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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:52:00 -
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Not sure about other people's experience with the new "warp to zero" feature, but in some cases (stations mainly, a few gates too) me, my corp mates and other friendly corps reported quite a lot of occurences when "warp to 0" was in fact even as bad as "warp to 3km" instead.
The pattern is not clear yet... wether it depends on ship type/size, on approach direction or any other factors is unclear, but fact remains, you are sometimes even outside of gate activation range (2500m) and more often outside docking range (500m).
Not wanting to be a nitpick, but I could see why (especialy) some freighter pilots would not delete their instajump and instadock bookmarks, and would be quite upset if the BMs would get auto-deleted but the "promised feature" would, well, NOT work as promised.
Anybody else getting this "problem" ?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:54:00 -
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I think its intentional, to prevent 100% guarunteed insta-jumps and insta-docks. IMO, a good thing- and I bet they do wipe everyones BMs ina week or so, when the majority have already done their own. The only reason they didn't do it now is because of the scale of the thing.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:55:00 -
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Always have been a slight random factor with warpin points.
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Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
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Posted - 2006.11.30 00:58:00 -
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even on the old insta jumps there were a 3km degree of variance
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Riotgirl Kun
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:00:00 -
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if they delete all instas..
the SSES wil be deleted aswell they wotn dot aht as ppl (liek me) keep bses and other stuff ready in SSES..
would be unfair to just delete them..
~riot
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:03:00 -
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No idea about you guys, but all my hand-made gatescan/instajump pairs always left me at 0km from the target gate (actually closer than 0km "edge").
And all instadocks well within the "station bubble", had to travel quite far to get to 1m "away" from object.
If this is how the new "insta replacement" is supposed to work, I see no reason to keep it, it's worse as an insta set.
And if per chance they get deleted, if they can be recreated, they'll be recreated.
If they can't be recreated and people start getting popped because of this "feature", then expect huge whinage.
I mean, of epic proportions.
If you replace the system, at least "do it right".
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Riotgirl Kun
if they delete all instas..
the SSES wil be deleted aswell they wotn dot aht as ppl (liek me) keep bses and other stuff ready in SSES..
would be unfair to just delete them..
~riot
They originally planned to delete everything within 40km or so of gates and stations. They planned this right up till yesterday, when they decided it'd take too long.
I'd be willing to bet after 95% of the EVE population have already cleared their BM folders, they'll do it then to clear the rest.
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Rei Toai
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
If you replace the system, at least "do it right".
yup - WT10 > WTZ
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 30/11/2006 01:12:35
Unless you have a "unable to place BMs 100km away from stations/gates" (the max warp-to distance) all that would "solve" is the fact everybody would have to either create or buy new set of beyond-40km instas.
That is, if they don't "fix" warp-to-zero to actually warp you to 0.
Or at least to 500m for stations and 2500m from gates, in the worst case.
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Riotgirl Kun
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:13:00 -
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ahhhn 40km from gates.. well then its fine :)
i allreadyy deleted min as i'm stuck in 1 system anyways.!
OUTLAW FTW!!!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 30/11/2006 01:12:35
Unless you have a "unable to place BMs 100km away from stations/gates" (the max warp-to distance) all that would "solve" is the fact everybody would have to either create or buy new set of beyond-40km instas.
That is, if they don't "fix" warp-to-zero to actually warp you to 0.
Or at least to 500m for stations and 2500m from gates, in the worst case.
I thought that was their original plan, too. Have you tried making a BM next toa gate?
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Quin Tal
Fort Knox Inc
Expeto Libertas Foedus
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:15:00 -
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What I found interesting is that non of my BM's were touched. I only have like 100 instas, and I rarely use em unless in a BS or something, I thought they were all going to get wiped. My warp to 0 on the instas doesnt go to the 12km spot either, it goes directly under the gate. So maybe it isnt using them, but using the location IE Geku -> Uoy.
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Riotgirl Kun
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:16:00 -
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DONT B*TCH!
they helped the carebears again.
and ur still fking whining!
omg. i HATE warp to 0 as now ppl can jsut instajump everytime i'm gatecamping. we can only gank the incoming ships.
its ghey and wrong. BAH
they should have done a skill that made you warp closer to gate or something.
this is wrong in my eyes but heck..
what does everyone care..
i'm just a pirate...
~riot
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Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:17:00 -
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Ha Ha
I reported this to CCP as a 'Bug'...
But Intermittent, sometimes it goes to 0, sometimes 1000-2000, either way its a hellva improvement over 15m..
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Snake Jankins
Minmatar
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 30/11/2006 01:26:10
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Riotgirl Kun
if they delete all instas..
the SSES wil be deleted aswell they wotn dot aht as ppl (liek me) keep bses and other stuff ready in SSES..
would be unfair to just delete them..
~riot
They originally planned to delete everything within 40km or so of gates and stations. They planned this right up till yesterday, when they decided it'd take too long.
I'd be willing to bet after 95% of the EVE population have already cleared their BM folders, they'll do it then to clear the rest.
On top of that they can stop instas working. Every bookmark-warp that ends withing a 10km sphere around the center of the gate gets shortened, so that your warp ends at the intersection point with that sphere. Problem solved. Works with every insta-bm-warp, no matter, if it was made for 15km, 0km or 100km.
For stations the radius needs to be bigger of course.
Then delete all remaining insta bms from the database, because some lazy people might not do it, although they got totally useless. Hand-made insta bms wouldn't be possible anymore.
( edit: Wouldn't need much processing power I think and many checks against different structures. Server needs to find out anyway, in which grid the warp ends. In that grid there is usually only one station or gate, some esceptions ofc. So usually one line with sphere intersection to be calculated, accuracy of that pointless, only a rough approximation needed. No big deal for the server. )
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Draconia Blackheart
Disciples of the Underverse
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Draconia Blackheart on 30/11/2006 01:26:18
Originally by: Riotgirl Kun
DONT B*TCH!
they helped the carebears again.
and ur still fking whining!
omg. i HATE warp to 0 as now ppl can jsut instajump everytime i'm gatecamping. we can only gank the incoming ships.
its ghey and wrong. BAH
they should have done a skill that made you warp closer to gate or something.
this is wrong in my eyes but heck..
what does everyone care..
i'm just a pirate...
~riot
All I have to say .. POOR BABY!!
In the words of your kind *COUGH*....ADAPT!
THE WARP TO ZERO APPRECIATION THEAD!!
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MellaRinn
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
I think its intentional, to prevent 100% guarunteed insta-jumps and insta-docks. IMO, a good thing- and I bet they do wipe everyones BMs ina week or so, when the majority have already done their own. The only reason they didn't do it now is because of the scale of the thing.
doesn't mnatter... the gates and stations have been moved by 15km sideways anyway 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.30 20:01:00 -
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As I was saying before the thread got forgotten... anybody know wether this "warp to 0 NOT warping to zero but instead outside activation range" is a bug or a feature yet ?
If it's a bug, when can we expect an ETA on the fix (and please, others that experience this "problem" give more details too if you can).
If it's a feature... WHY ? All you'd "fix" would be the fact people will start creating BMs even farther away from the gates (even up to 100km away and use warp-to-100 from them) to get away from the "no instas" limitations, as soon as all old BMs are wiped (or even before that).
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Solbright
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Posted - 2006.12.02 13:29:00 -
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It's neither a bug nor a new feature. Warping has always been inaccurate by a km or two.
I agree that warp-to-0 should go further into the gate's bubble. If not, I can see a whole new set of warp-to-0 insta sets being created much quicker than the warp-to-15/20 ones we already have. It's much easier to travel a few clicks inside the gate's bubble and make a new BM there than to travel 10/15km on the other side.
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