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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2015.07.09 08:14:38 -
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Good morning/afternoon/evening,
I have been trying to repair my standings with various factions (I know, I know...). I have recently been running missions for both Thukker Tribe and Ammatar Mandate, who both dislike each at -7.0 each way.
According to all sources I found, this should mean that if I do a storyline mission for one of these factions and gain X% standing with them, I would lose (X x -0.7)% standing with the other one. And more generally, derived standings should usually be smaller than the original standing gain.
However, on completing one such mission for Ammatar, I gained about 1.4% with them, but I then checked and noticed I lost about 1.6% with the Thukkers.
Thinking this may be a bug, I submitted a support ticket. The response to this was, unhelpfully, "we have not released the math for standings modification". Even when I followed up to see if they would answer the actual question or be a bit more helpful, that was all I got.
Given the amount of articles out there, it seemed the standings mechanics were well documented and reasoned, and it was understood how they all interacted. And in theory, the idea that derived standings modifications would be smaller than the original standings gain, seemed to make sense.
Anyone else have any experience with this? Are CCP being unnecessarily dark about this issue? Because it looks like in the process of trying to repair standings with these two factions, due to this see-saw action the more I do the worse they will actually get. Which is strange.
Regards,
Puns
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Fatoria Hemah
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.09 08:30:02 -
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As an educated guess I'd say you have to remember it's allways depending on what you current standing is. For example if you gain 10% standing it's gaining 10% from the difference you have to max Standing +10 .Same to loosing it's 10% from the difference to -10. So might be you win 10% on one and loose 7% (for -0.7 dislike between both) to other but in total you loose more as you are nearer to +10 on first then to -10 on second.
Or it might be that you had killed some Thukkers in the storyline Mission which also gives your standing a negative hit |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2015.07.09 08:35:32 -
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Yeah. It's a mess. I wish CCP would entice agents to tell about faction changes when they offer a mission.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.07.09 08:54:28 -
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Try using derived standings from someone like SOE to help some of these cases. (Or SOE epic arc) |
The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:15:41 -
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Fatoria Hemah wrote:As an educated guess I'd say you have to remember it's allways depending on what you current standing is. For example if you gain 10% standing it's gaining 10% from the difference you have to max Standing +10 .Same to loosing it's 10% from the difference to -10. So might be you win 10% on one and loose 7% (for -0.7 dislike between both) to other but in total you loose more as you are nearer to +10 on first then to -10 on second.
Or it might be that you had killed some Thukkers in the storyline Mission which also gives your standing a negative hit
As I understand it, the % figure is fed into the standing equation, which depends on your current standing, and this then gives you your actual gain/loss. As such, the % figure is not dependant on your current standings, its a flat reward for completing the mission, or derived from it based on the inter-faction relationships. So the % figure for the derived standing modification should still be lower than the % figure from the original faction, if any of the articles are to be believed.
And no, I always make sure not to kill Faction ships in missions.
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Try using derived standings from someone like SOE to help some of these cases. (Or SOE epic arc)
I do all the epic arcs every 3 months religiously. They are too lucrative to miss out on. But they only help the 4 main empire factions. Looks like my best option at the moment is to just run for Amarr and Minnie, and see how the different derived standings work out. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:18:51 -
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It has to do with who they are friends to in the first place.
http://prntscr.com/7qlzr9
Notice the standings gain or loss towards each faction. They are enemy factions by this. Doing missions for one will negate the other and vice versa.
Welcome to Eve.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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thowlimer
Roprocor Ltd
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Posted - 2015.07.09 09:32:32 -
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Actually it does depend on your current standings, gain/loss is calculated as percentage of the difference of your max and current. In this case:
Gain = mission percentage*(10(max you can get since you are running for this faction)-your current standing with faction) Loss = mission percentage*(-7(max you can get through derived standing)-your current standing with faction)
So as your standing starts to rise the positive bit grows less and the negative larger until they reach an equilibrum at 1.5 positive standing, if you want both to get higher after that you will have to find some other method than running alternately between the two.
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2015.07.09 11:22:32 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:It has to do with who they are friends to in the first place. http://prntscr.com/7qlzr9 Notice the standings gain or loss towards each faction. They are enemy factions by this. Doing missions for one will negate the other and vice versa. Welcome to Eve.
Thanks, but I don't believe you have read and understood any of the previous posts.
thowlimer wrote:Actually it does depend on your current standings, gain/loss is calculated as percentage of the difference of your max and current. In this case:
Gain = mission percentage*(10(max you can get since you are running for this faction a)-your current standing with faction a) Loss = mission percentage*(-7(max you can get through derived standing with faction b)-your current standing with faction b)
So as your standing starts to rise the positive bit grows less and the negative larger until they reach an equilibrum at 1.5 positive standing, if you want both to get higher after that you will have to find some other method than running alternately between the two.
Hmmm... Not sure I understand exactly what that would work out at, but it does still seem to say that mission percentage and actual gain/loss are different things, and that the percentage is worked out before working out the actual derived gain/loss, and so the derived percentage should still be lower for faction b, prior to being fed into the formula.
Have I read this wrong? Sorry if I'm missing something obvious
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Kyra Lee
Ixian Machines
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Posted - 2015.07.09 12:51:12 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis was partly right in his statement about who people are friends with, or maybe fully right but didn't articulate that. According to this chart, which i think is still right, Ammatar and Thukker are -9.333 to each other. They start out at -7 like it says in the Corp description but once you factor in all of the other relationships with the other corps you end up with a derived standing of -9.3333, repeating of course. Hopefully this helps out.
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
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Posted - 2015.07.09 14:03:16 -
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Kyra Lee wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis was partly right in his statement about who people are friends with, or maybe fully right but didn't articulate that. According to this chart, which i think is still right, Ammatar and Thukker are -9.333 to each other. They start out at -7 like it says in the Corp description but once you factor in all of the other relationships with the other corps you end up with a derived standing of -9.3333, repeating of course. Hopefully this helps out. KL
I had seen that chart, didnt know if it was up to date, and dont think I was even reading it properly to begin with.
Ok, that would go part way to explaining the discrepancy. But even if they were at -10 relationship, that would equate to identical percentage gains and losses. For me to have a higher standing percentage loss with B than I gained with A, they would have to have a final relationship of worse than -10 with each other. Unless all the standing math that has been quoted in other places is incorrect. In which case I would like CCP to make that a bit clearer. So I guess it will never happen.
Thanks for the replies. |
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2015.07.09 22:52:29 -
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Kyra Lee wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis was partly right in his statement about who people are friends with, or maybe fully right but didn't articulate that. According to this chart, which i think is still right, Ammatar and Thukker are -9.333 to each other. They start out at -7 like it says in the Corp description but once you factor in all of the other relationships with the other corps you end up with a derived standing of -9.3333, repeating of course. Hopefully this helps out. KL
I don't understand how the numbers of the second chart come about. Certainly the changes in Caldari and Gallente standings I''ve been getting don't support the numbers provided, but rather tie in better with the -5.00 figure of the first chart. |
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