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Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 01:53:03 -
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Anyone else think its time to take the fee back to 1 plex due to plex being in the 920 million range now? |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
420
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Posted - 2015.07.08 01:59:23 -
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I don't know. Last week they were 10% off in real currency. |
Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 02:05:49 -
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Ya, but considering that if you sell a toon for say 3 billion on the forums, your only making 1 bill due to plex being almost 1 bill each. Wouldnt the smart thing to do be reduce the price of a character transfer considering there was no reason to make it 2 plex from 1 to begin with. Its greed is what it is. The forums for selling toons was so much more of an active area before the increase in cost.
On a side not I bought 10 plex on the market about 3 months ago, and If I sold them now I would make 4 billion just in the (interest) they have gained. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
414
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Posted - 2015.07.08 03:37:46 -
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Having transferred a few characters myself over the years itd be great to have it lower, but this would only benefit peoples in game wallets, not CCP so I doubt itll ever happen.
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Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 03:48:51 -
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I stopped playing for a year, what was the justification for doubling the fee to begin with tho.... |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1692
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Posted - 2015.07.08 03:58:26 -
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Drizzer wrote:I stopped playing for a year, what was the justification for doubling the fee to begin with tho.... Which year was that? It's been 2 PLEX for as long as I can remember.
Who put the goat in there?
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.07.08 04:52:23 -
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I don't think that CCP will let that go. Not saying that they are grubby, but that it does cost daylight to resolve player vs player issues with the system and so the PLEX covers the support/investigation time which can be considerable. The actual cost of a PLEX is still the same. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
863
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Posted - 2015.07.08 04:59:07 -
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Why don't you just pay $20 instead? |
Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 05:37:20 -
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When i have 81 billion isk why would i pay with real money, thats the job of ppl that wont learn to make isk ingame...
On a serious note tho... 20 USD to transfer a toon is crazy... What happened to CCP saying that If you put the time into the game you shouldnt have to spend your real life currency.
2 Billion Iskies is a lot of Isk to spend to transfer a toon. People like me could make a nice amount of isk by creating toons and reselling them. There is no reason it should have been changed to 2 plex in the first place. If plex is a bill each, shouldnt they at the least have left it at 1 plex not doubled it? |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32026
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Posted - 2015.07.08 05:37:49 -
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Is this correct: the ISK value of PLEX is basically the strength of EVE's game currency against real world money.
I ask because seeing the rising ISK value of PLEX feels like watching the world burn. And I am amused.
Drizzer wrote:When i have 81 billion isk why would i pay with real money, thats the job of ppl that wont learn to make isk ingame...
On a serious note tho... 20 USD to transfer a toon is crazy... What happened to CCP saying that If you put the time into the game you shouldnt have to spend your real life currency.
2 Billion Iskies is a lot of Isk to spend to transfer a toon. People like me could make a nice amount of isk by creating toons and reselling them. There is no reason it should have been changed to 2 plex in the first place. If plex is a bill each, shouldnt they at the least have left it at 1 plex not doubled it?
hahahahha dude what the ****? This is glorious.
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Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 05:48:33 -
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lol what part of it is sweet?
I think Im gonna buy like 60 Plex and let them gain in value and cash out at 1.3bill per plex..... |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32026
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Posted - 2015.07.08 05:53:04 -
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I have 81 Billion ISK because I'm good at making ISK.
What happened to not having to pay with real currency if I can make a lot of ISK.
I could make a lot of ISK if CCP made it easier for me to make ISK this way.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38635
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Posted - 2015.07.08 05:59:07 -
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You don't have to pay PLEX at all.
You can always use $20 instead, which is essentially the same as 1 PLEX.
But if you want to use ingame derived PLEX only, then sure, 2 PLEX is fine in my book.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32026
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Posted - 2015.07.08 06:04:49 -
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Yeah, I was expecting 950 mil and upon checking I said, "hoooooly ****"
http://i.imgur.com/SWUfQQp.png
What, is the ISK getting too weak against the dolla?
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Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 06:20:46 -
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lol2 plex might be ok for you, but your missing the point. Why the pricce of one plex RL currency, but 2 plex IG currency? And more over why was it doubled? |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
10770
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Posted - 2015.07.08 06:26:21 -
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Drizzer wrote: 20 USD to transfer a toon is crazy... Watsa toon, Gandalf? Toooo... TooOOoo.. un... oooon..
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
38635
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Posted - 2015.07.08 06:31:15 -
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Drizzer wrote:lol2 plex might be ok for you, but your missing the point. Why the pricce of one plex RL currency, but 2 plex IG currency? And more over why was it doubled?
Not missing the point at all.
I have the option to pay with cash, or pay effectively with game time.
If you don't want the convenience of paying with cash, then it should cost more with in game time because you are asking CCP to provide a service that you don't want to directly compensate them for, so paying double in time to utilise someone other player's money instead seems perfectly fine.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2015.07.08 06:31:35 -
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Was it doubled? If so when was it doubled?
As with Shederov I don't recall a time when it wasn't two PLEX (I believe when PLEX became available for Character Transfer use it was 2 - otherwise it would have meant a discount for using PLEX which is (at least) rare on introduction of a service). |
Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.07.08 06:33:07 -
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The first character I bought was in 2012, sold one one week later. So it was about 3 years ago roughly as I took a 1 year break it could have been anywhere in that time frame. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6341
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Posted - 2015.07.08 07:15:27 -
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I too don't remember it ever being 1 plex.
HTFU though. It's 2 plex, that's not really that much. Just make more isk and all will be fine.
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Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 07:18:22 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I too don't remember it ever being 1 plex.
HTFU though. It's 2 plex, that's not really that much. Just make more isk and all will be fine.
2 plex is 1 plex too much....and i have enpugh isk, thats not it.
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.07.08 07:21:39 -
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People are making plex price so high , by market manipulation.
This is not CCP problem .
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Carmen Electra
Shiptoasters
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Posted - 2015.07.08 07:42:33 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:If you don't want the convenience of paying with cash, then it should cost more with in game time because you are asking CCP to provide a service that you don't want to directly compensate them for, so paying double in time to utilise someone other player's money instead seems perfectly fine.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
761
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Posted - 2015.07.08 07:54:18 -
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This guy sounds like a millionaire complaining about taxes....
The millionaire has a better point due to taxes being income based
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Borascus
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Posted - 2015.07.08 07:56:59 -
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EVE central - PLEX prices
Over here you can see the spread, there are some 50-100 PLEX unit sellers and there is a hefty listing fee associated with their price.
Similarly there are lots of buy orders with 20+ items required, mainly between the 800mil-940mil pricing window.
With this, it's safe to say that 20-30 players have ~ 100bil ISK and really do want to make money reselling plex (this month).
They are paying hefty fees though, unless thats something CCP need to look at in respect of inflation - paying 0 fees would remove the control mechanism of fees from 3month training traders, margin trading - the profit is in the first 25%.
Either way the best course of action is to pay the 1,927,999,999.93 for the two plex to transfer, as the $20 would only net 1,926,000,000 if it was PLEX (which it wont be).
Similarly, it is in the best interest of the players subbing with PLEX to use the subscribe option as they would be able to subscribe until the prices are low and use the time subbed to bankroll their next f2p period, market manipulation only works if the community offsets the fees, it would become very boring making a loss to fees due to low demand.
Similarly, if everyone paying ingame time for plex paid a little extra to buy the single listing PLEX the transfer of wealth would be flat, with very little in the way of bulk profits transferring to those that are making their life hard by bumping the prices with high volume trades. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32027
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Posted - 2015.07.08 08:43:41 -
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It's 2 PLEX to get you to pay 20 USD. Just charge more for your character sales.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
728
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Posted - 2015.07.08 09:47:19 -
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Drizzer wrote:When i have 81 billion isk why would i pay with real money, thats the job of ppl that wont learn to make isk ingame...
On a serious note tho... 20 USD to transfer a toon is crazy... What happened to CCP saying that If you put the time into the game you shouldnt have to spend your real life currency.
2 Billion Iskies is a lot of Isk to spend to transfer a toon. People like me could make a nice amount of isk by creating toons and reselling them. There is no reason it should have been changed to 2 plex in the first place. If plex is a bill each, shouldnt they at the least have left it at 1 plex not doubled it?
Drizzer wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I too don't remember it ever being 1 plex.
HTFU though. It's 2 plex, that's not really that much. Just make more isk and all will be fine. 2 plex is 1 plex too much....and i have enpugh isk, thats not it.
So what is it exactly that makes you feel so uncomfortable, that it even drives you to create a thread about it?
You sound like you like to brag a bit about your unreal money, btw. I rather pay 20 bucks, because i don't waste isk for something i can easily pay with real money (it's actually cheaper too), but I guess paying with isk is the job for ppl that won't learn to make money in real life, right? 
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6341
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Posted - 2015.07.08 09:57:14 -
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Drizzer wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I too don't remember it ever being 1 plex.
HTFU though. It's 2 plex, that's not really that much. Just make more isk and all will be fine. 2 plex is 1 plex too much....and i have enpugh isk, thats not it. Well no, 2 plex is the price. It's not too much it's not too little, it's the chosen price of the service. If you don't feel the service is worth that, don't use it. Many people still will because we're not peasant poor.
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Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:48:35 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:If you don't want the convenience of paying with cash, then it should cost more with in game time because you are asking CCP to provide a service that you don't want to directly compensate them for, so paying double in time to utilise someone other player's money instead seems perfectly fine. This
Someone else is compensating them for my time, no matter how you look at it CCP is being payed for all subs. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
835
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:54:10 -
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Character transfers have always been two plex, since they introduced the option to pay with plex. It's never been 1 plex. So I'm not sure where you are getting this doubled cost crap from.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1991
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:55:26 -
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Yarda Black wrote:This guy sounds like a millionaire complaining about taxes....
The millionaire has a better point due to taxes being income based
You can't make a pool out of ISK... |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
741
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:56:26 -
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Elenahina wrote:Character transfers have always been two plex, since they introduced the option to pay with plex. It's never been 1 plex. So I'm not sure where you are getting this doubled cost crap from.
He's not really open about this. He doesn't mention the actual reason why two plex are too much even though he can easily afford... as he claims. It's a rant.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1991
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:57:53 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Elenahina wrote:Character transfers have always been two plex, since they introduced the option to pay with plex. It's never been 1 plex. So I'm not sure where you are getting this doubled cost crap from. He's not really open about this. He doesn't mention the actual reason why two plex are too much even though he can easily afford... as he claims. It's a rant.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
1182
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:01:26 -
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Character transfers are a silly thing to start with. I don't get where this phenomenon ever came from or why it got supported. And people who do it on a weekly basis I get least of all.
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Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:01:41 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Drizzer wrote:When i have 81 billion isk why would i pay with real money, thats the job of ppl that wont learn to make isk ingame...
On a serious note tho... 20 USD to transfer a toon is crazy... What happened to CCP saying that If you put the time into the game you shouldnt have to spend your real life currency.
2 Billion Iskies is a lot of Isk to spend to transfer a toon. People like me could make a nice amount of isk by creating toons and reselling them. There is no reason it should have been changed to 2 plex in the first place. If plex is a bill each, shouldnt they at the least have left it at 1 plex not doubled it? Drizzer wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I too don't remember it ever being 1 plex.
HTFU though. It's 2 plex, that's not really that much. Just make more isk and all will be fine. 2 plex is 1 plex too much....and i have enpugh isk, thats not it. So what is it exactly that makes you feel so uncomfortable, that it even drives you to create a thread about it? You sound like you like to brag a bit about your unreal money, btw. I rather pay 20 bucks, because i don't waste isk for something i can easily pay with real money (it's actually cheaper too), but I guess paying with isk is the job for ppl that won't learn to make money in real life, right?
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:02:28 -
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Drizzer wrote:Ya, but considering that if you sell a toon for say 3 billion on the forums, your only making 1 bill due to plex being almost 1 bill each. Wouldnt the smart thing to do be reduce the price of a character transfer considering there was no reason to make it 2 plex from 1 to begin with. Its greed is what it is. The forums for selling toons was so much more of an active area before the increase in cost.
Increase your character prices. I've been gradually forcing them up for 3 years but I can still see numpties listing them at below market value. It's partly because people using power of two accounts have a built in margin. We're lucky we can transfer characters using plex in the first place. If it was limited purely to RL currency to restrict character flipping this market wouldn't exist.
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Drizzer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:04:31 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Elenahina wrote:Character transfers have always been two plex, since they introduced the option to pay with plex. It's never been 1 plex. So I'm not sure where you are getting this doubled cost crap from. He's not really open about this. He doesn't mention the actual reason why two plex are too much even though he can easily afford... as he claims. It's a rant.
Whats not open about it?
I dont want to have to spend another 1 billion Isk on a character I would like to buy and add to my fleet.
CCP never gave a reason for the double of the cost either. Would like feedback on reason for the change is all. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1991
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:07:27 -
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Drizzer wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Elenahina wrote:Character transfers have always been two plex, since they introduced the option to pay with plex. It's never been 1 plex. So I'm not sure where you are getting this doubled cost crap from. He's not really open about this. He doesn't mention the actual reason why two plex are too much even though he can easily afford... as he claims. It's a rant. Whats not open about it? I dont want to have to spend another 1 billion Isk on a character I would like to buy and add to my fleet. CCP never gave a reason for the double of the cost either. Would like feedback on reason for the change is all.
Can you list when this "change" happened because we got a lot of report here about how it was 2 PLEX from day 1 of PLEX paid character transfer being available. |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:20:28 -
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Drizzer wrote:When i have 81 billion isk why would i pay with real money, thats the job of ppl that wont learn to make isk ingame...
To turn this around, right now I can make $20 in half an hour IRL. Can you make 1.8 bil ISK in half an hour?
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
742
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:50:57 -
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Drizzer wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Elenahina wrote:Character transfers have always been two plex, since they introduced the option to pay with plex. It's never been 1 plex. So I'm not sure where you are getting this doubled cost crap from. He's not really open about this. He doesn't mention the actual reason why two plex are too much even though he can easily afford... as he claims. It's a rant. Whats not open about it? I dont want to have to spend another 1 billion Isk on a character I would like to buy and add to my fleet. CCP never gave a reason for the double of the cost either. Would like feedback on reason for the change is all.
Because your story doesn't add up. You claim to have 81 billion isk but whine about transfer prices. That makes you either greedy or a liar. And the best part is how you somehow feel entitled to feedback for something that never even happened in the first place.
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:11:33 -
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Drizzer wrote:When i have 81 billion isk why would i pay with real money, thats the job of ppl that wont learn to make isk ingame...
On a serious note tho... 20 USD to transfer a toon is crazy... What happened to CCP saying that If you put the time into the game you shouldnt have to spend your real life currency.
2 Billion Iskies is a lot of Isk to spend to transfer a toon. People like me could make a nice amount of isk by creating toons and reselling them. There is no reason it should have been changed to 2 plex in the first place. If plex is a bill each, shouldnt they at the least have left it at 1 plex not doubled it?
ccp doesnt really care if you can make more isk by them cutting there own profits, stop being greedy you have 81bil which is enough to spare 2 plex worth so you can make more isk on character sales. suck it up and train your chars for longer to be worth more
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Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16661
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:02:59 -
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Drizzer wrote:When i have 81 billion isk why would i pay with real money, thats the job of ppl that wont learn to make isk ingame...
On a serious note tho... 20 USD to transfer a toon is crazy... What happened to CCP saying that If you put the time into the game you shouldnt have to spend your real life currency.
2 Billion Iskies is a lot of Isk to spend to transfer a toon. People like me could make a nice amount of isk by creating toons and reselling them. There is no reason it should have been changed to 2 plex in the first place. If plex is a bill each, shouldnt they at the least have left it at 1 plex not doubled it?
It was never 1 PLEX.
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102
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:48:47 -
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Drizzer wrote:i have 81 billion isk
Cry me a river 
However, if this is really a serious problem for you in acquiring a new character, send me the 81 billion and I will double it and send it back so your wallet will keep pace with the alleged doubling of the transfer fee. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
836
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:31:22 -
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Drizzer wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Elenahina wrote:Character transfers have always been two plex, since they introduced the option to pay with plex. It's never been 1 plex. So I'm not sure where you are getting this doubled cost crap from. He's not really open about this. He doesn't mention the actual reason why two plex are too much even though he can easily afford... as he claims. It's a rant. Whats not open about it? I dont want to have to spend another 1 billion Isk on a character I would like to buy and add to my fleet. CCP never gave a reason for the double of the cost either. Would like feedback on reason for the change is all.
There was no change. How are they going to give you feedback on a non-existent change?
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