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General Coochie	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:20:00 - [1] Ive seen other threads like this I would like to start a new. This is my first whine thread and I dont like cheese. The new map: + Graphics + New features, staions etc easely navigated now. - Orientation, why isnt my POV saved each time I load the map. Why is the map aligned sideways when opening it? - It seems it requiers a powerfull computer to run smoothly. I can play halflife 2 on this comp without problems but I cant navigate EvE world map without clicking wrong systems and loose my orientation cause my mouse "laggs" so badly. - The system map is gone from scanner window. Again I loose my orientation, Yes I think its good that I know where the planets are and related to each other. No I dont have time to press F10 to wait for nice graphic map to load when Im about to scan ppl to kill. F11 works but it also gives you a nice galaxy map and a so usuable constellation map \o/ and it takes 1/4 of the screen. - Generally harder to make out how the world map is. Smaller dots, smaller lines. You would think it would make it easier but for some reason it gets my head spinning. The improovements are ok. Especially the new features but IMO its not worth the cost. If devs would consider brining old map back atleast as an option I would for one be really happy. EvE always was easely navigated despite beeing a world in 3d, it isnt anymore.
PeveS The Edge Foundation	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:22:00 - [2] signed
Draconia Blackheart Disciples of the Underverse	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:23:00 - [3] I report as a bug the lack of keeping it 'flattened' when you want it flattened. I have to click the 'Unflatten' then 'flatten' again to get that setting back (until the next time opened) I do like the new info on the map though ---
Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:24:00 - [4] Yes it doesn't save "flattened or not flattened" option chosen by the user :< Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Troye Gallente Galactic Express The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:27:00 - [5] I hate whinning but i also hate the new map. The pretty zoom gettings boring after a while, id rather a map that just did its job rather than doing cool zooms all over the place. _______________________________________________
General Coochie	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:27:00 - [6] Aye the flattening thing aswell. And that reminds me of another - The map rotates back and forth when closing it. Skip this animation plz, just make it close instantly.
Savio Caldari Atomic Heroes Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:30:00 - [7] I love the new map but then again my computer aint 5 years old :P . Need a Sign? Click Here
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:31:00 - [8] Originally by: General Coochie Skip this animation plz, just make it close instantly. Yeah, in the middle of battle and I have to wait 5yrs for the map to close :/ should be an option to turn the animations off. -=====-
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:34:00 - [9] I like the zoom animation, but when you're scanning systems for war targets that can see you in local, every second counts. There should be an option to turn it off. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Zebler Four Horsemen	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:35:00 - [10] Edited by: Zebler on 03/12/2006 23:35:01 signed. Love the map, it looks fantastic, and I really want it to stay in game. What I would dearly love is for an option to disable the fancy stuff for when i am in space and need to access info quickly.

Maj Woodcock Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:35:00 - [11] Very very pertty but very very useless. Bring back the old map. there was nothing wrong with it!! SIGNED "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands,hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H. L. Mencken
General Coochie	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:38:00 - [12] Originally by: Savio I love the new map but then again my computer aint 5 years old :P I think its stuipid to implent something that put a strain on computers that this game originally was designed to work for. All other aspects of EvE work excellent for me at best graphics. Must be one of the first games ever where its actually the map the puts the strain on the computer not the everyday battles, exploisions etc.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:41:00 - [13] The brightness changes make it near impossible to see lines on CRT's. CCP, PLEASE test on screens other than LCD's! //Maya
Kayle Ki Ktaomai Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:41:00 - [14] I like a lot of stuff with it, but I don't like the black background and smaller lines/dots. The new map hurts my eyes.
d026 Herrscher der Zeit	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:42:00 - [15] signed
Silent Star	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:45:00 - [16] New map has terrible user experience. It's pretty, but that is about it. Takes way too long to play the animation making it useless in dangerous space.
Fren Mallow Gallente Bluestar Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Maya Rkell The brightness changes make it near impossible to see lines on CRT's. CCP, PLEASE test on screens other than LCD's! On tft's the lines darker than before also.. ;) Must have to do something with the drwaing method.. looks more like 3d-vectors now, instead the good old flat-lines, they used in the old map.. :( Cheers PS: I sign the demand for a simple map, like the old one, without this animations stuff.. even "instant" takes ages.. :( --------------------------------------------- Never fix a running system, but fix this dead LOW SEC, CCP!
Znaei Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:47:00 - [18] Originally by: MysticNZ Originally by: General Coochie Skip this animation plz, just make it close instantly. Yeah, in the middle of battle and I have to wait 5yrs for the map to close :/ should be an option to turn the animations off. Why would you open your map in the middle of a battle?
Savio Caldari Atomic Heroes Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:47:00 - [19] Originally by: Maya Rkell The brightness changes make it near impossible to see lines on CRT's. CCP, PLEASE test on screens other than LCD's! looks fine on my crt screen.. try to setup your monitor proberly? contrast/brightness . Need a Sign? Click Here
Dar Wento Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:48:00 - [20] Signed. There were absolutly nothing wrong with the old one and it was easy to read and easy to use. I love the new system map, but please let us have the old and working starmap back. Regards, /Dar.

Dahak2150 HellBrothers Industries	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:50:00 - [21] New map looks great, yeah. But that's it. Otherwise it just drags my framerate way down. The always-on stars don't do anything for me visually, except drain my FPS further. The zoom animation is annoying because my computer doesn't display it, just lags from it. I'd also like to be able to toggle the animation when you reset your camera in the regular window. This zoom around the ship before coming back is annoying as it just further taxes my system, and takes time to respond, making me click the button 3 or 4 times just to get the camera to come back. If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a better browser.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:51:00 - [22] new map is awsome. doesnt bother me a bit, cept the flattening thing. good work ccp. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
Rumbaar Solitary Forsaken	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:53:00 - [23] I agree I don't like the new universe map. 1. It doesn't remember position 2. Is upside down and the wrong way around each time I open it. 3. It hangs and then pops up this window which doesn't help when trying to set destinations. The fact that when you set the map to the 'correct' orientation you don't have much movement to move around as it's on the opposite side. The zoom out to system and then universe was interesting the first 2 or 3 times, now it's annoying. Specially if you go to warp or want to move back into the ship view again. ___________________ Custom banner? Click above or EVEmail
Darcie Wray	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:57:00 - [24] YOU CAN TURN THE ANIMATIONS OFF, PEOPLE. LEARN HOW TO USE IT BEFORE YOU WHINE ABOUT IT. Thank you. PS: Revelations brought MANY changes. Some thingsare DIFFERENT but that does not mean they are worse than before. Trust the developers a little and change the way you think. I, like many of you, also had to adjust to the new changes and guess what? 95% of the changes, bar the bugs, are actually are BETTER than how it worked before! Yes, there are bugs. Please report them. Yes, a few features that could be tweaked slightly. Dont whine about them. Bug report, post about them in a constructive manner.
General Coochie	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:02:00 - [25] Edited by: General Coochie on 04/12/2006 00:08:12 Edited by: General Coochie on 04/12/2006 00:06:04 Originally by: Darcie Wray YOU CAN TURN THE ANIMATIONS OFF, PEOPLE. LEARN HOW TO USE IT BEFORE YOU WHINE ABOUT IT. Thank you. Hmmm I look at my settings just now and its defenently turned off. Still the map goes "zoomgshh" rotates right "swwooooosh" makes a 180 degree flip and after a couple of seconds "snip" closes after pressing the F10 button. TBH I think the map is so bad navigating that I never use it anymore to get an idea of my surroundings. I just roam the systems I know by typing in destination and go there with waypoints help. I am convinced it will improve cause it cannot stay like this. But I still want the option of using the old map. edit: spelling edit 2: A Linky for you Darcie
Murtac	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Darcie Wray YOU CAN TURN THE ANIMATIONS OFF, PEOPLE. LEARN HOW TO USE IT BEFORE YOU WHINE ABOUT IT. Thank you. [...] You can turn some of them off, not all. Learn to check if the pretty buttons actually do what they say before you shout at people about it. PS. Your caps lock key is stuck. -- Betatesting EVE since 2004.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Savio Originally by: Maya Rkell The brightness changes make it near impossible to see lines on CRT's. CCP, PLEASE test on screens other than LCD's! looks fine on my crt screen.. try to setup your monitor proberly? contrast/brightness My CRT is properly calibrated. In fact, I use a brightness/colour matching program because I need accurate colours in photoshop. Also, just because YOU do not have an issue does not mean that other different monitors don't have issues. //Maya
DefJam101 Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:07:00 - [28] /signed if they make the "zoom out" feature zoom faster, too slow. ***
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:08:00 - [29] Signed. We had an excellent map system, and it's been replaced by a mediocre one. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
GoldHorn Venture Capital Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:15:00 - [30] Signed, and while u are at it bring the old escrow back.

hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:16:00 - [31] /signed New map does look sweet and cool. But i need fast functionality that the old map offered. Please bring back the old =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:20:00 - [32] /signed I like all of the new info, but I dislike how it's implemented. The map is to dark and hard to read now. It takes a while to load, and it doesn't save flattened / unflattened. It's a great idea, but I would rather have the old map back untill they get the new one in a usable condition. ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:22:00 - [33] Originally by: GoldHorn Signed, and while u are at it bring the old escrow back. Listen to the wisdom of this man. Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Akemi Sakurai Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:27:00 - [34] I like the new map. I just want options to turn off animations, transitions, and have it save my current view instead of showing my position relative to the rest of Eve whenever I open it.
Khnaedra D'Val Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:28:00 - [35] /signed Although the information available on the new map is nice, the implementation just doesn't seem to gel into the game like the old one did......and my computer's not exactly ancient, either!
Boris Johnson	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:42:00 - [36] Its true.. the new maps nice and all that but give us an option to avoid all the animations and jump right to the view, sometimes i really dont have time to wait for a zoom effect when a blobs warping in on me :) Just the option at least, and please let us have the mini scanner pic back on directional scanner, it was good to check out what planets were close ect. I feel disorientated as it is.
Yumi Katanawe Caldari SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:46:00 - [37] The prettyness gets in the way of the usability. Option to use old map please? =)
Treher Minmatar Locust Syndicate Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:51:00 - [38] It reminds me of the annoying fly feature in Google Earth. I think they stole the ideas from there ;) ______________________________________________________ I forget which station container has my memory implants.
Tres Farmer	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:52:00 - [39] The Better is the foe of the good. ^^and when the better is the precedessor of the god, the tweakers should lower their heads ;)
Mobius Amarr Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 01:17:00 - [40] yes do get rid of it ad bring back the camera zoom for those of us that play with impairments to our hand dexterity the new map is a waste of time hving to reset it everytime and if u can't zoom manually it is horrid.

Lucifer Fellblade Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 01:19:00 - [41] I vote for just let us be able to turn off the special map effects if we want to. ------
tadig smik Taintclan Industries	Posted - 2006.12.04 06:47:00 - [42] The only problem I have with the new map is opening it when docked. Sometimes, it hangs and I have to log to fix it... Other than that, I think the new map is great. Personally, I think they should do away with 'flat maps'. The universe isn't flat and the maps shouldn't be either. Spend some time with it and adapt. Open the systemmap and warp from item to item and just get a feel for it. Eve is very 'figure it out or die'. So, figure it out...
Morgat Harag Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.04 06:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade I vote for just let us be able to turn off the special map effects if we want to. What he said. I play on a laptop and have had no problems with the new map and I absolutely love some features of it (like the mouseover that actually tells you the system sec rating), but the animation, while cool, gets tired after a while. -- Liberty Network
Shakuul Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:00:00 - [44] Just make it one of the items in the graphics options window... ( ) Fancy map ( ) No fancy map
ArtemisEntreri Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:10:00 - [45] If you don't like the brightness what works for me is clicking the world map thing in the top right corner, or clicking local map or whatever the middle button is and then clicking world map again.
Scott Price	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:27:00 - [46] Edited by: Scott Price on 04/12/2006 07:31:18 Edited by: Scott Price on 04/12/2006 07:30:57 Edited by: Scott Price on 04/12/2006 07:30:32 Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: Savio I love the new map but then again my computer aint 5 years old :P I think its stuipid to implent something that put a strain on computers that this game originally was designed to work for. All other aspects of EvE work excellent for me at best graphics. Must be one of the first games ever where its actually the map the puts the strain on the computer not the everyday battles, exploisions etc. I'm sorry but I profusely disagree. If you desire to remain a part of the MMO community, then you need to keep upgrading your computer to match the times. Would you bring a Model-T racer to a modern auto racing event? No. Then why would you complain when your out of date computer cannot process a modern game? My upgraded and modern computer opens the new map perfectly and while I see no practical purpose in having a map that zooms in on my ship, it DOES give me a feeling of how massive EVE is and I love it. /not signed
Ishan Shade	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:40:00 - [47] Originally by: Scott Price Edited by: Scott Price on 04/12/2006 07:31:18 Edited by: Scott Price on 04/12/2006 07:30:57 Edited by: Scott Price on 04/12/2006 07:30:32 Originally by: General Coochie Originally by: Savio I love the new map but then again my computer aint 5 years old :P I think its stuipid to implent something that put a strain on computers that this game originally was designed to work for. All other aspects of EvE work excellent for me at best graphics. Must be one of the first games ever where its actually the map the puts the strain on the computer not the everyday battles, exploisions etc. I'm sorry but I profusely disagree. If you desire to remain a part of the MMO community, then you need to keep upgrading your computer to match the times. Would you bring a Model-T racer to a modern auto racing event? No. Then why would you complain when your out of date computer cannot process a modern game? My upgraded and modern computer opens the new map perfectly and while I see no practical purpose in having a map that zooms in on my ship, it DOES give me a feeling of how massive EVE is and I love it. /not signed Wow.... you win the moron of the day award! If MMO's would only work on the high end computers CCP would only have a hand full of subscribers. Don't you think it's good for their wallet to make sure their product runs on as many machines as possible? Btw the answers you're looking for is "yes". Oh and /signed to the OP
Scott Price	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:06:00 - [48] 1) Don't put words in my mouth. 2) If you disagree, then do it professionally. I never said that everyone has to have a cutting edge computer. What I did say, however, is that everyone does have to modernize with the times. EVE should not be played on the 1997 era computers that it was designed for. This thread will quickly identify many people who are trying to play EVE on pre-turn of the century computers. They will be the majority of the one's /signing off on the OP's request.
CrossWire Gallente New Hope Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:08:00 - [49] I Have to agree here, the old map was far better, the new map is pretty but lame.
Marine HK4861 Caldari Seoltachd	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:18:00 - [50] Originally by: Ishan Shade If MMO's would only work on the high end computers CCP would only have a hand full of subscribers. Don't you think it's good for their wallet to make sure their product runs on as many machines as possible? Btw the answers you're looking for is "yes". If that were true, then why did CCP make the decision a few months ago to update the EVE client so that it would no longer run on Win98/ME?

Kharo Khann Cosmology	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:16:00 - [51] Signed and and reinstall old escrow as well
Bermag Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:28:00 - [52] Which map are you really talking about? The solar system map or the map of the universe? And which is old map are you refering to? Do you mean the system map in the scanner window? If it is the map in scanner window then I don't agree. Never liked it. however I do miss being able to see which direction I am looking at with the green arrow but I have managed to direct my directional scans pretty well anyway. I personally like the new system map a lot. Nice to see bookmarks etc directly on map. The map over universe has always been hard to read IMO and is not any better now. I like that you can see what is in a system from the popup though. But still awkward to look around on the map (like it always been though).
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:33:00 - [53] signed as well, I'm not interested in sparkly and fluffy bits in a system I use very often, even less if it doesn't work correctly, is non-intuitive and lags me a lot more than the old system (which didn't lag at all). On that same note, PLEASE bring back the system overview in the scanner window, the map is already annoyign enough, don't make me have to open it when I'm scanning... it lags a ton and I can't see what's going on when in mapmode. A lot of good things came from Revelations, sadly the map isn't one of them. -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Lorn Yeager Gallente Blessed Souls	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:55:00 - [54] Have to agree. It is pretty and shining, but the usability seems far fetched. My problem is "the wait" you have to do before you can acutally do something with it. Before it was "click" -> "loading" -> "use" Now its more like "click" -> "zoom" -> "rotate" -> "Flatten" -> "load" -> "use". It has to either be faster doing all that, or we should be able to switch it off. My two isk on that. Begin sig: //-> Its Aloha time! Lorn Yeager Blessed Souls
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:06:00 - [55] Style over content tbh. /signed Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:06:00 - [56] It needs some fine tuning not to be reverted back to the old one. Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:11:00 - [57] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 04/12/2006 10:11:46 Originally by: Rumbaar The fact that when you set the map to the 'correct' orientation you don't have much movement to move around as it's on the opposite side. The world is upside down. Also, like the new map, needs a fair bit of work, but when (if) it is fixed it will be better than the old one. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Rimac	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:23:00 - [58] There is a control that controls the speed of the zoom animation. I don't remember the exact settings but it was in one of the tabs. I believe the default is 'normal' but you could also set it to 'fast' and something called 'instantaneous' or something along those lines. Using the last option makes things very workable for me at least. Pretty quick too.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:13:00 - [59] The flattening (or lack thereof) is horrible but hopefully a bug that is fixed soonÖ. The instant transition option only promises but does not deliver, even with it on my transitions are far from instant, on both my slowish desktop and my fast laptop. But there are good things about the new map too! Like, I never knew the F11 stuff even existed until I was forced to use it with Revelations And finally it is an advantage to have my gear strewn about almost every system in the galaxy, I one-click navigate through my assets window now (Note: There is some sarcasm here, I would indeed rather have the old functional map back) --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Akiman	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:30:00 - [60] make it an option

Taaii Caldari GTE Corp	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:33:00 - [61] Signed
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:45:00 - [62] There are many person complaining about that animation effect, but why you don't just turn it off? Go to map, Star Map -> Animation and change transition speed to instant. It works faster than the old map for me now. Though the flatten - unflatten bug is annoying. I personally love the new contracts system. For casual browsing it is definetely worse as you see less selections on one screen, but if you know what module you want it beats the old escrow hands down. For example you can search by contract title or item type. The contract limits mean there are no more people spamming 500 scams on there every day.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:46:00 - [63] Edited by: Smagd on 04/12/2006 12:46:09 Turning off the transitions worked for me. Just setting them to "fast" didn't do much, but "instant" gives acceptable performance. Wrong orientation is an issue, but not a major one. I usually end up rotating a lot to get a better view anyway. I use Ombeys maps for a general idea on how a region is laid out, where I am and where I want to go. The lines are a bit of a bother: Trying to find an autopilot route is a bit tricky when it uses red lines, but most of the other lines are red, too (line color set to jump type here). What freaks me most is the solar system labels. That font is TINY. And then you have system names like N-DQ0D where the last 4 letters look almost the same even in the regular font. Additionally, to tell if that's 1 ships killed in space in the last hour or 7 I swear I need glasses and there's no "show info" or magnification for that. -- Thukkers do
Ghitza Backup Squad	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:48:00 - [64] I hate new map! AND BRING BACK OLD ESCROW!!!!!!!!
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:52:00 - [65] I have two new gripes with the new map. Firstly, it doesn't remember your POV, I flatten the map. I want it to stay flattened. Secondly, the lines etc are now much less prominent. I recognise places on my map by the lines (and in high sec by their sec status) while in a flattened view. The changes have really made it a pain in the ass for me. I would at least like the option to use the old map.
Roq Lobster ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:53:00 - [66] Originally by: Verus Potestas Signed. We had an excellent map system, and it's been replaced by a mediocre one. I agree with that. New map is nice but its only eye candy :/ It makes me feel angry many times :/
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:56:00 - [67] Of all the junk in revelations, the map is the best. I acturally use the thing now just to see that smooth translation from ship in warp to system map to star map and back down to ship in warp. Second thing I like is the Myridon...coolest looking ship in Eve.. BUT KEEP THE NICE MAP!! Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Fren Mallow Gallente Bluestar Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:16:00 - [68] Edited by: Fren Mallow on 04/12/2006 13:18:07 dumb forum sw --------------------------------------------- Never fix a running system, but fix this dead LOW SEC, CCP!
Fren Mallow Gallente Bluestar Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:17:00 - [69] Edited by: Fren Mallow on 04/12/2006 13:20:15 Originally by: Morden Nok There are many person complaining about that animation effect, but why you don't just turn it off? Go to map, Star Map -> Animation and change transition speed to instant. It works faster than the old map for me now. INSTANT isn't instant..! I have it on the "instant" setting since the first 10 minutes, when I played with the new map the first time on wednesday after patch! I want to get rid of the whole zoom-zong thing, that happens all the time I close the map from flattened mode.. Map flattened -> Close it -> it unflattens -> it rotates 90¦ back -> it moves out of sight -> ship is there, puh I don't want to know, what happens when it finally keeps flattened. Then It also does this stuff in reverse order, or what?! arrgs Is that so hard to understand? I had enough from the candy after 10mins playing with it in front of my homebase. I want usability ABOVE eye-candy! It's the same with the new Contracts overview.. If I fill out the Search-field with the search-phrase, I have to use the mouse, to start the search instead a dumb <ENTER>, where my hands are ALLREADY at the keyboard!! Ridiculous. And I demand a Quicksearch, with allready in place Search-phrases like in market. Cheers --------------------------------------------- Never fix a running system, but fix this dead LOW SEC, CCP!
General Coochie	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:18:00 - [70] Originally by: Scott Price I'm sorry but I profusely disagree. If you desire to remain a part of the MMO community, then you need to keep upgrading your computer to match the times. Would you bring a Model-T racer to a modern auto racing event? No. Then why would you complain when your out of date computer cannot process a modern game? My upgraded and modern computer opens the new map perfectly and while I see no practical purpose in having a map that zooms in on my ship, it DOES give me a feeling of how massive EVE is and I love it. /not signed I think it is stuipid that this map takes more power from the computer, or runs more unsmoothly then halflife 2 does. This is an entity with dots texts and lines. Halflife 2 is running a comples physics system and everything. Halflife 2 graphics is a good example on how to do, and so is EvE which have good grphics for its age. But the new map... it feels more unoptimized then a alfa version of some 3d fps shooting game. Im talking about the universe map. I would like to have the old scanner map back in the window also though.

Sir Drake	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:26:00 - [71] Originally by: hydraSlav New map does look sweet and cool. But i need fast functionality that the old map offered. Please bring back the old exactly what i thought ------------------------------------------------------- Sig was removed due to derogatory comments towards a group of people. -Karl Chroimcer I like that.
Darkrogue Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:31:00 - [72] /signed I honestly think it just needs to the blue background back!
PixelMatter	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:34:00 - [73] "What I would dearly love is for an option to disable the fancy stuff for when i am in space and need to access info quickly." I agree. Signed.
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:34:00 - [74] pretty but horrible to use. -Dumus-
Lady Loom Red Mercury Industries	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:38:00 - [75] /signed I used to open the map, browse it, check for various info - now I try to stay out of it as much as possible, all the unnecessary animation stuff and the lower performance greatly annoys me. Why couldn't they just make the new map optional? And a general question, why the heck are (graphical, UI, etc.) options so limited in EVE? [power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat]
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:55:00 - [76] Yes i can see where the designer was coming from with the seemless map feature but frankly it isn't very practicle. Currently i have all animations turned off for it and the 3 second off wait for the zoom to go back in when closing the map is a slight annoyance. And yes i have to agree with that other man, forgot name,...bring back old escrow (brokers fee, i hate you). --------
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:01:00 - [77] Edited by: Merchantigus on 04/12/2006 23:04:27 Edited by: Merchantigus on 04/12/2006 23:03:04 signed. sometimes i just need to plot a damn corse. i dont need annoying popups(that's what the internet is for). i dont need it taking forever. i dont need it ending up all over the place everytime i open it. i dont need it zooming the **** off everytime i hit a system i dont care about while trying to set a destination. the old map was perfect this new one is pretty but worthless. even without the "wonderfull zoom feature" if they took out or had options for everything that annoys me about it i'd have the old map... stop trying to fix things that aren't broken and fix the things that are. oh and while your at it how about some graphics options? "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm yess."
JFxSummoner	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:15:00 - [78] dispise new map
SasRipper Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:19:00 - [79] /signed! And bring back Radar! " Save Radar Scanner Man!
mechtech	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:44:00 - [80] /signed And also add the option to bid on items globally, not just view them.

Caedicus Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:49:00 - [81] I think there should be two ways to look at Eve Universe: space view and map view. Space view is where a REAL "seamless" transition from ship view to viewing all the systems in Eve. There should be no limit on how you far you can zoom your camera out from your ship. The rate of zoom should exponential relative to distance. This can bring you to the system view, and if you zoom farther, a Starmap view. It will be all 3d and stuff. Map View - Exactly how the old map was. The current system is a messy blend of the two. Evolution in Eve:
Mondo Banana	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:52:00 - [82] The old map did what it did well, and simply. It made sense. The new map is weird, buggy and for the most part, useless. Last night I just wanted to see my route, that's all. Lines were there, they were gone, zoomed in ooops! It's all black now. Zoom back out, check settings again. Map is doing it's hula girl dance. It's an annoying piece of crap. CCP can have it back.
Nymos Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:56:00 - [83] the new map is sucky for a lack of better words. zooming with the mouse wheel is inverted, i don't want to wait for the silly map animation turning the 3d map and stuff, i have no idea how to use the system map... i can't use it while scanning because i don't see whats going on around me and i don't see any use for the new map thing at all. for warping to stuff in a system i use the context menu only or i click on it in the hud, whatever is faster in a specific situation. all the extra info in the map is nice, but i really don't need it. i used to use the map for just looking at blobs for destinations to hunt targets and to plot a course. now i have to endure silly zooming, rotating and whatnot. i just don't open that thing anymore. i used to use the p&p thing to set destinations already before kali because it loads much faster and that's the most important thing i need anyway. i think ccp tried to reinvent the wheel with this map. instead of zooming around, how about making it possible that i click on a region and it shows ALL system names next to the system star? so i can zoom in a bit more, read this system names, look around, plot a course, gank some targets... why do i need that? simply to familiarize myself with the hunting grounds? how often do i hear someone say "let's go to <random system>" and i'm like "man, where's that". check and see it's like 3 jumps out and i've never seen it on the map. for an overview of an area i have to use the offline map as pdf file... currently it's impossible (or i just haven't found the magical option) to get an overview of systems. oh wait, isn't a map supposed to do exactly that? guess not. --
Morhon Amarr Aegis Starship Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:16:00 - [84] Edited by: Morhon on 05/12/2006 00:19:30 Edited by: Morhon on 05/12/2006 00:18:41 Edited by: Morhon on 05/12/2006 00:17:54 The new map is growing on me, but I hated it at first. The unflatten thing still bugs the hell out of me though, as does the slow load times and the way altering zoom on the UI can result in you not even seeing a full star map when you open the map. I now read you can switch this function off... I retract my complaints Does my bum look big in this cape?
Oriella Trikassi Trikassi Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:22:00 - [85] <JANET AND JOHN> I am a Trader. I have a lot of Assets. The old map showed my Assets when I pressed the Assets button. The new map does not show my Assets when I press the Assets button. It shows how many stacks of Assets I have at each station. It also shows Moons and Planets. I do not own any Moons or Planets. When I click on the station assets arrow the Assets window comes up set to All. It takes a while to load because I have a lot of Assets. The station I have loaded is not visible in the window. I have to scroll down to see it. Every time I select a different station the Assets window refreshes. Can I have my old Assets map back please? </JANET AND JOHN> --- Trikassi Enterprises, oiling the jumpgates of commerce since 2004
DeasGuCath Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:03:00 - [86] In space the map is alright, when docked it's complete garbage. It comes up unflattened, every single time, and if you aren't zoomed in very close to, it is really dark and you can't see anything. You have to zoom in so close for it to light up it is sometimes too close to see the surrounding systems that you would like to travel to. Change it back, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the one you had in place already. Pull the Trigger
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:04:00 - [87] Originally by: Fren Mallow Edited by: Fren Mallow on 04/12/2006 13:20:15 Originally by: Morden Nok There are many person complaining about that animation effect, but why you don't just turn it off? Go to map, Star Map -> Animation and change transition speed to instant. It works faster than the old map for me now. INSTANT isn't instant..! I have it on the "instant" setting since the first 10 minutes, when I played with the new map the first time on wednesday after patch! I want to get rid of the whole zoom-zong thing, that happens all the time I close the map from flattened mode.. Map flattened -> Close it -> it unflattens -> it rotates 90¦ back -> it moves out of sight -> ship is there, puh I don't want to know, what happens when it finally keeps flattened. Then It also does this stuff in reverse order, or what?! arrgs Is that so hard to understand? I had enough from the candy after 10mins playing with it in front of my homebase. I want usability ABOVE eye-candy! It's the same with the new Contracts overview.. If I fill out the Search-field with the search-phrase, I have to use the mouse, to start the search instead a dumb <ENTER>, where my hands are ALLREADY at the keyboard!! Ridiculous. And I demand a Quicksearch, with allready in place Search-phrases like in market. Cheers lol i feel kind of dumb now XD i randomly turned stuff off and aside from the annoying popups i got it to behave :) "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm yess."
Hohenheim OfLight Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:11:00 - [88] I have to say the new map was a nice idea, shame about the implmentation. The whole flaten unfalten thing has been mentioned so i wont say an more, but why has the zoom been broken? Get in to a big ship cap ship bs what ever, then look at a frig, you will see your zoom is still the same as if you where looking at your cap ship and you can not zoom in any more to look at the frig it jsut ends up beeing a dot miles away. :( Even on instant trasfer it takes a few secs, also is ccp trying to give me rsi? ever time i jump the zoom lvl resets not reall much of problem in the past you jsut clicked zoom out, not i have to scrole out ever time using the scrole wheel. It starting to do my head in. PS I have now clicked post 42 times when can we get a forms that work? I am sick of just beeing taken to an empty posting box or having to clikc login 5 or 6 times to log in, did ccp buy the crappys forum softweare in teh plaent? ---------------------------------------------- Gone but not forgotten


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