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Epikurus The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 77	Posted - 2015.07.07 14:32:52 - [1] - Quote The following is a sketch of the battle from the CalMil perspective, focussing on territorial control. I'll be looking to work up a fuller report in collaboration with Veratrix in the coming days. Things looked pretty bleak for BLOC's forward base in Kehjari on Friday afternoon. After some light plexing in the EU tz on Thursday, a concerted effort had been made by pilots from Spaceship Bebop to push the system up starting immediately after BLOCGÇÖs main US stregth had logged off c. 0300 eve time. With little BLOC presence that day in AU tz the contested level nudged up to 50% shortly after downtime. Unfortunately for the defenders the entire Bloc FC cadre, across all timezones, and 80% of our officers and directors, were completely unavailable for the next 24 hours due to personal, family and work commitments. It was only the full and immediate deployment of FCs from the broader CalMil coalition, along with pilots from all coalition groups, that allowed a desperate battle to be fought to slow down the Gallente onslaught during these first, dark 24 hours and prevent the system being flipped on the first day. As we built numbers and added FCs over Saturday, scraping some territorial control back in the AU tz, it started to look as if we might be able to blunt the momentum of the Gallente attack. Critical to that effort was the actions of the US timezone pilots, who fought outnumbered on Friday, Saturday and Sunday and were able to keep up their morale and fighting spirit even when called upon to sacrifice fleet after fleet against a dominant enemy force just to try to slow them down. Those efforts were ultimately worth it. Gallente system control peaked in the US tz on Saturday at 87% and their ability to hold onto a 20 man fleet right up until down time, keeping the system roughly steady in early AU, was daunting. However, that was the high water mark for the enemy assault. The Gallente had pushed system control up to 78% by downtime the day before but had hung only 9% in the subsequent 24 hours. The battle entered its decisive phase on Sunday with Caldari forces pushing the system down throughout the EU afternoon and then continuing the momentum through EU prime, not just holding but winning in this timezone for the first time during the weekend. US tz showed the same pattern as previously, with huge Gallante numerical dominance (in the 3:2 to 2:1 range) but at the end of the US tz system control had been pushed up only as far as 85%. GalMil had failed to secure any progress over the previous day and going into the AU tz their exhaustion started to tell, with their numbers declining sharply from those fielded the previous day. By downtime the control level was down to 75%, marking a 12% Gallente loss over the previous 24 hours and the CalMil late AU/early EU maintained complete dominance in the post-DT period, logging a 20 man fleet back into game within seconds of downtime finishing. As another 10% was taken off the system over the next three hours it became clear that the exhausted Gallente forces were spent, many of them having begun their plexing efforts 36 hours before their Caldari counterparts. The battlefield was conceded at c. 1700 eve time on Monday, with jubilant CalMil forces engaging in friendly local chats with an enemy who were battered and beaten but not broken. Good fights were had by all and there are many stories to tell about the battle besides the territorial control tale sketched above. The concentrated intensity of the fighting was unsurpassed, with somewhere between 2500 and 3000 kills being wracked up over 3 days, peaking at over 1500 in a 24 hour period, making Kehjari not just the most violent system in the game but more violent than the whole of Fountain, the nullsec region with the most kills at the time. If anyone has any interesting stories or anecdotes about the battle, please let me have them so I can work them in to a fuller battle report with a bit more colour.
Syrilian Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 113	Posted - 2015.07.07 15:16:26 - [2] - Quote Stories like these are one of the reasons I love EVE.
Thanatos Marathon Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 482	Posted - 2015.07.07 15:27:46 - [3] - Quote lulz incursion.
Arla Sarain 539	Posted - 2015.07.07 15:47:57 - [4] - Quote Thanatos Marathon wrote: lulz incursion. Hard mode activated
ALUCARD 1208 Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop 414	Posted - 2015.07.07 18:32:40 - [5] - Quote gals didnt run outa steam was incursion that ****** our supply chain damn ccpzzzzzzzz y u troll us so hard BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Nameira Vanis-Tor Angry Mustellid The Periphery 217	Posted - 2015.07.07 19:31:38 - [6] - Quote Sounds like fun. Enjoy it whilst you can though, I keep hearing the rumours that Brave will join one of the militias. Whichever militia is on the receiving end of that increase in WTs is not likely to win a plex war very often. I bet their killboards will be very green though! Was it just a Bebop operation or a wider push?
Veratrix Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 24	Posted - 2015.07.07 19:43:17 - [7] - Quote Eh well. We certainly did not constrain it to just just bebop. We got a lot of support from GMVA, and a smattering of support from other groups, although fleets were open to all militia entities and ceo's were notified well in advance.
Epikurus The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 82	Posted - 2015.07.07 19:51:13 - [8] - Quote Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote: Was it just a Bebop operation or a wider push? The core force on the Gal side was Bebop with GMVA support and on the Cal side the core was BLOC, HECON and Templis. Both sides were also boosted by smaller numbers from other outfits. Numbers were extremely closely balanced. Using the active PvPer metric on Zkill Bebop and GMVA have 230 together (805 on the books) while BLOC, HECON and Templis together have 216 (786 on the books).
Veratrix Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 24	Posted - 2015.07.07 21:05:13 - [9] - Quote If you add up active pilots in last 7 days on zkill it's: Galmil BEBOP: 126 GMVA: 108 Total: 234 Calmil BLOC: 108 Heiion: 50 Templis: 58 Total: 216 I would say we had maybe 60-70% of the Galmil number participate in kehjari at some point with an added 5-8 people from other groups join in over the course of it. Our biggest fleet number was 47 that I can remember. Just some fun stats to chew on.
Veratrix Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 24	Posted - 2015.07.07 21:11:26 - [10] - Quote Didn't see that you posted like the same thing haha
George Gouillot Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 67	Posted - 2015.07.08 13:17:09 - [11] - Quote ... Incursion ... Nah, actually this would have been in our favor in the long run with a much higher kill/loss ratio and considerably easier supply lines (take a look at the map). I do not want to downtalk this victory for CalMil, but the only reason we did not take the system was a general lack of dedication and effort. No fingerpointing, some of our people did scarifice a lot of time/ money /sleep - there had been just not enough of them. I personally think it is absolutely acceptable that one wants to have fun in a game without putting to much effort in, he should be just aware that usually effortless insta-fun and accomplishment of (longer-term) goals do not work together very well. GF, CalMil - you have been definitely more dedicated and fully deserved this victory for this reason.
Julius Foederatus Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop 258	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:42:18 - [12] - Quote To be fair, it was 4th of July weekend, a lot of people had things to do out of game, so it makes sense that we wouldn't have as many people available to push the system.
Roy Henry Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 41	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:58:54 - [13] - Quote Gf cal mil another victory not at the hands of the incursion or defeat in combat but gal mils inability to focus on anything but small interesting fights and not long term operations or goals. Wonder what would happen if you guys worked together on the offense as well as you do on defense and started snatching out of the way constellations. Guess I will find out when blfox joins cal mil
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 512	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:59:16 - [14] - Quote Julius Foederatus wrote: To be fair, it was 4th of July weekend, a lot of people had things to do out of game, so it makes sense that we wouldn't have as many people available to push the system. Which works both ways. Calmil is not without a US timezone. So really it was a successful defense for Calmil. This actually makes me quite happy. Id rather fight a stronger Calmil than have to fight hot dropping pies. System plex pushes and the fights between two militias that they bring, are what FW should be. Thanks Calmil for reawakening. It was rather boring without you fighting. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
Epikurus The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 83	Posted - 2015.07.08 15:41:05 - [15] - Quote Deacon Abox wrote: Julius Foederatus wrote: To be fair, it was 4th of July weekend, a lot of people had things to do out of game, so it makes sense that we wouldn't have as many people available to push the system. Which works both ways. Calmil is not without a US timezone. So really it was a successful defense for Calmil. Indeed. If anything, the manpower/holiday issue was strongly in GalMil's favour. From Thursday afternoon BLOC's FC and officer corp started signing out for scheduled RL commitments over Friday and the weekend. When I logged in after DT on Friday I knew that almost every FC in the alliance was on a break for at least another 24 hours. The three whose real life schedules I didn't know were all contacted over the next couple of hours and I found out that they all also had work or family commitments until Saturday afternoon. I had my own commitments and, although I could sneak into the game for an hour here or there, I couldn't get on comms without risking divorce. I had to field promote some pilots so we would have at least some people online who had hangar access and when I logged off after a couple of hours of diplo work calling in our allies I was leaving the whole alliance in the hands of some slightly bewildered individuals who had just had a lot of responsibility thrust upon them unasked. Over the next 24 hours we sporadically managed to have a single officer or director online, with people nipping away from family functions or logging in at work, but circumstances didn't allow any of them to FC. In addition, since there were no fleets scheduled for Friday, and not much at all planned for the weekend, our logged in numbers were much lower than normal on Friday (probably 30-40% down) and smaller than normal in some time-zones throughout the fight. Given that BLOC was the local alliance, and is also the biggest alliance in the militia, these facts conspired to give GalMil a massive bonus at the start of the campaign. When our guys started filtering back on Saturday afternoon the defence strengthened considerably but had we had these numbers, or some FCs or officers to rally the troops, on Friday GalMil would not have got anywhere near the contested level it achieved on the first day. So I think, on balance, that the lack of pilots committed to the fight was a much bigger problem for us than for our opponents. There was a positive side, though, in that when our guys did come back on Saturday and Sunday (I didn't settle properly into comms myself until Sunday EU prime time) they were fresh whereas the Gal pilots who had been involved since the push began on Thursday night had already been at it for 36 hours.
Master Sergeant MacRobert Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 207	Posted - 2015.07.08 16:04:13 - [16] - Quote Epikurus wrote: Nice report Thanks for a good read about the other WZ. "Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
Yuri Antollare Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 119	Posted - 2015.07.10 04:19:23 - [17] - Quote BEEBOP/GMVA + friends: 203 Calmill: 275 Neutrals: 335 Total numbers that participated, Calmill is possible - 14 from that as I still have to sort those individuals between neutrals or Calmill. 10.2 bill lost for Galmill, 14.7 ish bill for Calmill (totals excluding pods.) 635 ships lost for Galmill, 1154 ships lost for Calmill. Not reflected, total length of new neckbeard grown, was pretty humerous seeing 40 squids either side of DT, I never knew so many squids were australian!
Epikurus The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 85	Posted - 2015.07.10 12:24:41 - [18] - Quote Yuri Antollare wrote: BEEBOP/GMVA + friends: 203 Calmill: 275 Neutrals: 335 Total numbers that participated, Calmill is possible - 14 from that as I still have to sort those individuals between neutrals or Calmill. 10.2 bill lost for Galmill, 14.7 ish bill for Calmill (totals excluding pods.) 635 ships lost for Galmill, 1154 ships lost for Calmill. Not reflected, total length of new neckbeard grown, was pretty humerous seeing 40 squids either side of DT, I never knew so many squids were australian! What's the source on those numbers? If you managed to get the BR site working again can I have the link? At first glance the kill numbers don't look terribly reliable as there were around 2700 kills in Kehjari over the period of the battle and it would be rather surprising if there were 1000 dead neuts. Quote: was pretty humerous seeing 40 squids either side of DT I was in fleet pre and post downtime on Saturday and Monday and the numbers were in the high teens / low twenties. The only time-zone we had 40 or more in fleet for on any day was EU prime.
Epikurus The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 85	Posted - 2015.07.10 12:45:02 - [19] - Quote Battle Report That's the best one I can get but it is definitely missing a large number of kills (just count the pages for Kehjari on Zkill to see how many). NUMBERS GalMil: 194 CalMil: 212 (including the 14 man Pestilent gate camp which turned up for an hour but didn't get involved in the plexes) LOSSES (based on the Ship Class summary page) GalMil: 630 ships / 11.11 bil CalMil: 1104 ships / 11.55 bil NEUTS 251 pilots, 125 ships lost worth 5.29 bil If this is representative then in terms of numbers and isk lost the fight was extremely finely balanced, albeit with a larger number of cheaper Caldari ships destroyed.
Veskrashen Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 871	Posted - 2015.07.10 13:10:03 - [20] - Quote Epikurus wrote: If this is representative then in terms of numbers and isk lost the fight was extremely finely balanced, albeit with a larger number of cheaper Caldari ships destroyed. Yup, good fites all around. Really disappointed we weren't able to push more and harder, but logistics was definitely an issue (running invasions out of a POS is much harder, and Incursion definitely didn't help). Well done on camping the hell out of the Maroh-Kehjari gate, definitely made it more difficult to get reships into system. I was a bit surprised to see Caldari running Tristan and Algos fleets, but it seems like you folks are pretty much at parity with us in Novice / Small doctrines for the most part. You don't seem to have a plex doctrine counter to our AHAC fleets yet though, which is probably why you see the significant isk/kill disparity. Nicely done on that Jaguar comp too, excellent little counter to our Sniper Harpies. In all, well done to CalMil. As in Hasmijaala, you all showed you can actually pull together and have your logistics sorted a LOT better than you did last year. Looking forward to more of these clashes to come. I suppose the big question is... when will CalMil be ready to start going on the offensive? The last major system we lost was due more to not wanting to deal with basing in SNUFF's home system than anything else... We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Epikurus The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 85	Posted - 2015.07.10 13:29:42 - [21] - Quote Adding some more numbers to the above post with the 6 hour EU (1700-2300) and US (2300-0500) slots for each day. EU Friday: 63 Gallente, 56 Caldari Saturday: 57 Gallente, 63 Caldari Sunday: 84 Gallente, 86 Caldari US Friday: 36 Gallente, 23 Caldari (only 2 BLOC pilots!) Saturday: 55 Gallente, 48 Caldari Sunday: 56 Gallente, 59 Caldari (plus brief appearance by an 11 man Pestilent gate camp) If I had no life I would now want to cut these up into 3 hour chunks (6 hours is a bit too broad) so we had the figures for 8 three hour periods each day and then plot these against contested level increases and decreases. Hell, what I'd really like to see is the numbers on an hour by hour basis but I can hear my neck-beard growing even as I think such thoughts.
IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome Heiian Conglomerate 1446	Posted - 2015.07.10 14:23:28 - [22] - Quote Veskrashen wrote: Epikurus wrote: If this is representative then in terms of numbers and isk lost the fight was extremely finely balanced, albeit with a larger number of cheaper Caldari ships destroyed. Yup, good fites all around. Really disappointed we weren't able to push more and harder, but logistics was definitely an issue (running invasions out of a POS is much harder, and Incursion definitely didn't help). Well done on camping the hell out of the Maroh-Kehjari gate, definitely made it more difficult to get reships into system. I was a bit surprised to see Caldari running Tristan and Algos fleets, but it seems like you folks are pretty much at parity with us in Novice / Small doctrines for the most part. You don't seem to have a plex doctrine counter to our AHAC fleets yet though, which is probably why you see the significant isk/kill disparity. Nicely done on that Jaguar comp too, excellent little counter to our Sniper Harpies. In all, well done to CalMil. As in Hasmijaala, you all showed you can actually pull together and have your logistics sorted a LOT better than you did last year. Looking forward to more of these clashes to come. I suppose the big question is... when will CalMil be ready to start going on the offensive? The last major system we lost was due more to not wanting to deal with basing in SNUFF's home system than anything else... TBH we had the same issues as you guys due to the incursion so getting things sorted above dessys didn't happen. The offensive question is tricky - When we have started to push that you guys don't really come - You just get your pet 'Crosi Fedo' to put a heap of Stabbed Ventures in the systems all day and dplex it once we log off from boredom. It is very effective but cat and mouse games with stabbed ships are not really good content. https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1475	Posted - 2015.07.10 14:36:55 - [23] - Quote IbanezLaney wrote: We have yet to significantly challenge 4 deplexing alts so we are in no way ready to make an actual push At least youre honest.
Epikurus The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 86	Posted - 2015.07.10 15:08:22 - [24] - Quote Crosi Wesdo wrote: IbanezLaney wrote: We have yet to significantly challenge 4 deplexing alts so we are in no way ready to make an actual push At least youre honest. Crosi Wesdo wrote: IbanezLaney wrote: We have yet to significantly challenge 4 deplexing alts so we are in no way ready to make an actual push At least youre honest. I think his point was not that you can't be challenged but that nobody wants to because you have developed a play-style that is so tedious to engage with that most people would rather shoot themselves in the face than do what needs to be done for hour after hour. For which, congratulations I guess ...
Veratrix Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 24	Posted - 2015.07.10 15:09:23 - [25] - Quote Lol
Veratrix Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 24	Posted - 2015.07.10 15:13:01 - [26] - Quote You realize we pushed for close to 16 hours straight before we got a semblance of a fight in kehjari right?
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1475	Posted - 2015.07.10 15:24:12 - [27] - Quote What actually happens, is the AU tz has 12-15 dudes, dual boosted with neutral alts in geddons neuting out my commandship boosts on station and then a probing alt if i put boosts in a safe. All of this to fight, pretty much just me. Lots of smack in local about how my 1 garmur which may or may not have boosts darent engage their anti garmur dram and his gang of 10 other nano frigates. Then, the AU tz logs off and i slaughter the EU tz until they bring enough logi frigates to tank my garmur. Then i get some help and numbers even up and they go home. Enter the plexing alts. No one is blue balling the AU tz, just for the most part we dont have an integrated presence. At a push we might be able to persuade what we have to rally but generally they arnt great plex fighting assets. Just like some of our EU tz tbh, there could be non stop running fights in a system 2 jumps away but they would rather form up a cruiser gang to go dunk some solo vigilant the other side of FW space. Just how it goes.
Epikurus The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 86	Posted - 2015.07.10 15:31:12 - [28] - Quote Veratrix wrote: You realize we pushed for close to 16 hours straight before we got a semblance of a fight in kehjari right? Yep - and given the local chatter your pilots didn't seem terribly amused
Veratrix Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 24	Posted - 2015.07.10 15:35:28 - [29] - Quote But it generally works out in the end. Y'all should give it a try just once and see.
IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome Heiian Conglomerate 1447	Posted - 2015.07.10 15:50:04 - [30] - Quote Epikurus wrote: I think his point was not that you can't be challenged but that nobody wants to because you have developed a play-style that is so tedious to engage with that most people would rather shoot themselves in the face than do what needs to be done for hour after hour. For which, congratulations I guess ... This ^^. https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney

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