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Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.01 13:37:00 - [31] I forgot to add: cheaper clones \o/ In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Mamarto Minmatar Space Raiders	Posted - 2006.12.01 13:40:00 - [32] Likes: New character creation, makes new people more useful. New ships, cause new toys are always good. Warp to 0, travelling jsut got a little less tedious. Rigs, might need to be slightly easier to get a rig production going, but otherwise it's all good. Invention, like the idea but might need to be a little easier as well. New regions, all good, just wish they'd add a load of 01-0.4 space regions as well. Dislike: Seemless map, too slow, just give me something that works without all the bling bling.
Khamal Jolstien	Posted - 2006.12.01 13:59:00 - [33] Don't understand the WCS nerf. Doesn't make sense to nerf something that counters and balances out another tactic.
Taizu Lilith Minmatar Counterglow Kancho Unlimited	Posted - 2006.12.01 14:05:00 - [34] I hate hate the new looting. If I can't figure something out, or if it isn't fixed, I will stop doing missions or something.
Kamazani Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.12.01 14:13:00 - [35] Edited by: Kamazani on 01/12/2006 14:13:51 Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Don't understand the WCS nerf. Doesn't make sense to nerf something that counters and balances out another tactic. okay let me try and paint a picture for yah. take Ginger Magician, he's a well known punk pirate who goes into high sec ganking new players, it's an exploit to evade concord, but Ginger does long range gank sniping with like 6 or 7 WCS's and just when concord shows up he'll just warp away. the WCS nerf was necessary. =) it's meant for courier and all. --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.01 14:15:00 - [36] I don't like the new map very much. I expect it was designed/implemented with one eye on the GFX update to come later. Even so, it's less usable than the previous incarnation, so a step backwards for me. I love warp to 0. Really, it's a killer feature. I can safely say it was the main reason I reactivated my subs yesterday.
Adrian Kerensky Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.01 14:33:00 - [37] Likes: WCS nerf Seemless map Starfield (It changes depending on your position on the mpa, for me it's like a massive cluster of stars on one side of the system since I'm on the outskirts) Warp to 0km (Speeds up my travelling time) Slight ECM nerf Some of the new ships Standings in local (Bye bye obscenely large buddy list ) WCS nerf Dislikes: HP buff Warp to 0km (makes it easier to evade me ) T2 ammo (once again T2 weapons are just slightly better than best named ) HP buff T2 ships having LESS HP than their T1 counterparts in some cases...WTF!? Standings in local (makes scouting stupidly easy) HP buff Originally by: Ebedar Hyperion setup that put out about 1500 DPS, yet it still lost to a ridiculously well well tanked BC. Wrong? Latest Vid: Curses to all
TrippyX The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.01 14:36:00 - [38] Likes: - Warp to 0km - Large Deployable Warp Disruption Bubbles - Rigs - New regions Dislikes: - ECM changes, bit too much of a "nerf" (hate that word), could've been less - Wrecks floating all over space - No bounty on the Drone rats in the new regions
Seishomaru	Posted - 2006.12.01 14:40:00 - [39] hated: wtz (they should have removed all BM and dissalowed to put hem near gates) likes: local change.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.01 14:43:00 - [40] Love: Contracts - can't get enough of them. I even trade between my alts in the same station using the contracts, don't care that it costs me 10,000 every time. It's worth it Gangs - very nicely done Hate: Warp to 0 - CCP sold out :( New map - Even with animation set to "instant", every time i open the map it pivots, swings, rotates, doesn't whatever else before letting me use it... and when i need to quickly get back into the game, the map does the reverse. Very dangerous. Very annoying. And it keep unflattening. In other words: very inconvinient =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Kamazani Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:05:00 - [41] CCP sold out? whatever dude, you are just upset cuz you can't kill someone who doesn't understand BM's. either way the reason for WTZ is quite simply to reduce game play problems such as lag. --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
Sever Aldaria Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:21:00 - [42] Likes: -Warp to 0 -Hurricane -Corp Tracker -Stars in background -Compare feature for items -smooth accelleration when reseting view -Hurricane -tactical system map -faster docking times (& no timer on undocking) -Ecm specialization changes -Rigs Rigs and more Rigs! -Hurricane -Exploration of finding new complexes/escalation/rare roid belts (though I have yet to find any) -Hurricane -Hail buff -WCS nerf -Standings in chat windows Dislikes: -tremor/barrage nerfs -flash of white light when jumping -ctrl + mousewheel or (-) button zooms to system map (anoying) -The Assault (lvl 4 mission) has an accelleration gate placed 120km away from warp in point to the first room so I have to slow boat it in a battleship at 138 m/s (traveled 18 jumps in that time with other character) -Contract system a bit buggy -Local is still here -Difficulty of salvaging enough materials to build rigs -Cov ops cloak cannot be invented (high prices) Not really liking the HP buff (nice for large fleet battles but sucks for small gangs) but I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out. [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further d
Khamal Jolstien	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Kamazani Edited by: Kamazani on 01/12/2006 14:13:51 Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Don't understand the WCS nerf. Doesn't make sense to nerf something that counters and balances out another tactic. okay let me try and paint a picture for yah. take Ginger Magician, he's a well known punk pirate who goes into high sec ganking new players, it's an exploit to evade concord, but Ginger does long range gank sniping with like 6 or 7 WCS's and just when concord shows up he'll just warp away. the WCS nerf was necessary. =) it's meant for courier and all. Then boost the scramblers of concord, don't nerf. And the assumption that WCS is just for courier is incorrect and illogical. There are scramblers, and there are stabilizers. It's not scramblers, and "courier stabilizers". If you're being scrambled, you're supposed to be able to counter with a stabilizer. Now, you're penalized heavily for countering, while the scrambling is not.
Ralara Caldari Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Originally by: Kamazani Edited by: Kamazani on 01/12/2006 14:13:51 Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Don't understand the WCS nerf. Doesn't make sense to nerf something that counters and balances out another tactic. okay let me try and paint a picture for yah. take Ginger Magician, he's a well known punk pirate who goes into high sec ganking new players, it's an exploit to evade concord, but Ginger does long range gank sniping with like 6 or 7 WCS's and just when concord shows up he'll just warp away. the WCS nerf was necessary. =) it's meant for courier and all. Then boost the scramblers of concord, don't nerf. And the assumption that WCS is just for courier is incorrect and illogical. There are scramblers, and there are stabilizers. It's not scramblers, and "courier stabilizers". If you're being scrambled, you're supposed to be able to counter with a stabilizer. Now, you're penalized heavily for countering, while the scrambling is not. But at the same time the "victim" can insta-warp anywhere in the system and assuming they've been clever and fit a couple of nanos, they should be able to turn and warp to 0 before the attacker can lock on and scramble. If you're in a badger or iteron going through low sec/00 without an escort then that's your risk to take. if and when you get caught, that is your fault.
Mr Bright untaught Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:42:00 - [45] What I dislike: How the gave Minmatar the gimpmobile of BS's - when they had tremendous feedback that something was amiss.
Malena Perpetual Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.01 17:42:00 - [46] So I have spent most of the morning making suggestions (hope work isn't tracking my net use!) /whining/complaining depending on your point of view. I just want to say that I do like the attempt at what rigs can do, but the implementation of salvage sucks. I also LOVE the fact that you can no longer type after the chat character limit has been reached. THANK YOU! I would very much like to see an updated known issues page.
Khamal Jolstien	Posted - 2006.12.01 18:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Originally by: Kamazani Edited by: Kamazani on 01/12/2006 14:13:51 Originally by: Khamal Jolstien Don't understand the WCS nerf. Doesn't make sense to nerf something that counters and balances out another tactic. okay let me try and paint a picture for yah. take Ginger Magician, he's a well known punk pirate who goes into high sec ganking new players, it's an exploit to evade concord, but Ginger does long range gank sniping with like 6 or 7 WCS's and just when concord shows up he'll just warp away. the WCS nerf was necessary. =) it's meant for courier and all. Then boost the scramblers of concord, don't nerf. And the assumption that WCS is just for courier is incorrect and illogical. There are scramblers, and there are stabilizers. It's not scramblers, and "courier stabilizers". If you're being scrambled, you're supposed to be able to counter with a stabilizer. Now, you're penalized heavily for countering, while the scrambling is not. But at the same time the "victim" can insta-warp anywhere in the system and assuming they've been clever and fit a couple of nanos, they should be able to turn and warp to 0 before the attacker can lock on and scramble. If you're in a badger or iteron going through low sec/00 without an escort then that's your risk to take. if and when you get caught, that is your fault. Not sure what that has to do with the item balance. You're talking tactics and "ifs", not direct scramble vs. stab. Having nanos and all that isn't part of the equation at all. It simply doesn't make sense to limit the counter to this type of action so severely.
Ras Blumin 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.01 18:32:00 - [48] Edited by: Ras Blumin on 01/12/2006 18:41:14 Originally by: Kamazani okay let me try and paint a picture for yah. take Ginger Magician, he's a well known punk pirate who goes into high sec ganking new players, it's an exploit to evade concord, but Ginger does long range gank sniping with like 6 or 7 WCS's and just when concord shows up he'll just warp away. Concord have known how to warp (or rather teleport) as long as I have been playing. edit - my list like: wtz some of the new gang stuff cheaper clones jav, stab and ecm nerf dislike: bugs hp (+ nos) buff better tanks standings in local somewhat no map on scanner easier probing maelstrom
Frug Caldari Tim Hortons Donuts	Posted - 2006.12.01 18:37:00 - [49] Like: Starfield is awesome and immersive. Clicking the map and seeing the starfield turn into the map makes me gleeful and makes the universe feel solid. It reinforces Eve's "one universe" concept. New ships. Standings in local chat. More HP. New character creation process. Dislike: Their implementation of... Everything. Everything they implemented is half assed and generally broken. The gang system, the wrecks (what a stupid screw up), the unoptimized optimizations, the map, even the new character creation process has (minor) bugs and that's an interface I could code myself when I was 14. Unsure: Warp to 0. I could think of other solutions to dissuade people from using instas. I like having warp to 0, but I don't know if it was a good choice for the bigger picture. New chars with 800k sp. That's a bit much. New gang system. It's a start but seriously, I hope that's not the final product because it's still garbage. All in all, what feels like a beta that got released under the guise of a final product. I would have preferred that they solidify everything before adding more. We were promised massive bug fixes and optimizations and we got another house of cards.
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.01 19:14:00 - [50] Likes: More eye candy everywhere. New Scan System. WT0. 1 active trial account active at a time. New Ships. Exploration...I think. Dislikes/LOATHING: Same old irritating, buggy forum. Contracts UI borked, difficult to find anything specific, no search, no all region search. Borked/counterintuitive Contracts = worse Hubs. Invention = stfu you unlucky morons, heres a bone.(a small pathetic, dirty, fragile, hard to find unnourishing one.) Limited if any T2 Market effect with nasty Skill requirements. More crashes due to Dual Core?, used to be fine for me. Wrecks/loot...no clue how this bs got past them. Etc.
Caine 607 Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.01 19:48:00 - [51] Edited by: Caine 607 on 01/12/2006 19:58:15 LIKE 1) Seamless Map 2) Warp to 0 concept 3) Salvaging concept 4) Rigs concept 5) Agents finally NOT giving the same mission twice !!! DISLIKE 1) WCS Nerf 2) Autopilot not using Warp to 0 3) New ESCROW 'Contracts' being limited to 1 region search 4) The fact that wrecks don't pop when empty (Makes post-mission looting extremely confusing and tedious !) 5) Unequal HP boost to ships (especialy T2) 6) Noobs being given 800K starter SP and only needing basic learning skills 4 to move on to Advanced
Justen Kase	Posted - 2006.12.01 20:13:00 - [52] Likes: Warp to 0 New Ships Corp Tracker Stars in background Compare feature for items Smooth acceleration when resetting view Standings in chat windows Contracts û havenÆt used them myself yet but my corp mates are lovinÆ them Game looks ôbetterö Game feels ôsnappierö, more responsive Neutral: New map Dislikes: WCS ônerfö Flash of white light when jumping û SERIOUSLY, I am getting a HEADACHE WCS ônerfö Wrecks WCS ônerfö - stop catering to player rats New Scanner WCS ônerfö - every weapon system should have a counter WCS ônerfö - need to stop player rats ganking in high sec BOOST CONCORD abilities, donÆt take defensive abilities from players! WCS ônerfö - Rollback to pre-patch conditions seeing a trend? NEEDS: Consent to PVP flag Details: Overall: - Warp to zero is the big win but didnÆt require a major release - everything else is of mediocre value with some grave mistakes. White Light Flash: û JUST SAY NO! ThereÆs no other way DEVsàtake this outànowàbefore someone gets hurt or has a seizureàor files a lawsuità Wrecks: û this whole thing makes missions WAY too tedious as there is no way to tell what wrecks contain loot or have been searched. IÆm getting to the point after a few hours of play where I am just killing ships and moving on w/o looting because the time investment is too much. Try looting lvl III Mordus HeadhuntersàI almost went insane!!!! Even after I get salvaging trained, IÆll need to run mission and come back with another salvage cruiser before I turn the mission in to agent. Suggestions: different symbol when wreck contains loot different symbol when wreck has been looted rollback to old system of loot cans WCS nerf: - what can I say û this is pure BS catering to the player rats, it is not a fix for high sec ganking as the OBVIOUS solution to that is to give Concord 100 points of scramble and watch them grind the ganking fer into thin red paste. IMHO û CCP catered to Player rat/PvP bullies that want easy killing of other players SHAME on CCP û No PvP without consent!! Here are the suggested fixes for this situation: Rollback to pre-patch WCS (un-nerf them) Remove both scramblers and WCS from game (Poof! Magic!) Apply an equivalent or harsher penalty to scramblers PVP Consent flag (y/n)àIÆll deal with this in another thread so we stay on topicà Thank you again for Warp To Zero and for fixing the can renaming/overview not refreshing bugàthose two are worth their weight in morphite! Anyway thatÆs my opinion
Caedicus Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.01 20:15:00 - [53] LIKE: -The huge HP boost to BC's -The general HP/Cap boost -Most Wanted Board (is even new in Revelations?) DON'T MIND: -WTZ, only because CCP gave more tools for pirates to find people -Seamless map, although it's not as good as I expected. Gates are hard to right-click and jump from the map. Not entirely "seamlesss". But I like the system map. -Rigs -Contracts DISLIKE: -The looting of wrecks. It's the biggest pain in the ass ever.
X3vious	Posted - 2006.12.01 21:17:00 - [54] Like: -Warp to 0 -Enhanced local dislike - non changing wreck colours - the whiners on these forums - play like i play - NERF NERF NERF ;-)
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.01 21:21:00 - [55] I changed my mind about the map and zoom. Seems region lines don't show correctly when I'm docked, but they do when I'm in space. So if I un-dock to plot my course or view the map, it's all good (and I like it!).
0August0 Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.01 21:36:00 - [56] Likes: Warp to 0 Standings in local Dislikes: The new map. Scan buff . . . Regards, August
Isotobe Caldari Singularity.	Posted - 2006.12.01 21:39:00 - [57] Hates: New map Radar scanner taken away White flash when you jump Camera reset every jump New skills (like we dont have enough frigging skills to train already, now I have to train more to do what I could do before, really poor idea and a bloody timesink that is starting to really **** me off) Salvage - type of drops and number (I reall love the idea of salvage, alas I dont think it will be worth the time spent to get one rig worth of stuff, so far I spent around 8 hours game time to get around a third of a rig's worth - some types of component have not even dropped yet ) Contract system (I might get used to it, undecided yet, just seems alot of glitz where escrow was clear and easy to find what you wanted) Likes: HP boost Exploration feature Warp to 0 New content with some really good ideas Everything else not mentioned above Summary: Props to CCP for thinking this out and giving us some really good content. I am hoping for some tweaks and shall then re-consider the above once they have been put into place. I would really hope the point about new skills and the timesink caused is given some consideration. It sometimes feels like you just about get to where you want to be, only to find you just got shafted and have another few months of training to do to get you back to where you were. Not good. Finally, I hope CCP keep things simple, while the temptation is always there to make things look pretty, and add more and more features and options, one of the main things I like about EVE, and the thing that keeps me here, is functional way things work. I think we are starting to move away from that, again not good. My 10p worth
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:02:00 - [58] Edited by: Nicocat on 01/12/2006 22:04:33 <3: -Inertia stabs. These things are sick. -Hurricane. I don't care if it's nerfed, it's a BC (my favorite class), it's beefy, it's got a Ruppy's bonuses. <3 <3 <3 -Stupid people. HP bonuses, warp to 0, all this crap to help people and they're still dumb. Thus, it helps me more ;) -STAB NERF! WOOOOO! Mother***** WOO! -Destroyer/Dictor/BC HP buff. With a ridiculous amount of HP over the normal buff, they're finally viable in battle. -New scanner. The little map being gone makes the scanner take up less space to see the name, description, and possibly distance of an enemy. -T2 nerf. I like it, I like having less of a gap and more situational usage of T2 stuff. </3: -The map. I set it to instantly bring up, but it's still slower'n **. And jittery while it reorients itself. -Rigs. I expected these to be something everyone can get, and easily, making every ship customized, and thus making PvP unpredictable again. Making them on par with faction items in terms of rarity is a sad thing indeed. -Invention. Incredibly hard and too much effort for too little gains. -New scanner. The loss of the little radar makes it tough to determine what you can and cannot see from your current scan spot. See first point about using the system map. ---------------------------- Buying Sabres. EVEmail or convo me in game!
Daar United Alliance Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2006.12.01 22:09:00 - [59] I like: - warp to 0 - rigs seem cool, tho I don't have one yet I dislike: - WCS nerf is a bit too much imo... It was needed, yes, but now it seems overkill. - Warp to 0 doesn't always work (in case of stations, it sometimes drops me 1K from the station) - Bugged scanner (directional) - Bugged map (instant animation doesn't work, won't remember to flatten the map) - Lack of small map for directional scanner (yes, F11 exists now, but it's not the same) - Lame probing method (too easy). ------- Daar Free will is an illusion...

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