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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.12.03 03:54:00 -
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The Scorp needs 20% per level to ECM strength then all will be right in the world.
 Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.03 17:44:00 -
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You have to set your jamming ships up to jam now, its as simple as that.
The Scorp is slightly underpowered I reckon, this could be resolved by increasing the bonus to 20% per level or by providing the Scorpion with an extra lowslot so it can properly take advantage of the new ECM damage mods.
The other tier I BS's have 1 more slot than the Scorpion anyway (apart from the Domi which is pretty good already ;E ).
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
ECM is dead. And I forecasted this after very first patch on Sisi, where Tux "forgot" to add ECM bonus to ECM ships. It is honest to remove all Caldari ECM ships from the game.
It's not dead ffs, its just a hell of alot more specialised!
Sure it needs tweaking but this is as good and as balanced as its ever been, we just need the Scorpion boost!
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:27:00 -
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Well if you truly have all that then you should be of a comparable of not better level than you were in RMR.
I will concede that its the rigs and the SDA's that will make the ship though. You've just got to give it time and wait for the rigs to become a common commodity.
Even without the rigs a Rook with your skills and officer modules is a completely formidable ECM platform. You must be talking almost a 50% chance with all that fitted. Probably a jam strength of around 13-14 with racials? Thats a 50-60% chance to jam a battleship.
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:48:00 -
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Yes, my alt is of a similar level as yourself but I don't have any fancy modules.
What I know is that on my Rook I can fit 2 ECM rigs and 2 SDA II's and achieve a racial ECM strength of a little over 14 points. A Rokh has a sensor strength of 24 - At optimal Rook range thats 14/24 = 0.583 or a 58% chance of a successful jam against that ship.
Have I tried it? Yes, I probably achieved around 1 jam from 2.5 cycles on average. This suggests that there is another factor coming into play other than the straight division. To this day I still don't know what it is.
(Yes I've tried it at close range and smack bang within the middle of my optimal)
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Wingpop
Edited by: Commander Wingpop on 04/12/2006 20:03:34
Signal Strengh means little theys days as JAmming is chance based ! or a SCorp with 24 or a rook with 32 would perma jam anything lower ! with EASE ! but in practice it doesnt ! And it Certainly would be intresting to hear from tuxford but will never happen !
You're looking at the wrong number dude, the ECM ships sensor strength has nothing to do with its ability to jam.
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.18 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Trillian Mcmillan
Edited by: Trillian Mcmillan on 17/12/2006 21:29:10
Originally by: Aramendel
Now, when I use ECM I play russian roulette to some extend in every combat. Which sucks. But the problem is: the effect of ECM is plain out too strong to make it reliable. Because then you would have en EW system which works reliable gainst everything vs 3 other systems which work reliable only against a few targets.
The only way for ECM to loose it's randomness is to change it's effect to something else which isn't effective vs everything.
Ok..
It was my understanding that cladari are meant to have the most powerfull form of ewar. It seems to be a matter of CCP design. A few thigns point to this, for example:
1. compare the four "basic" ewar ships. The blackbird, the celestis, the arbitrator and the bellicose. I wont get into the bellicose. We all know its... lacking. It deserves a thread of its own. Now the remaining three. We can all agree that as far as ewar goes its ECM>dampeners>TDs. Lets looks at these ships and ignore their ewar component. Without ewar the blackbird is clearly the weakest ship. For arguments sake lets assume they all tank equally well (personally i think the bb bites the bullet here too but this can be argued). Both the celestis and the arbitrator have some dps to speak of. The celestis gets a hybrid dmg bonus and a decent dronebay (40m). The arbitrator gets a huge dronebay(75m) and a dmg/hp bonus to its drones effectivly making it into a vexor with an ewar bonus. The balckbird has no dmg bonus and no drone bay.
Conclusion: EWAR asaide, the BB is the weakest of these cruisers and the arbitrator is the most powerfull. This is exact relation to the strenght of ewar systems they are meant to carry. The weakest ship gets the most powerfull system and the strongest ship gets the weakest system.
2. The caldari are the only race to get a dedicated EWAR battleship
3. Caldari recons exclusively focus on their ewar system. Other races recons get powerfull secondary ewar system bonuses in addition to their racial system. These being the scramblers on gallente, the nosferatus on amarr and the webbers on minmatar.
From these points i can only conclude that ECm is suppoused to be stronger than other races ewar by the original ccp design which probably blends into some greater balance scheme.
Now if you disagree with this... It is a matter waaaaaaaay beyond the scope of the problem which this thread adresses.
The thread is suppoused to be about balancing certain ships. Not ECM in genreal. ECM was nerfed. ECM ships got a slight boost. In my opinion, as a dedicated ECM pilot, this boost is nowhere near enough and these ships are currently not worth flying.
Put it into words perfectly.
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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