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Keskora Yaari
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:39:32 -
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<3 Phoenix
Yeah the idea is that it has the same jump restrictions as your standard c2/c3/c4 wormhole but it has very little total mass. So you can take say, a dozen cruisers through it and back or 1 battleship both ways before it collapses. Ideally it would work to increase roams and day tripping but it would keep people from using it as a bridge between systems. Also, having to make a more tactical decisions about what jumps through would make for some potentially interesting engagements.
I'll yolo t1 battleships all day if it means fun fights :) |
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:52:56 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote:....... and from the Null perspective - Its so much easier to roll a small static back to your area of null space should you want to go into the C5 & C6 farming business.
NO ... in fact HELL NO
It's almost sounds like the OP has been coached by a null alliance propaganda officer
These aren't statics - they would be wandering wormholes. If they collapse they are gone and another one does not spawn |
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:58:12 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Iowa Banshee wrote:....... and from the Null perspective - Its so much easier to roll a small static back to your area of null space should you want to go into the C5 & C6 farming business.
NO ... in fact HELL NO
It's almost sounds like the OP has been coached by a null alliance propaganda officer So your concern is that a nullsec group will obtain the ability to go pve in a c5 and c6? They can't fit a dread, there pve ships will be marauders or t3's, they can gas mine. They can't do escalations. Considering the amount of dead c6 space there is and the virtual non-existence of null people running wormhole sites vs carrier ratting.... Maybe I'm wrong and there are nullsec groups that jump at the idea of nomadding in c5 and c6 space to gain dank ISk vs ratting anoms in stationed systems with emergency cyno Alts and local for 8 hours. I'm sure i am missing the exact concern. If you can spell it out it would help us a bit better.
i think they are thinking that these new wormholes would be statics to a c5/c6. So if they move into one to farm with dreads/carriers they can repeatedly roll it to get the best NS connection. But these are not statics - they are wandering so if you roll one you would just have to hope that another spawns. With that in mind I don't think his argument really works.
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:10:06 -
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Iowa Banshee wrote:
You are right I did think more statics were being proposed -- which would be bad
Agreed! That would be horrible haha
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:35:01 -
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Axloth Okiah wrote: Thats not really enough to roam out and kill ratters in an active region.
How many do you think would be a good amount? Enough to be able to take fights but not so many that you can blob or move an entire corp worth of people |
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Posted - 2015.07.08 18:33:38 -
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if you can take out a fleet of say 15-20 people you can easily kill a ratting carrier. We took one down with 9 battlecruisers and a geddon once. Switch out that geddon for say, 3 neut legions and there you go. But I don't think of this as a way to replace the lower spawn rate of existing null connections (though the reduced amount doesn't sound like a ton imo). This would be more of a supplement - a new option to offer more opportunities to roam and get fights. You just have to maybe be more tactical/resourceful in order to take ALL fights.
Or you take out two dozen people and just let the hole collapse and scan a new way home. That's always an option too. |
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Posted - 2015.07.08 21:32:26 -
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I think allowing BSs to go through would be fine. The low mass already limits how many you can put through. Sure it will make them easier to roll but that's part of the idea - they roll quickly and spawn frequently. Besides, if you couldn't jump BSs you could still put a higgs rig on a mauler or something and close it pretty quickly. |
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Posted - 2015.07.08 22:13:10 -
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Lawl Tim <3
But again, these aren't supposed to replace any existing holes and it's not intended to be a supplement to lower spawns of z142. This idea is for an entirely new type of wormhole. Basically I'm hearing about all of these changes that are effecting w-space because of people in null and I wanted to think of a type of wh that would bring a little more fun to w-space that wouldn't cause all of null sec to cry. One of the things I love most about w-space is the danger and unknown of where your connections will be at any given moment. Having connections that spawn frequently but die quickly adds to that and allows for more content and more chains - both things that w-space always needs.
But thinking about what you said, Tim, these could potentially be well served in low-class space too. Perhaps they don't need to be limited to c5/c6 space but can spawn in any class space? |
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Posted - 2015.07.09 01:57:16 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:
replacing Z142's with Z060's isn't the solution. it's better than more frig holes, but it doesn't address the issues.
As i have said in previous posts.... This idea isn't meant to replace anything. Z142s will continue to exist with their own spawn rates and their own frequency. This is an idea for a completely new type of wormhole that wouldn't have any relation to current wormhole spawn rates.
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