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Nikollai Tesla
Crytec Enterprises SRS.
15
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Posted - 2011.12.10 00:57:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:The proposal is as thread title.
Surely only proposals should come from those members of the community whose words have been peer-judged to be awesome. This would have the pleasantly double-edged effect of
i) only allowing aforesaid awesome posters in suggesting only the best ideas .....
What do you say? Show your support!
Where is the dislike button? I keep clicking and can't seem to find it.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1266
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Posted - 2011.12.10 02:28:00 -
[62] - Quote
supported |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5137
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Posted - 2011.12.10 03:37:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Thredd Necro wrote:Bumblefck wrote:The proposal is as thread title.
Surely only proposals should come from those members of the community whose words have been peer-judged to be awesome. This would have the pleasantly double-edged effect of
i) only allowing aforesaid awesome posters in suggesting only the best ideas
and
ii) giving those deemed not worthy by the like system scope to buck up their ideas, pull themselves together and become more like the cool kids.
In the interests of paternalistic concern, however, under this system everyone would still be able to vote on the threads of their choice, as present.
What do you say? Show your support! We c wut u did ther...  Try and find all of our mysterious messages! :D Unbeknownst to everyone except you, myself, The Mittani and perhaps a couple of instructors at the US Navy's Defense Language Institute in Monterrey, California, there was a secret message hidden in the Original Post which had nothing to do with a proposal to limit the forum privileges of non-exceptional individuals, nor a troll concerning the same. Upon re-reading the original post, I have received the message and informed Commissar Mittens, whose regards you can expect within the next day or so by way of the usual intermediary.
The funny part is that people will disregard this message as a troll within a troll, and completely overlook the very obvious code words. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5137
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Posted - 2011.12.10 03:38:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Thredd Necro wrote:Bumblefck wrote:The proposal is as thread title.
Surely only proposals should come from those members of the community whose words have been peer-judged to be awesome. This would have the pleasantly double-edged effect of
i) only allowing aforesaid awesome posters in suggesting only the best ideas
and
ii) giving those deemed not worthy by the like system scope to buck up their ideas, pull themselves together and become more like the cool kids.
In the interests of paternalistic concern, however, under this system everyone would still be able to vote on the threads of their choice, as present.
What do you say? Show your support! We c wut u did ther...  Try and find all of our mysterious messages! :D Unbeknownst to everyone except you, myself, The Mittani and perhaps a couple of instructors at the US Navy's Defense Language Institute in Monterrey, California, there was a secret message hidden in the Original Post which had nothing to do with a proposal to limit the forum privileges of non-exceptional individuals, nor a troll concerning the same. Upon re-reading the original post, I have received the message and informed Commissar Mittens, whose regards you can expect within the next day or so by way of the usual intermediary. The funny part is that people will disregard this message as a troll within a troll, and completely overlook the very obvious code words.
~puppetmasta~ Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
1435
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Posted - 2011.12.10 10:37:00 -
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The message has been received, decoded and ready to be disseminated (giggity) to the people (but only if they fulfill the like quota)
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |

Sepheir Sepheron
Capsule Corporation
18
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Posted - 2011.12.10 12:15:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:The proposal is as thread title.
Surely only proposals should come from those members of the community whose words have been peer-judged to be awesome. This would have the pleasantly double-edged effect of
i) only allowing aforesaid awesome posters in suggesting only the best ideas
and
ii) giving those deemed not worthy by the like system scope to buck up their ideas, pull themselves together and become more like the cool kids.
In the interests of paternalistic concern, however, under this system everyone would still be able to vote on the threads of their choice, as present.
What do you say? Show your support!
So you need to get likes by making proposals but you can't make proposals unless you have likes... Huh.. |

hired goon
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
33
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:01:00 -
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Unfortunately amount of likes is not an indicator of post quality, as evidenced by 1) the quality of Bumblefck's posts, and 2) the fact that he is one of the primary contributors to the "Like and get liked" thread in general discussion.
I move ideas should only be submittable to this forum by people who have been following Eve since 2002. |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
1435
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:20:00 -
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hired goon wrote:Unfortunately amount of likes is not an indicator of post quality, as evidenced by 1) the quality of Bumblefck's posts, and 2) the fact that he is one of the primary contributors to the "Like and get liked" thread in general discussion.
I move ideas should only be submittable to this forum by people who have been following Eve since 2002.
The only move that you could make (and indeed did make with your post) is one of the bowels. Your idea has been noted but ultimately rejected, sadly. You may wqish to acquire more 'likes' before trying again!
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
1435
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:23:00 -
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Sepheir Sepheron wrote:Bumblefck wrote:The proposal is as thread title.
Surely only proposals should come from those members of the community whose words have been peer-judged to be awesome. This would have the pleasantly double-edged effect of
i) only allowing aforesaid awesome posters in suggesting only the best ideas
and
ii) giving those deemed not worthy by the like system scope to buck up their ideas, pull themselves together and become more like the cool kids.
In the interests of paternalistic concern, however, under this system everyone would still be able to vote on the threads of their choice, as present.
What do you say? Show your support! So you need to get likes by making proposals but you can't make proposals unless you have likes... Huh..
^_^
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
239
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Posted - 2011.12.10 19:06:00 -
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The amount of likes dosn't mean you have something in your head. This is a bad idea.
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Wolodymyr
Mando'a Navy Controlled Chaos
12
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Posted - 2011.12.10 19:51:00 -
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Everyone with over 1000 likes thinks this is a good idea. Everyone under 1000 likes thinks it's a bad idea.
Everyone will always vote for what benefits them rather than what's better for the game.
If someone suggested that only people with 5000 likes (or even 1500 likes) the original poster would cry and moan just like the rest of us.
So in the spirit of this troll thread I suggest to CCP that they only let me personally start threads in the assembly hall. |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5139
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Posted - 2011.12.10 19:56:00 -
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Wolodymyr wrote:Everyone with over 1000 likes thinks this is a good idea. Everyone under 1000 likes thinks it's a bad idea.
Everyone will always vote for what benefits them rather than what's better for the game.
If someone suggested that only people with 5000 likes (or even 1500 likes) the original poster would cry and moan just like the rest of us.
So in the spirit of this troll thread I suggest to CCP that they only let me personally start threads in the assembly hall. I am down for only letting myself and The Mittani make threads. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5139
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Posted - 2011.12.10 19:57:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:The amount of likes dosn't mean you have something in your head. This is a bad idea.
The amount of likes determines popularity, and in democratic institutions popularity equals legitimacy. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
1443
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Posted - 2011.12.10 20:22:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:The amount of likes dosn't mean you have something in your head. This is a bad idea.
The amount of likes determines popularity, and in democratic institutions popularity equals legitimacy.
Yes indeedy
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
864
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Posted - 2011.12.11 08:33:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:The amount of likes dosn't mean you have something in your head. This is a bad idea.
The amount of likes determines popularity, and in democratic institutions popularity equals legitimacy.
Who said the Eve forums was a democratic institution.....
More over, in dictatorships, popularity only serves to highlight the lack of alternatives/opposition.
In a world where only goonswarm spammers have enough likes to make topics that their CSM brosefs can steamroll into implementation, this kind of nullifies the whole legitimacy argument and further more highlights the massive segregation of duties conflicts of interest present in the current dispensation. |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5141
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Posted - 2011.12.11 20:45:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:The amount of likes dosn't mean you have something in your head. This is a bad idea.
The amount of likes determines popularity, and in democratic institutions popularity equals legitimacy. Who said the Eve forums was a democratic institution..... The EVE Online forums are not; the CSM and its business is. CCP said so.
Quote:More over, in dictatorships, popularity only serves to highlight the lack of alternatives/opposition. Well then you will be happy to know that the CSM is an authoritarian-enforced democratic body.
Quote:In a world where only goonswarm spammers have enough likes to make topics that their CSM brosefs can steamroll into implementation, this kind of nullifies the whole legitimacy argument and further more highlights the massive segregation of duties conflicts of interest present in the current dispensation. What is to stop any other group of people from banding together and having a voice exactly as loud as or louder than the collective voice of Goonswarm? I can think of exactly two things: first, that other groups of people lack the necessary organization or group cohesion to do it; second, that enough other people do not exist. If the first is the case, then one can hardly blame Goonswarm and her allies for being successful. That is generally regarded as a good thing, ya know. If the latter is the case, and literally the voice of Goonswarm is the loudest because there are more of us than there are players in every other group combined, then we honestly deserve to get everything we want because that is how a democracy works. Welcome to the tyranny of the masses. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |

BLACK-STAR
255
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Posted - 2011.12.11 23:41:00 -
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No
I have no idea who this OP is, never seen him post anything senseful in my life. This thread for example. and there's nothing stopping the CSM from posting ideas here themselves.
did you spend endless hours liking yourself with your alts? do you feel some sort of achievement and superiority in the mind?
2/10 cause OP was thrown under a bus. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.12.12 01:24:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:What is to stop any other group of people from banding together and having a voice exactly as loud as or louder than the collective voice of Goonswarm? I can think of exactly two things: first, that other groups of people lack the necessary organization or group cohesion to do it; second, that enough other people do not exist. If the first is the case, then one can hardly blame Goonswarm and her allies for being successful. That is generally regarded as a good thing, ya know. If the latter is the case, and literally the voice of Goonswarm is the loudest because there are more of us than there are players in every other group combined, then we honestly deserve to get everything we want because that is how a democracy works. Welcome to the tyranny of the masses.
While you aren't the majority of players in game, not if CCP's own published figures are to be believed, not to mention human nature suddenly doing a 360 degree turn, you DO seem to be one of the most active groups so yes your voice should definitely be heard. |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5142
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:48:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:No
I have no idea who this OP is, never seen him post anything senseful in my life. This thread for example. and there's nothing stopping the CSM from posting ideas here themselves.
did you spend endless hours liking yourself with your alts? do you feel some sort of achievement and superiority in the mind?
2/10 cause OP was thrown under a bus. Hi there buddy I have more likes than the OP why don't you insult me some. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
1467
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:32:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:No
I have no idea who this OP is, never seen him post anything senseful in my life. This thread for example. and there's nothing stopping the CSM from posting ideas here themselves.
did you spend endless hours liking yourself with your alts? do you feel some sort of achievement and superiority in the mind?
2/10 cause OP was thrown under a bus.
The alt likeage conspiracy theory *gains ground*
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2727
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:33:00 -
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Just wanted to add that there is an awful amount of butthurt ITT
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2727
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:27:00 -
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Thread still running - proposal still active - go go go!
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Gistatis Tribunus
The Unknown Bar and Pub
13
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:26:00 -
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The OP has a point. It's statistically proven that people with more likes make better posts. Just look at Lyris Nairn. That guy hasn't made a single bad post yet. |

Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
98
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:04:00 -
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Given threads like the Give and get likes type threads, I think the whole notion is pretty rediculous. Personally never took part in it, and wouldn't. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
255
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:10:00 -
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k but you guys gotta throw some likes at me so I can keep sharing the miraculous story of "ban npc corps from game and csm forums" |

Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.01.29 10:52:00 -
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Thread is pointless and can't be accepted by the CSM as it contravenes the constitutional rights of every voter:
( http://www.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf )
"In the spirit of encouraging as much debate and discussion as possible, any voter may present any topic at any time in this forum, and there is no limit to the number of topics they can introduceGÇöas long as they are genuine, relevant, and well articulated. In addition, they may participate in as many existing topics opened by fellow voters as they please. The burden of demonstrating the legitimacy or urgency of the issue rests with the voters themselves. A good idea will generate momentum all on its own, and it is the task of the CSM to not only track these discussions, but to engage the populace as much as possible in the interest of sustaining that momentum until the issue is brought to closure." |
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