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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:55:19 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: I decced them Lan. I wasn't paid to dec them all it took was for me to see one flying around. I wasn't told to dec this corp. We killed a shitton of small **** and left it at that. The corp literally had one of the top ten new member growth on EVE-Who. Thats why they were decced so much. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Jarlhettur's%20Drop
Look at that growth. 100 members right at the start. And triples less than a month,
So because they were a rapidly growing newbro corp they became a big juicy easy target.
You see this is the main reason I've never liked killmails.
Before killmails (other MMOs) PvPers tended to PvP for the fun and skill of it. But when killmails were introduced a lot of peoples attitudes changed and it became more about adding another notch to your belt and of course easy kills is a faster way to do that.
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Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:01:48 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:This. Is. Not. A Padding corp though.
How do you know?
Valkin Mordirc wrote:There is no proof that it's a god damn padding corp. OP made that statement. And did not supply a burden of truth. WHY should I believe them when they can't even back up there own statements?
As a mere player I'm afraid that's out of my remit, which is why it's in the hands of the GMs.
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Valkin Mordirc
1324
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:01:59 -
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Avvy wrote:
So because they were a rapidly growing newbro corp they became a big juicy easy target.
You see this is the main reason I've never liked killmails.
Before killmails (other MMOs) PvPers tended to PvP for the fun and skill of it. But when killmails were introduced a lot of peoples attitudes changed and it became more about adding another notch to your belt and of course easy kills is a faster way to do that.
Yeah pretty much. Im not saying they are not.
And you are right, Padding does happen. But I've never seen it done to this extent.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
55
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:02:13 -
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Why would I care about that in any sort of way.
Fact remains as is: entities who dec a corp that gobbles up 0 day players and then somehow defend their actions are fcking terrible. Especially so when they come up with the "we got a contract" lollage.
I don't care who does it or what excuse they have for it and this whole "for the betterment of newbies", while it can can very well be true (I've taught many of my WT how to avoid/escape me), that kinds stops making sense once people start killing true rookies who don't even know the fcking basics. |

Valkin Mordirc
1324
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:04:31 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:This. Is. Not. A Padding corp though. How do you know? Valkin Mordirc wrote:There is no proof that it's a god damn padding corp. OP made that statement. And did not supply a burden of truth. WHY should I believe them when they can't even back up there own statements? As a mere player I'm afraid that's out of my remit, which is why it's in the hands of the GMs.
How do you know?
You made the statement. Don't come at me like, How do you know they aren't a padding corp even though I totally said they were one.
You made the Statement, show your burden of proof. Or shut up.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
55
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:06:10 -
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Avvy wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote: I decced them Lan. I wasn't paid to dec them all it took was for me to see one flying around. I wasn't told to dec this corp. We killed a shitton of small **** and left it at that. The corp literally had one of the top ten new member growth on EVE-Who. Thats why they were decced so much. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Jarlhettur's%20Drop
Look at that growth. 100 members right at the start. And triples less than a month, So because they were a rapidly growing newbro corp they became a big juicy easy target. You see this is the main reason I've never liked killmails. Before killmails (other MMOs) PvPers tended to PvP for the fun and skill of it. But when killmails were introduced a lot of peoples attitudes changed and it became more about adding another notch to your belt and of course easy kills is a faster way to do that.
We've had killboards for over a decade now, so nothing really new there. |

Valkin Mordirc
1326
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:11:23 -
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Yeah Whatever Tib. You can hold your idea of E-honour as much as you want.
I've strayed from my point, with you. Didn't actually mean to. Honestly more concered about the bullshit padding crap being peddled out.
However, my beliefs in as a sandbox. Villains should be allowed to be villains newbies, should be protected. But if they join a player made corp. Welcome to the EVE.
Blame the CEO. Not DWA,
And I leave that, as that.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:20:14 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Avvy wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote: I decced them Lan. I wasn't paid to dec them all it took was for me to see one flying around. I wasn't told to dec this corp. We killed a shitton of small **** and left it at that. The corp literally had one of the top ten new member growth on EVE-Who. Thats why they were decced so much. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Jarlhettur's%20Drop
Look at that growth. 100 members right at the start. And triples less than a month, So because they were a rapidly growing newbro corp they became a big juicy easy target. You see this is the main reason I've never liked killmails. Before killmails (other MMOs) PvPers tended to PvP for the fun and skill of it. But when killmails were introduced a lot of peoples attitudes changed and it became more about adding another notch to your belt and of course easy kills is a faster way to do that. We've had killboards for over a decade now, so nothing really new there.
Must be showing my age, still doesn't alter the fact with killmails a lot of peoples attitudes changed.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
55
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:24:40 -
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I never said anything about padding but then again: targeting rookie corps is, effectively, padding.
I've decced many corps who happened to also have newbies in it who did end up getting killed, but specifically deccing a newbie corp; one that recruits from career systems? Bah. |

Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
55
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:26:35 -
[190] - Quote
Avvy wrote:Must be showing my age, still doesn't alter the fact with killmails a lot of peoples attitudes changed.
The info is now easier to access and killboards have become better at giving us extra intel in regards to corps/groups stats, but it probably also is just an awareness thing.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2315
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:28:27 -
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At least there's some entertainment on the forums during these long nights at work. Sadly, I have no more popcorn.
What I'm finding ironic is the two different newbie corps and how they've both reacted in polar opposite ways to being decced. One of them fights back after and during having the holy howling hell stomped out of them by a few merc alliances.
The other appears to be fighting back via the forums by way of a 3rd party throwing out some strange ideas and drumming up public awareness to their plight in the process. 'Save the children!', of course, is a popular response.
While most of the 'save the children' crew do agree that what's happening to both corps is 'terrible', the thread about corp #1 isn't ballooning into a threadnaught in their defense... it's actually mostly full of people giving them props for trying and learning and doing it right.
Yet here we are, two minutes from going full Ripard Teg.
I'll give you a hint as to why their CEO has no killboard.. mind you it's just pure observation, but I've never seen him undock. Until there's killing in stations I imagine that will not change much.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
55
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:30:25 -
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One of them probably has more alts, the other more actual newbies. |

Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:30:48 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Thorlund Amatin wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:This. Is. Not. A Padding corp though. How do you know? Valkin Mordirc wrote:There is no proof that it's a god damn padding corp. OP made that statement. And did not supply a burden of truth. WHY should I believe them when they can't even back up there own statements? As a mere player I'm afraid that's out of my remit, which is why it's in the hands of the GMs. How do you know? You made the statement. Don't come at me like, How do you know they aren't a padding corp even though I totally said they were one. You made the Statement, show your burden of proof. Or shut up.
At the risk of sounding pedantic, I said it looks to me like the corp was created as a trap, not that it definitely was. I can't know for sure, I merely voiced my suspicion. Unlike you, who declared "this is not a padding corp", even though you supposedly know as much as I do. The GMs will find the truth of it.
Your conduct in this thread has been rather hostile and aggressive. Chill, man. |

Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:31:18 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:I never said anything about padding but then again: targeting rookie corps is, effectively, padding.
I've decced many corps who happened to also have newbies in it who did end up getting killed, but specifically deccing a newbie corp; one that recruits from career systems? Bah.
Nothing wrong with killing new players if they're in a corp. you are at war with. Even new players that roam around on their own.
But what you don't want to be doing is farming new players specifically.
But anyway hopefully CCP will get to the bottom of it.
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Valkin Mordirc
1327
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:40:55 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:
At the risk of sounding pedantic, I said it looks to me like the corp was created as a trap, not that it definitely was. I can't know for sure, I merely voiced my suspicion. Unlike you, who declared "this is not a padding corp", even though you supposedly know as much as I do. The GMs will find the truth of it.
Your conduct in this thread has been rather hostile and aggressive. Chill, man.
Yeah you're right, But
It's just who I am and how I talk. I've always been this way. Sorry if it bothers you but I won't change the way I've posted here like this for a while, just because it gets some people in a knicker, doesn't really concern me.
You started the shitstorm of people rampaging off with that suspicion.
I'm just trying to get people to understand that it's just that.
Quote: This corp is only 5 months old, and yet it has 8 completed wars and 3 active wars. It looks to me as if this corp has been created entirely as a trap for new players so that wardeccers can get easy kills.
Also that quote of you? Suspicion are not. You made a statement with no facts. No idea of what was happening. Now you have painted DWA, who as I said before, go out their way to help newbies, as shittlers who pad K/B and a newbies expense. They are not that.
They were paid for a contract to dec them. They are doing what they set out in EVE to do. I don't care if you want to be mad at them for killing new players. My opinions on that are for another topic. But you went out of your way, to call them out.
Without evidence and you said you couldn't provide evidence and refused to change your post.
If I didn't know any better you did exactly to start the shitstorm.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2315
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:41:08 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:One of them probably has more alts, the other more actual newbies.
You may be right about that, but I couldn't tell you for sure which. The one that's been flailing about in Amarr space has a mixed composition from what my spais inform me. Probably 90+% of the corp is less than a month old, most seem to be between a week and three weeks old now. Now mind you, said corp is over twice the size of the other one. I have less intel on the current corp of discussion. Mostly due to laziness on my part, but also because they seem less interesting.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Valkin Mordirc
1327
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:44:29 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:One of them probably has more alts, the other more actual newbies. You may be right about that, but I couldn't tell you for sure which. The one that's been flailing about in Amarr space has a mixed composition from what my spais inform me. Probably 90+% of the corp is less than a month old, most seem to be between a week and three weeks old now. Now mind you, said corp is over twice the size of the other one. I have less intel on the current corp of discussion. Mostly due to laziness on my part, but also because they seem less interesting.
You talking about the streamers corp aye?
I believe it's just a bunch of his subscribers on alt accounts. When I watched the fight there seemed to be a few people who knew what was happening, but the majority of them didn't have clue. If they did that fight would've gone a lot quicker with more than just a loki lost.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2315
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:46:54 -
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Yeah, those guys. I like them. Most of them have no clue, but they're trying new things and derping a lot. Importantly, they're having fun doing it. There was much screaming at the screen while watching their battles. Also plenty of stupid grins, it was just fun to watch em discover new stuff. I really do kind of envy them.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Valkin Mordirc
1327
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:50:34 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Yeah, those guys. I like them. Most of them have no clue, but they're trying new things and derping a lot. Importantly, they're having fun doing it. There was much screaming at the screen while watching their battles. Also plenty of stupid grins, it was just fun to watch em discover new stuff. I really do kind of envy them.
Not trying to derail the thread.
But when they undocked the legion and the guy said,
"Whats a Legion? Oh it's just the destroyer"
I spilt my coffee on my new desk. =(
That's honestly what keeps people in the game though.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6714
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:57:42 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the proof is a killboard full of rookies being shot and a ceo with no history and a 0% tax rate used to recruit them. doesnt take a genius to see that mercs are killing rookies for whatever reason.
No, you are jumping to a very elaborate conclusion with very limited data. There is nothing here that conclusively proves that is what is happening, and you are making assumptions are you saying zkillboard is lying and this is all a conspiracy?
No, I'm saying it's INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE. Try reading.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:58:22 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: Yeah you're right, But It's just who I am and how I talk. I've always been this way. Sorry if it bothers you but I won't change the way I've posted here like this for a while, just because it gets some people in a knicker, doesn't really concern me. You started the shitstorm of people rampaging off with that suspicion. I'm just trying to get people to understand that it's just that. Quote: This corp is only 5 months old, and yet it has 8 completed wars and 3 active wars. It looks to me as if this corp has been created entirely as a trap for new players so that wardeccers can get easy kills.
Also that quote of you? Suspicion are not. You made a statement with no facts. No idea of what was happening. Now you have painted DWA, who as I said before, go out their way to help newbies, as shittlers who pad K/B and a newbies expense. They are not that. They were paid for a contract to dec them. They are doing what they set out in EVE to do. I don't care if you want to be mad at them for killing new players. My opinions on that are for another topic. But you went out of your way, to call them out. Without evidence and you said you couldn't provide evidence and refused to change your post. If I didn't know any better you did exactly to start the shitstorm.
Not 'in a knicker' whatever that means, I'm merely making an observation of your behaviour.
Erm, I did point out that that alliance wasn't the only one to dec them. You'd have known that if you'd managed to read the first two pages. |

Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
55
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Posted - 2015.07.31 10:02:18 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Yeah, those guys. I like them.
That corp is as full of newbies as BNI was, not very much. In this case it'll have many new characters posing as newbies who:
a) are restarts from people who are new/bad at EVE but restarts nonetheless so they have *some* idea and are less inclined to go ape **** over some cheapo ship loss (as they didn't have to work for it that much)
b) alts for nefarious purposes who need to have a believable corp history
c) a very few amount of experienced folks who are genuinely trying to get something started at a corp/alliance level
d) spies
e) spies feeding the corp mistaken info to get them killed
f) corp thieves
g) awoxers (if applicable)
Only a minority will be actual, true newbies. |

Yoo Eet Mikakka
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.07.31 10:26:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Yoo Eet Mikakka wrote:Just another example of how pathetic the players of this game are.
I undocked from the career agent station on day 1 with my new Merlin, and received a duel invite from a Rokh sitting on the undock. Really dude? Sitting on the undock of a starter system station, trying to trick newbs in crap-fit frigates to fight your battleship. That's petitionable, CCP comes down like a tonne of bricks on people who do crap like that. Tricking newbies into fights in the starter and tutorial systems is something they frown upon very deeply; wardeccing a player corp is fair game, regardless of its composition or the members locations, it's an intended mechanic.
I didn't say it was illegal. I said it was pathetic. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1000
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Posted - 2015.07.31 11:19:27 -
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I had a look at DWA a while back, they had war decced an ally of ours and had killed the CEO of that corp which was impressive as he is pretty good, so to be blunt it would surprise me a lot that they would do something like that.
The only doubt is I have is that Kaauros used to be in DWA.
Ella's Snack bar. With all the data supplied on API/CREST the game should be renamed to Jabber Online, look something to kill, ping everyone!!!!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11078
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Posted - 2015.07.31 11:24:14 -
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Dracvlad wrote:I had a look at DWA a while back, they had war decced an ally of ours and had killed the CEO of that corp which was impressive as he is pretty good, so to be blunt it would surprise me a lot that they would do something like that.
The only doubt is I have is that Kaauros used to be in DWA. he was, briefly.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13898
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Posted - 2015.07.31 12:08:34 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dracvlad wrote:I had a look at DWA a while back, they had war decced an ally of ours and had killed the CEO of that corp which was impressive as he is pretty good, so to be blunt it would surprise me a lot that they would do something like that.
The only doubt is I have is that Kaauros used to be in DWA. he was, briefly.
Yep, got booted for inactivity, which was fine with me considering it was a medical emergency involving my at the time pregnant wife.
Ya'll are some good dudes, and I had lots of fun.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2317
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Posted - 2015.07.31 12:34:04 -
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Apparently we're now up to two trainees from the baby seal herd. Sweet.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13898
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Posted - 2015.07.31 12:43:30 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Apparently we're now up to two trainees from the baby seal herd. Sweet.
It's not for no reason that CCP says players who get killed early are more likely to both get involved with the larger game and resub.
Conflict drives better retention. I just wonder when we'll be able to knock off the trumped up moral panic and accept these facts.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
12014
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Posted - 2015.07.31 12:58:23 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I just wonder when we'll be able to knock off the trumped up moral panic and accept these facts.
You and I both know the answer to this question 
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2319
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Posted - 2015.07.31 13:14:23 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I just wonder when we'll be able to knock off the trumped up moral panic and accept these facts. You and I both know the answer to this question  Second thursday of never.
Some folks simply cannot resist the urge to be the vegan who shows up to the BBQ for no reason other than to ***** about meat.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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