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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:36:00 -
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nor are they EW ships either...
So right about that !
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.03 02:17:00 -
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as Kole44 said alot of people have spet along time at Training such skills for ships like the falcon and rook where as at this point its a total waste of time i my self fly a rook and even that with Faction jammers and officer jammers it couldnt jam a scorp even once! and that is supposted to be the top JAmming ship ,, my advice to wannable jammer pilots out there is dont bother training for fancy ships like the falcon or rook .. buy a griffin it can't jam just like a falcon or a rook and takes less time ...
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.03 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Wingpop on 03/12/2006 19:25:34
I also have recon 5 and use expensive jammers "officer and faction" and it does seem off ! alot ,,, ECM isnt right at all Ecm ships are totally useless like LOC said " if they cant support them selfs how the hell can they support a fleet ?
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.03 20:24:00 -
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Jamming was too easy before, and the amount of skill needed is still less to get perfect jamming than a perfect gunboat.
No offence but i have MAXED out jamming skills i have recon 5,signal dispersion 5,EW 5,Frequency modulation 5,Etc etc..So you could say PERFECT jamming skills and i cant keep a cruiser jammed.(by on the rook thats also with officer multi specs and faction)
so just think if you cant jam a cruiser perm with maxed out skills With out putting multiple modules on them and they have no ECCM then when it comes to fleets what the hell u gonna do ? apart from die ? multiple targets and if they have eccm then you may as well right mouse and self destruct speed the process up :)
The other things is you get people that go use racials ? then what the hell is the point of Multi specs ?
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.04 06:19:00 -
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Tuxfords blog > They are very powerful and can lockdown multiple opponents but they are very vulnerable. Anyone that has failed a jam in one of these ships knows how fast they go down
Translation> They are supposted to be very powerful and can lockdown 1 cruiser if your lucky but i wouldnt hold your breath and they are very vulnerable. Anyone that has failed a jam in one of these ships knows how fast they go down now with no tank, hehe
Fix Ecm Ships !
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:31:00 -
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The role of a ECM specialist is dead, because who in there right mind would skill for so long for something that doesnt work ? Its like skilling for tech 2 missles getting the lauchers but not having the skills for the missile!
Ecm ships such as the scorp/Rook/Falcon/BlackBird were fine before kali thay held a vital part of fleet combat which inho is a double edged sword when it comes flying ecm ships , every single Ecm pilot knows your usally the first to be called as a primary in a fleet engagement!
when it comes to soloing in such ships and im talking about pre kali because now it couldnt solo a Frig. Ships such as the scorp and rook they were good but took a decayed to kill a single target! But look at other tier 1 Bs now and before like the Dominix doesnt have a problem engaging multiple targets on its own and usally coming out the victor ! its a very versitile ship! taking away jamming from it did nothing to it but free mids for more toys ! instead with taking such abilitys from non caldari ships you in turn have killed the ships with deadicated ECM bonuses as well!
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Wingpop on 04/12/2006 20:03:34
Signal Strengh means little theys days as JAmming is chance based ! or a SCorp with 24 or a rook with 32 would perma jam anything lower ! with EASE ! but in practice it doesnt ! And it Certainly would be intresting to hear from tuxford but will never happen !
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:28:00 -
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I know what i was trying to say was at some point it was like that then they changed it to chance system % as i believe!
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.05 01:00:00 -
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I Totally agree
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.05 02:29:00 -
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i Mean god damn it takes ccp 5 days to fix probes lol so god help ECM !
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.05 04:40:00 -
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I totally agree a ship setup shouldn't be based on if you can get the rigs or not! thats like saying my raven has massive DPS but i cant get launchers !
I just hope someone is listening to us all !
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.06 03:34:00 -
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Something needs doing baout the current state because 85% maybe more of caldari ships are useless now can you say heros to zeros over night !
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.06 17:28:00 -
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I find it funny reading the last few pages you can tell who actual flys and who doesnt fly ecm ships !
ECm ships are useless simple as my BAttleship cant jam a Cruiser ! either soemthings wrong or the nerf went too far, sorry but ECM is our main bonus its like making ravnes missiles Chanced based it just wont happen ! so why nerf ECM ships them selfs it was non ecm that needed nerfing. |
Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.06 22:40:00 -
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ECM is now quite well balanced
thats the Funnyest thing ive heard !!!
Tonight while at a friends a blob squad tryed to gank him ! in his Raven the Squad consisted of a " Brutix,Thorax,Thorax,Ferox,Vexor the brutix had 1 multi spec and the vexor did too ! LET ME point out non of theys ships are get ECM bonuses ships!!! and they cycle jammed my friends raven 5 times !!!! where 1 scorp with 6 multis couldnt jam him once !!! and we kepted the 6 multis while testing going for over 10mins and only got 2 jams ! where as a non jamming ship within a 4 min engagement kept the raven jammed perm with 2 multis!!! on a non ecm ship!!! WHAT THE F**K is that about ?
SERIOUSLY ECM NEEDS TO BE FIXED and made just for ECM dedicated ships !!! that will fix the ecm on every ship problem that was happening before !!!
PS: They still died  ,
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.06 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Wingpop on 06/12/2006 22:55:16
Edited by: Commander Wingpop on 06/12/2006 22:52:18
NO what im saying is ECM at this point is Messed up big time !!!!!! what im sayign is dedicated ECM ships are crap !!! there bonus means nothin !!! and the nerf of non ECM ships didnt do the job ! it only made the people that specialize and ships designed to jam TOtally useless !!! what i was trying to say was what tuxford said about why the nerf happen ! to take ECM off everyone !! but tonights little party just shows it aint ! and if you flew a ECM dedicated ship like most who have replyed you would see how they suck now right now !!! its like a domi gettign no bonus to drones !
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.09 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sol Mortis
I fly a rook, with skills being recon: 4, signal dispersion: 4, all other ECM skills are 4. I certainly haven't maxed out my ECM skills, but they are quite high. I've only had my rook for a little under three months, and I have a couple scorps and countless blackbirds scattered all over. All of these ships are now worthless to me.
I am sick of reading posts from characters who have never flown a Blackbird, Scorpion, Rook, or Falcon fitted for Ewar. These people go out in their Domis and luck-jam every so often with a multi thinking "oh, so it must be this easy in an Ewar ship" ignoring the fact that an ewar ship lacks a decent tank or any means of inflicting damage.
Flying electronic warfare is one of the most nerve-wracking experiences in the game, as it is the only chance-governed role in the game. Flying in a rook is high stakes; with the cost of a fitted ship often exceeding 200mil, the durability of an egg, and the only defense (and offense) working ~40% of the time at best. Jamming was already like playing Russian Roulette only with the gun pointed at somebody else, but at least it was a .38 caliber revolver. Now it is like Russian Roulette with a cap gun.
Here is a challenge to all the trolls who have never flown an ewar ship. Take your favorite ship, whatever it may be, and fit only weapons onto it. No tank, no dampers, no ecm, just empty mids and lows. Now fly that ship and understand what it feels like for you offense to be your only defense. Now imagine flying this same setup, only halve your dps, and your shots only hit about 50% of the time. Feel our pain.
I spent half the frelling summer training up for the !@#$%^& Rook and now it is a roid with engines.
I couldn't of said it better my self. HATS OF TOO U DUDE !!!!
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:43:00 -
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I mean No offense darkelf but you were asking for the smack ! you did come on to a ECM jamming post and kinda have ago. Ive known you along time and i know your hate ECM but how many times have you asked for ECM support.. How many times have i helped you out of a situation,
ECM plays a part in combat even if you Hate it! and i do agree when the game changes you adapt, there is something way wrong with ECM at the min.
Ive flown Ecm Ships alot as you know .. and when it comes to a vexor that jams a Domi with 2 cycles (one after the other) and a scorp that cant jam a vaga something is wrong !!! its a joke but since the launch of kali ive been jammed more times by NON jamming ships then ever before !!! the Nerf only F***ED up DEDICATED ecm ships. which are useless now.
For example Dark many a time youve Gone i have 2 ravans and a domi blah blah .. need your scorp .. but now it wont be coming out of the hanger till something changes !
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i have flown ecm ships for a very long time
Not since Kali tho m8 way before if i remember right !
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.14 21:38:00 -
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Come on give us a offical reply!!! because as it stands ECM ship aint work buying or flyin
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Commander Wingpop
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Posted - 2006.12.16 18:16:00 -
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ITs funny you can always tell who doesnt fly ecm ships !
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Sounds like a lot of people that got used to ecm being the I-Win button, now that its the I-Sometimes-Win button they are whining...
has anyone ever thought that ecm isnt the problem, i mean look at it this way a scorp couldnt take another bs on its own or it would take days ... its the ships or friends the scorp has that takes you down , yeah your jammed for 20s (maybe) enough friends would kill any ship in that! but scorpion on its own wouldnt !
all eves turning in to is tank and gank, its not tactics anymore its who has the most friends and best tank! ecm played a vital part of tactics before kali i mean how many of you while scanning out a fleet saw a scorp in the fleet and then thought twice about it ! or getting a scorp on your side to counter it!
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They're primary in a fleet, because they _might_ put 6 ships out of the fight for 20s before they die. Realistically, it's more like 2, and far more often than I like none at all.
as any fleet commander knows when you call out a primary its usally jammers first or damage dealers! and look at how fast a scorp would drop pre kali and now look at it !
Ecm needs sorting i my self fly many ships and since kalis launch havent undocked a dedicated ECM ship once ! just because the scorp couldnt jam when its life depended on it !
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