fit on some militia targets. I was referring to the fact that there are no dungeons in EvE. If you want dungeons...WoW is that way. ----->
Sorry dude I'm with you on your point about where dungeons should be but you are wrong about where they are
Dungeons this way
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:26:59 -
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Hahaha, evelopedia, I needed a laugh.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:29:19 -
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Relevant.
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:32:16 -
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Also is it possible for me to be credited with inventing the term Tunnel Warfare if no one has used it yet
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:37:26 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you. I have planets to liberate, why should I get facpo'ed just because some wannabe pirate decides to test their latest fit on some militia targets. I was referring to the fact that there are no dungeons in EvE. If you want dungeons...WoW is that way. -----> Sorry dude I'm with you on your point about where dungeons should be but you are wrong about where they are Dungeons this way
I'll let you go with that and retract my previous, but I'd like to point out that the EvE Uni wiki, while seemingly useful, often leads to spectacular fails. I would highly suggest finding a better source for information.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.06 20:46:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:I'll let you go with that and retract my previous, but I'd like to point out that the EvE Uni wiki, while seemingly useful, often leads to spectacular fails. I would highly suggest finding a better source for information.
[pedant]
I must point out that he linked to the official wiki, not the Eve Uni one 
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Posted - 2015.07.06 21:23:18 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you. I have planets to liberate, why should I get facpo'ed just because some wannabe pirate decides to test their latest fit on some militia targets.
Oh god not this argument again.
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 21:54:28 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:
I have planets to liberate, why should I get facpo'ed just because some wannabe pirate decides to test their latest fit on some
militia targets.
Oh god not this argument again.
Never said I had a solution.
Some FW players think that Neutrals should automatically go suspect upon entering a FW plex. I'm not so sure but there is an issue.
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Renegade Heart
Micro N2
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Posted - 2015.07.06 22:19:53 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you. I have planets to liberate, why should I get facpo'ed just because some wannabe pirate decides to test their latest fit on some militia targets.
If they were outlaws you would not be losing sec status for initiating combat with them. SInce the people you are shooting are above -5 like yourself, you will lose sec status for shooting them first, unless they are suspect or something. |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 22:27:27 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:
If they were outlaws you would not be losing sec status for initiating combat with them. SInce the people you are shooting are above -5 like yourself, you will lose sec status for shooting them first, unless they are suspect or something.
True, they are wanabe pirates but they have no business in FW plexes.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.07.06 22:27:38 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:I'll let you go with that and retract my previous, but I'd like to point out that the EvE Uni wiki, while seemingly useful, often leads to spectacular fails. I would highly suggest finding a better source for information. [pedant] I must point out that he linked to the official wiki, not the Eve Uni one [/pedant] The former is so bad that CCP often use the latter
The fail is strong with this one.
Oh wait....
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Renegade Heart
Micro N2
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Posted - 2015.07.06 22:34:51 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:
If they were outlaws you would not be losing sec status for initiating combat with them. SInce the people you are shooting are above -5 like yourself, you will lose sec status for shooting them first, unless they are suspect or something.
True, they are wanabe pirates but they have no business in FW plexes.
So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods! |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 22:39:41 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:
So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods!
I'll sit in a FW plex for 20mins without shooting anyone if you will, you first.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous
The Marmite Collective
1187
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Posted - 2015.07.07 00:57:16 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:
So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods!
I'll sit in a FW plex for 20mins without shooting anyone if you will, you first.
This attitude is what keeps your sec status so high. oh wait...
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.07.07 00:58:27 -
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Consider another wiki page slightly edited too to reflect the real name of the plexs
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 03:25:11 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:
So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods!
I'll sit in a FW plex for 20mins without shooting anyone if you will, you first. This attitude is what keeps your sec status so high. oh wait...
You ever been in a FW complex ?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 03:31:06 -
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Is it like being in a mission runner's privately instanced dungeon?
I've been told I have no business being there either.
Then I take bunch of 'their' things and go wibbling off into the black.
Either that or they shoot me.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 03:59:21 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Is it like being in a mission runner's privately instanced dungeon?
I've been told I have no business being there either.
Then I take bunch of 'their' things and go wibbling off into the black.
Either that or they shoot me.
No they spawn on a timer, there are always at least 4 which are on a respawn cycle of 30 minutes.
The mission sites are different, named things similar to High sec missions but they do appear on overview when they are opened.
FW Complexes/Dungeons have a single NPC which by being alive prevents the enemy from capturing the site.
Mission sites have numerous NPC much like high sec missions.
FW Complexes Appear on overview when they are opened but they are an anomaly so as soon as they spawn they are accessible from probe scanner.
Your business is piracy if you are a neutral entering a FW complex for the purpose of killing the players inside and looting them.
FW Militia do not enter a Complex for that purpose. It is necessary to remove enemy ships from a complex to prevent them from capturing it. If you enter a plex looking for enemy and there are a bunch of pirates in there you can bet 99.9% that they are going to attack if they don't run for it.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 04:01:37 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:
So you take the law into your own hands? Without investigation? Perhaps they do have a valid reason to be there. Without asking first you cannot tell. By shooting them, and losing sec status, it seems that the facpo do not agree with your law enforcement methods!
I'll sit in a FW plex for 20mins without shooting anyone if you will, you first. This attitude is what keeps your sec status so high. oh wait... You ever been in a FW complex ?
Indeed I have. But I don't cry about low sec status when I shoot the bears inside of them (mostly stabbed frigates). I instead utilize the power of my brain to decide when to grind some sec status or pay for tags. If I'm at war with some militia groups so I don't even need to go global to kill them (and that is the only logical reason for me to be there in the first place).
All that aside I was poking fun at your comment about not engaging non flashies and your whining about your low sec status in the same thread
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Bullet Anarchy
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Posted - 2015.07.07 04:30:30 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
All that aside I was poking fun at your comment about not engaging non flashies and your whining about your low sec status in the same thread
Well I'm not suggesting that you should be able to engage non flashys on a gate or a station or a moon or a Jove Observatory or even a mission site.
There is no legal activity on offer for neutrals inside FW plexes.
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.07.07 05:03:56 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
All that aside I was poking fun at your comment about not engaging non flashies and your whining about your low sec status in the same thread
Well I'm not suggesting that you should be able to engage non flashys on a gate or a station or a moon or a Jove Observatory or even a mission site. There is no legal activity on offer for neutrals inside FW plexes.
Baiting pirates?
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Omar Alharazaad
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Posted - 2015.07.07 06:30:08 -
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I'm trying to find some kind of sympathy here in myself.
I'm also kind of failing... as whenever I pew in low sec I get hit with sec status hits even though when I pew in high sec I don't. Seems a bit unfair to the 'pirates' that the militia don't seem to suffer the same penalties normally as they do.
Is this a privilege issue?
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Marlin Spikes
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 09:49:13 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you.
The term "Dungeon" doesn't even belong in Eve. Makes me feel like crying in the shower just knowing that "Dungeons" exists in a space game.
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:19:47 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you. The term "Dungeon" doesn't even belong in Eve. Makes me feel like crying in the shower just knowing that "Dungeons" exists in a space game.
Where else do the amarr keep their slaves?
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:26:51 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Arrghhh just got my first fac police encounter , went into a 1.0 system and my sec status has reached -2.5
I'm wondering if the response is quicker / more powerful depending on the sec level of the system ?
just run like fck in a ceptor and call marmite little b!tches on you're way out
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:37:03 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I'm trying to find some kind of sympathy here in myself.
I'm also kind of failing... as whenever I pew in low sec I get hit with sec status hits even though when I pew in high sec I don't. Seems a bit unfair to the 'pirates' that the militia don't seem to suffer the same penalties normally as they do.
Is this a privilege issue?
They do suffer the same penalties
Militia that do a lot of random fighting tend to have lower sec status than those who stick to the objective but there is no legit area where you don't get covered in pirate dung even if you are not interested in fighting every random ship that comes into system for no reason other than to stop them from killing you.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:49:14 -
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My mistake. I didn't know that the militias actually lost sec status when they engage each other.
Just have heard similar complaints many times in the past and I never really understood why, as I had assumed that PVP was an integral thing with it. It always struck me as odd that it bothered pvp pilots that people were willing to offer them free pvp.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Venom Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:58:23 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:
The term "Dungeon" doesn't even belong in Eve. Makes me feel like crying in the shower just knowing that "Dungeons" exists in a space game.
The term dungeon is ok it is only association with another type of gaming that is offputting, you can get over it a bit like the way you get over the fact that the term stargate is used for things outside of Eve.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Where else do the amarr keep their slaves?
Yep they are there, though I reffer to them as farming Alts , you can identify them because they have an employment history in two opposing militias.
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Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:27:04 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:My mistake. I didn't know that the militias actually lost sec status when they engage each other.
They don't. In FW you are free to attack or being attacked by the opposite side in any area (HS, low) of EVE without lose sec status.
I think that the OP is referring on his behaviour to attack any ship that enter in plexes.
@OP: pirates are there for PVP, you are there for PVP. So where is the problem?
Being in militia doesn't mean that you cannot be attacked by others players outside of FW.
And if you attack them for first, you will lose sec status. Of course. |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:31:36 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:My mistake. I didn't know that the militias actually lost sec status when they engage each other.
Just have heard similar complaints many times in the past and I never really understood why, as I had assumed that PVP was an integral thing with it. It always struck me as odd that it bothered pvp pilots that people were willing to offer them free pvp.
They are in a permanent wardeck with the opposing militias. Other than that they get no privilleges.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:40:18 -
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Alrighty. Consider things from their perspective as well though.
It's low sec space and they've been told by every butthurt carebear EVER to go to low/null if they want pvp.
They do want pvp, so they went.
I understand that you're having your war there, but it doesn't really change the low sec aspect.
For most of them anything that's not blue is a valid target.
I'd consider them an environmental hazard if I were you, don't hate them for it.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Noragen Neirfallas
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The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:06:48 -
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He just doesn't get it. It's like explaining it to a brick wall
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Bullet Anarchy
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:08:19 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Alrighty. Consider things from their perspective as well though.
It's low sec space and they've been told by every butthurt carebear EVER to go to low/null if they want pvp.
They do want pvp, so they went.
I understand that you're having your war there, but it doesn't really change the low sec aspect.
For most of them anything that's not blue is a valid target.
I'd consider them an environmental hazard if I were you, don't hate them for it.
I do see their perspective, why would they be bothered whether or not militia get a sec status hit for shooting them inside a FW complex ?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:14:03 -
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They aren't. Neither are we.
You did this thing to you by doing things to them.
I get preemptive self-defense, it's a thing. It just holds the same consequences for you as it does for them.
Tags, get some and turn them in.
I really don't see the problem here after we've sussed everything out in detail.
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:23:06 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:They aren't. Neither are we.
You did this thing to you by doing things to them.
I get preemptive self-defense, it's a thing. It just holds the same consequences for you as it does for them.
Tags, get some and turn them in.
I really don't see the problem here after we've sussed everything out in detail.
The problem is, I'm in a FW plex fighting legitimate war targets, you are there shooting people for no reason,.
If I shoot you I should get a medal not a sec hit.
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:23:56 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Alrighty. Consider things from their perspective as well though.
It's low sec space and they've been told by every butthurt carebear EVER to go to low/null if they want pvp.
They do want pvp, so they went.
I understand that you're having your war there, but it doesn't really change the low sec aspect.
For most of them anything that's not blue is a valid target.
I'd consider them an environmental hazard if I were you, don't hate them for it. I do see their perspective, why would they be bothered whether or not militia get a sec status hit for shooting them inside a FW complex ?
Did you shoot a non valid lowsec target? By that I mean had more then -5 standing, was not suspect/criminal, did not accept a limited engagement with you, was not a member of your corp if friendly fire is turned on and much more likely was not at war with you? If he was none of these things YOU were the pirate when you shot first HAN
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Bullet Anarchy
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:29:36 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Did you shoot a non valid lowsec target? By that I mean had more then -5 standing, was not suspect/criminal, did not accept a limited engagement with you, was not a member of your corp if friendly fire is turned on and much more likely was not at war with you? If he was none of these things YOU were the pirate when you shot first HAN
Yes that is how it currently works, you can enter a FW site and position your pirate ships at exactly your optimum range from me and if I shoot anyone with less than -5 sec status while they are doing that then I get a sec hit.
I stick by my original comment on the matter, this mechanic is flawed.
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:33:21 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Did you shoot a non valid lowsec target? By that I mean had more then -5 standing, was not suspect/criminal, did not accept a limited engagement with you, was not a member of your corp if friendly fire is turned on and much more likely was not at war with you? If he was none of these things YOU were the pirate when you shot first HAN
Yes that is how it currently works, you can enter a FW site and position your pirate ships at exactly your optimum range from me and if I shoot anyone with less than -5 sec status while they are doing that then I get a sec hit. I stick by my original comment on the matter, this mechanic is flawed.
I think you would do better in nullsec it may suit your play style better you don't seem to grasp that lowsec is not lawless it's just highsec without concord and fac police running riot
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Omar Alharazaad
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:33:58 -
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Alrighty, got it.
I'mma put this all simple like.
You are not a special snowflake because you are in FW.
You suffer the same consequences as anyone else in low sec for doing low sec things to other low sec people.
No medals.
Just because your war is sanctioned does not mean it is exempt from looters, bandits and raiders.
Just like any other war ever anywhere.
Taking matters into your own hands justifiably results in the same consequences it does for anyone else, and no... the pirates and pvpers are not going to respect your boundaries.
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Noragen Neirfallas
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:38:10 -
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Wait guys I have to solution. We should place concord inside FW plexes. BAM problem solved
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:41:02 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Alrighty, got it.
I'mma put this all simple like.
You are not a special snowflake because you are in FW.
You suffer the same consequences as anyone else in low sec for doing low sec things to other low sec people.
No medals.
Just because your war is sanctioned does not mean it is exempt from looters, bandits and raiders.
Just like any other war ever anywhere.
Taking matters into your own hands justifiably results in the same consequences it does for anyone else, and no... the pirates and pvpers are not going to respect your boundaries.
You're entitled to your opinion snowflake
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:46:41 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Alrighty, got it.
I'mma put this all simple like.
You are not a special snowflake because you are in FW.
You suffer the same consequences as anyone else in low sec for doing low sec things to other low sec people.
No medals.
Just because your war is sanctioned does not mean it is exempt from looters, bandits and raiders.
Just like any other war ever anywhere.
Taking matters into your own hands justifiably results in the same consequences it does for anyone else, and no... the pirates and pvpers are not going to respect your boundaries. You're entitled to your opinion snowflake
It's not an opinion it's a fact...
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:49:00 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Yes that is how it currently works, you can enter a FW site and position your pirate ships at exactly your optimum range from me and if I shoot anyone with less than -5 sec status while they are doing that then I get a sec hit.
I stick by my original comment on the matter, this mechanic is flawed.
It is not flawed.
The FW plexes come in 3 different sizes of ships that are allowed to get in.
As the "pirate" enter and positione himself, you can do the same: keep moving in your better position.
As him start to target you, do the same.
If he open fire, you will have your fight with no loss of sec status.
If the "pirate" is not alone (do you watch on D-scan while you are in the plex right?) or he is in a ship that you judge better than yours you have the work to be situational awareness and keep your decisions about fight or run.
Many different is the situation where a militian is only "farming" the plex and pretend to / don't want interferences from outside. But it is not how FW is intended to work. Or Eve itself.
When you joining FW you should expect interferences all the time. Oh well, all the times you undock, FW or not, HS or not you have to expect the possibility to have "interferences". It is how EVE works. |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:57:55 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Yes that is how it currently works, you can enter a FW site and position your pirate ships at exactly your optimum range from me and if I shoot anyone with less than -5 sec status while they are doing that then I get a sec hit.
I stick by my original comment on the matter, this mechanic is flawed.
It is not flawed. The FW plexes come in 3 different sizes of ships that are allowed to get in. As the "pirate" enter and positione himself, you can do the same: keep moving in your better position. As him start to target you, do the same. If he open fire, you will have your fight with no loss of sec status. If the "pirate" is not alone (do you watch on D-scan while you are in the plex right?) or he is in a ship that you judge better than yours you have the work to be situational awareness and keep your decisions about fight or run. Many different is the situation where a militian is only "farming" the plex and pretend to / don't want interferences from outside. But it is not how FW is intended to work. Or Eve itself. When you joining FW you should expect interferences all the time. Oh well, all the times you undock, FW or not, HS or not you have to expect the possibility to have "interferences". It is how EVE works.
Why would I want to fight him ?
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:05:01 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:07:03 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy.
or troll in local, always troll in local
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:10:01 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy.
It's a FW plex we are meant to stay there to keep the enemy out.
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:22:04 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy. It's a FW plex we are meant to stay there to keep the enemy out.
My suggestion is that you send your thought directly to CCP.
We can't help you more here, after explain you how EVE works.
Hint: even miners in HS knows that mine an asteroid is not ONLY mean to be there to mine with no interferences. |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:34:30 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:
My suggestion is that you send your thought directly to CCP.
We can't help you more here, after explain you how EVE works.
Hint: even miners in HS knows that mine an asteroid is not ONLY mean to be there to mine with no interferences.
I don't mind them hindering, I just don't like being low sec status for shooting them and now it has cost me a ship for the first time.
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:41:22 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:I just don't like being low sec status for shooting them
Better forum where expose your point of view as it regards a possible modification of EVE mechanics:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270 |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:55:33 -
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Tepijo I'm starting to like you.
Regardless of this, when the C&P mining OP does form our skiffs shall blot out the sun.
And then we shall mine in the shade.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:03:48 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Tepijo I'm starting to like you.
That's bad 
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Regardless of this, when the C&P mining OP does form our skiffs shall blot out the sun.
And then we shall mine in the shade.
That's better |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:27:52 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:
I don't have a modification to suggest, making them go suspect on entering the plex is tippng the balance in the other direction because suspect flags affect things other than whether or not you get a sec status hit.
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Renegade Heart
Micro N2
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:24:31 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote: I don't have a modification to suggest, making them go suspect on entering the plex is tippng the balance in the other direction because suspect flags affect things other than whether or not you get a sec status hit.
Turn all FW systems into null sec space, then you don't need to worry about sec loss! |
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:38:21 -
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A militia pilot is patrolling a FW complex in a warzone. It is his responsibility to pick his targets properly. If he purposely shoots at a civilian he has committed a crime and there are repercussions to that. Assuming the civilian is an aggressor is no excuse. You shoot first, you take a sec hit.
OR
A militia pilot is patrolling a FW complex in a warzone. The FW complex is specifically designed as a battleground. Anyone entering the complex is entering a battleground and accepts the risk of being shot down as a potential hostile. It is not the responsibility of the militia pilot to put himself at a disadvantage in order to determine the intent of a neutral pilot in a battleground.
From the perspective of game balance, is one of these correct and the other incorrect? Are there objective values you could apply here to determine which one is the better? Please feel free to make the argument, but I'm not seeing it. Some things are subjective. There isn't always a right and wrong. I view these as two different ways to approach the same issue. Neither more right or wrong than the other, just different.
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Daerrol
Death By Design
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:38:58 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy. It's a FW plex we are meant to stay there to keep the enemy out.
You spent all this time explaining how a pirat is NOT the enemy. Secondly if "He" is establishing perfect range before engaging, then why don't you, ya know, turn on your afterburner and go to your optimal range. Several times I've MWD's my vengeance to face hugger range when Eve U comes in to play since they cannot shoot first. |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 17:10:27 -
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Daerrol wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy. It's a FW plex we are meant to stay there to keep the enemy out. You spent all this time explaining how a pirat is NOT the enemy. Secondly if "He" is establishing perfect range before engaging, then why don't you, ya know, turn on your afterburner and go to your optimal range. Several times I've MWD's my vengeance to face hugger range when Eve U comes in to play since they cannot shoot first.
Well it doesn't work like that in practice.
It is more
Group A Militia in FW Plex sees Group B Pirates Enter System in Local
Group A Sees Group B in close proximity of the acceleration gate on Dscan
Group B also knows Group A are inside a FW Complex through using DS
Group B Enters the plex OK Coral fast draw wild west occurs.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.07 19:53:15 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Yes that is how it currently works, you can enter a FW site and position your pirate ships at exactly your optimum range from me and if I shoot anyone with less than -5 sec status while they are doing that then I get a sec hit.
I stick by my original comment on the matter, this mechanic is flawed.
It is not flawed. The FW plexes come in 3 different sizes of ships that are allowed to get in. As the "pirate" enter and positione himself, you can do the same: keep moving in your better position. As him start to target you, do the same. If he open fire, you will have your fight with no loss of sec status. If the "pirate" is not alone (do you watch on D-scan while you are in the plex right?) or he is in a ship that you judge better than yours you have the work to be situational awareness and keep your decisions about fight or run. Many different is the situation where a militian is only "farming" the plex and pretend to / don't want interferences from outside. But it is not how FW is intended to work. Or Eve itself. When you joining FW you should expect interferences all the time. Oh well, all the times you undock, FW or not, HS or not you have to expect the possibility to have "interferences". It is how EVE works.
Except that you can never afford to let your opponent dictate the start of the fight unless you are in a ship that they flat out should not be engaging. This is especially bad if you are in a brawl ship as they can just move to an appropriate kiting range before opening fire.
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
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Posted - 2015.07.07 20:27:32 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Except that you can never afford to let your opponent dictate the start of the fight unless you are in a ship that they flat out should not be engaging. This is especially bad if you are in a brawl ship as they can just move to an appropriate kiting range before opening fire.
You are right, who dictate the range usually has a good opportunities to win the match. That's the reason I have wrote "keep moving in your better position".
Few months in null have teached me some lessons, the basic are as follow:
- check local, stretch it in a confortable position on the screen and make sure it is always visible.
- open system map and figure out the System, where are gates, where celestials.
- if any in local, check pilot and corp, his status, his kills
- if any in local, check D-scan routinely, you have to know where he is and which ship he has and where he is going. Is him a dweller? A tourist? A killer? An hauler?
- if any in local, dont do stupid things. Brain is your friend.
Why FW in lowsec should be different? Moreover in FW you have the intel channel too, that show spikes, gate camps, roaming pirates and so on. And after some days in FW you usually know who is around.
If he acquire his better range is your fault, he can only enter on the beacon through the acceleration gate, you know where is the beacon and you should know if he is coming and you surely know where a "guest" will land.
Sure this mean that you have to stop the timer if you are willing to fight, but it is more relevant the timer or the right range for your chanches?
To "brawl range" him or to "kiting range" him is not necessary that the first shot has been fired. The fight start well before that. Usually it start when he pop up in local. |
Venom Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 21:48:02 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:
Why FW in lowsec should be different? Moreover in FW you have the intel channel too, that show spikes, gate camps, roaming pirates and so on. And after some days in FW you usually know who is around.
If he acquire his better range is your fault, he can only enter on the beacon through the acceleration gate, you know where is the beacon and you should know if he is coming and you surely know where a "guest" will land.
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It is different because you don't get a sec status hit in null sec ?
No way in a month of Sundays is an unidentified potential threat going to land on grid in a FW plex and the ships inside are going to just move around without shooting it.
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 22:00:35 -
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It's like saying a man with a load of explosives strapped to him can run into an army camp but if they shoot him before he explodes they get done for murder.
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
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Posted - 2015.07.07 22:22:31 -
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Venom Anarchy wrote:Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:
Why FW in lowsec should be different? Moreover in FW you have the intel channel too, that show spikes, gate camps, roaming pirates and so on. And after some days in FW you usually know who is around.
If he acquire his better range is your fault, he can only enter on the beacon through the acceleration gate, you know where is the beacon and you should know if he is coming and you surely know where a "guest" will land.
.
It is different because you don't get a sec status hit in null sec ? No way in a month of Sundays is an unidentified potential threat going to land on grid in a FW plex and the ships inside are going to just move around without shooting it.
@bullet anarchy too:
EVE is a "decision game".
Within the mechanics you can choose:
- to leave the plex
- to wait at your range that he shot first
- to shoot first and lose sec status
If you don't like the mechanics you can talk with CCP and explain them better.
I can agree with you, or disagree with you, but who care? The mechanics rule the game.
I think that even my neighbour on the other side of the street has understood that you don't like the mechanics.
(and he has told me in private that he don't care too. But he is a fuk*ng insensible bastard, he is not like this little noob sweety girl that keep explaining you).
In any game there are rules and there are workarounds. The workaround in this case is keep the better conditions to win the fight and let him shoot first. If he leave you "win" anyway.
If you don't like the rules, you have another option too: don't play the game.
But frankly, and I am telling you not in sarcastic mode, but in honest and friendly mode, you simply start to boring repeating that you dont like the way the game is made.
I've told you, send your requests to CCP, it is a software hose famous to hear his clients. Who knows?
After some reading it look like: "I don't like the game. But I want to play. But I don't like it. But I keep playing. But I don't like it."
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 22:55:42 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:
In any game there are rules and there are workarounds. The workaround in this case is keep the better conditions to win the fight and let him shoot first. If he leave you "win" anyway.
I don't mind shooting them and losing sec status but I think it is too compulsory to lose sec status to complete the FW objectives.
This game funnels career paths too much. Everyone becomes a pirate arms dealer eventually.
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Venom Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 23:02:54 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:
This game funnels career paths too much. Everyone becomes a pirate arms dealer eventually.
I doubt her neighbour cares about that either
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
490
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:03:17 -
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Daerrol wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:
Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy. It's a FW plex we are meant to stay there to keep the enemy out. You spent all this time explaining how a pirat is NOT the enemy. Secondly if "He" is establishing perfect range before engaging, then why don't you, ya know, turn on your afterburner and go to your optimal range. Several times I've MWD's my vengeance to face hugger range when Eve U comes in to play since they cannot shoot first.
The only way to establish optimal range control in a brawl/scram kite fit is to web/scram the target as soon as he drops warp invuln.
The issue of sec status loss for shooting neutrals inside plexes is a separate and larger issue. I just wanted to point out that in many situations one has to aggress immediately to have a chance at victory.
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:53:41 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The issue of sec status loss for shooting neutrals inside plexes is a separate and larger issue. I just wanted to point out that in many situations one has to aggress immediately to have a chance at victory.
Exactly , the reality is everyone ignores the sec penalty and shoots anyway but quite a few will not shoot pods if they are going to get the sec status hit for it because the penalty is much higher and at the end of the day a pod is limited threat.
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.10 16:10:46 -
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Simple fact is , I didn't join factional warfare to do criminal activities. I don't like having to do them to be in factional warfare.
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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
227
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:22:43 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The issue of sec status loss for shooting neutrals inside plexes is a separate and larger issue. I just wanted to point out that in many situations one has to aggress immediately to have a chance at victory.
Exactly , the reality is everyone ignores the sec penalty and shoots anyway but quite a few will not shoot pods if they are going to get the sec status hit for it because the penalty is much higher and at the end of the day a pod is limited threat.
Pods are the worst threat. In wormholes they warp off to forcefields to reship. In HiSec they gila your cynabal and wardec mostly afk corps for months due to shouldve had won'ed. In lowsec and nullsec titans need pods to move around and fire doomsdays and bridge people. Pods are the number one threat. Never not shoot the pod. Ever.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:18:20 -
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OP, just use an alt in dealing hisec activities just like the rest of us.
imho, the bigger issue with this is that, militia pilots (that acquired negative status while fighting neuts inside plexes) can feel the disadvantage when fighting on gates and stations against neutrals.
anyhow, the fix to this is coming, Groski mentioned it in slack tweetfleet and reddit.
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