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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.03 23:22:00 -
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Anyone....
Any stories of failures?
Datacores are now 10 mill ish each (cant see them dropping much lower tbh), meaning 160 mill for an attempt on producing a Tech 2 Cruiser bpc....
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:27:00 -
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hmmm, is teh Invention skill even seeded?
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maarud
Einherjar Incorporated
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:29:00 -
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 Originally by: KIAEddZ
hmmm, is teh Invention skill even seeded?
There is no invention skill. There are encryption skills for the race specific ships, but you don't need any skill for modules and stuff.
Maarud.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: maarud
Originally by: KIAEddZ
hmmm, is teh Invention skill even seeded?
There is no invention skill. There are encryption skills for the race specific ships, but you don't need any skill for modules and stuff.
So they have compleetly scrapped the invention skill....
Okies, s effective chance of producing a bpc is down to the me pe quality of the bpc? and how do i know which meta mods effect the invention process for my chosen invention?
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Kai'Lee
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:44:00 -
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i'm guessing people will hold off to see what else is seeded, there is a maybe that more of all t2 bpo are going to be seeded
i dont do any research myself, but the people i know that do are just keeping the rp to see what floats and maybe get lucky
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: maarud
Originally by: KIAEddZ
hmmm, is teh Invention skill even seeded?
There is no invention skill. There are encryption skills for the race specific ships, but you don't need any skill for modules and stuff.
So they have compleetly scrapped the invention skill....
Okies, s effective chance of producing a bpc is down to the me pe quality of the bpc? and how do i know which meta mods effect the invention process for my chosen invention?
Find T1 BPO in market index -> Show Info -> Materials Tab -> Invention Tab
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Doxs Roxs
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.12.04 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Anyone....
Any stories of failures?
Datacores are now 10 mill ish each (cant see them dropping much lower tbh), meaning 160 mill for an attempt on producing a Tech 2 Cruiser bpc....
How did you arrive at 160M? I have not checked the exact figures but that seems a bit high even if the datacores cost 10M each. Besides, if you do a 10 run BPC it should in theory be much cheaper per BPC.
Regards
/Doxs
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Lustre
ISK Sink Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.04 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Doxs Roxs
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Anyone....
Any stories of failures?
Datacores are now 10 mill ish each (cant see them dropping much lower tbh), meaning 160 mill for an attempt on producing a Tech 2 Cruiser bpc....
How did you arrive at 160M? I have not checked the exact figures but that seems a bit high even if the datacores cost 10M each. Besides, if you do a 10 run BPC it should in theory be much cheaper per BPC.
Regards
/Doxs
I'd say that's why he's asking if anyone has been successful. You see, no-one knows yet what kind of T2 BPC you get back if you throw in all those expensive components with a 10-run T1 BPC. Will it be 1 run? 3 run? 10 run? Apparently it will be docked (randomly) so the cost is unpredictable. Also, the entire job may fail so your entire investment is wasted.
So, T2 cruisers generally need 8*x-ship datacore and 8*x-science datacore = intial investment of 160m ISK (assuming the BPC is free and datacores stabilise at 10mil each).
Would love to know if anyone has had any success.
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Akemi Sakurai
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.12.04 10:43:00 -
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Maybe people are still looking for the data interfaces so if someone did find it, could be they don't want others to find out for fear of being attacked for the interface. But what about decryptors though? Those were suppose to help improve the chance of success or something. Are they in the game?
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Bambi
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Posted - 2006.12.04 10:56:00 -
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10 mill for a datacore!!?
Where are you shopping.
Prices will fall on datacores, especially the starship engineering ones. 1 days R&D with running a mission gives enough RP for 4 datacores.
Million+ isk is silly for these, wait til people realise how easy they are to obtain, prices will fall.
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Mikal Drey
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Posted - 2006.12.04 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: maarud
There is no invention skill. There are encryption skills for the race specific ships, but you don't need any skill for modules and stuff.
when you go through the invention process Right clicking etc. you Will see which racial skill is needed.
After you "Accept Quote" there will be a long list of materials and skills required to complete the installation. The invention tab on BPC's is incomplete/missleading
EG. Invulnerability I Shield module needs Caldari Encryption Methods + the 2 Science Skills thats the datacores require
if you look at the invention blog closer it does state that skills will be required its a shame its not listed on each bpo/c
TBH the cost/difficulty/skill req's just for the Invul I i looked at wasnt worth the isk it will be to "attempt" a run/invent. May as well buy
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 13:40:00 -
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Mikal... what types of skills did you see listed when you accepted the quote?
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DicRoNero
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:14:00 -
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Err.. and where am I supposed to find data interfaces? I've seen a buy order set for around 50 mil - are they that rare? 
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: DicRoNero
Err.. and where am I supposed to find data interfaces? I've seen a buy order set for around 50 mil - are they that rare?
A rough estimate: they will be somewhere in the price range of faction ship BPCs ... They are rare, but will not get destroyed by the invention process (AFAIK).
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DicRoNero
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: DicRoNero
Err.. and where am I supposed to find data interfaces? I've seen a buy order set for around 50 mil - are they that rare?
A rough estimate: they will be somewhere in the price range of faction ship BPCs ... They are rare, but will not get destroyed by the invention process (AFAIK).
Thanks for the info, but where actually do they spawn or exist? 
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:34:00 -
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I have never seen a post from someone claiming to have successfully invented anything, even on the test server.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:08:00 -
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Me either, hence my question... and NO ONE has said yes I have done so yet... is it even possible CCP, if so why has no one ever done it, its been over a week now, surely someone has at least attempted it?
Or is this just a huge time and isk sink.
Sigh.
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Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bambi
10 mill for a datacore!!?
Where are you shopping.
Prices will fall on datacores, especially the starship engineering ones. 1 days R&D with running a mission gives enough RP for 4 datacores.
Million+ isk is silly for these, wait til people realise how easy they are to obtain, prices will fall.
Am I missing something with RP here?
A starship datacore costs 1500rp. You can do one mission per day. So in order to get 4 datacores you'd need an agent that gives out a base of 3000 rp a day.
My Lvl4 agent gives around 170 rp a day. So it will take me 5 days doing a mission everyday to get just one datacore.
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Lady Sabriel
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Sabriel on 04/12/2006 16:26:09
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Me either, hence my question... and NO ONE has said yes I have done so yet... is it even possible CCP, if so why has no one ever done it, its been over a week now, surely someone has at least attempted it?
Or is this just a huge time and isk sink.
Sigh.
The bottle neck are the data interfaces. These aren't spawned, they have to be built. So before anyone can invent anything, someone must find a Interface bpc which come from the new complexes (I think in 0.0) and then they must find the materials to build the interface. Currently I have no idea what materials are needed to build the interfaces.
Once they've got a interface they must then find one of the Encryption Skills, which are still fairly rare and very expensive.
Then they need to get enough Datacores, which are currently in limited supply and very expensive.
And so once they've got all this stuff, gone through all this trouble, they're ready to try to invent something. Except there is the possibility that it will fail and they'll lose the BPC and Data interfaces and get nothing for the time and isk they've invested.
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Chakademus
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Chakademus on 04/12/2006 16:34:39
Edited by: Chakademus on 04/12/2006 16:33:31
Looks to me like we need a tutorial sticky for invention.
Just no one has invented yet, well not anyone the sits on the boards anyway.
Who's rich and willing to play, gotta be someone around with enough money to waste on playing with invention, and willing to claim the fame of creating the invention sticky?
Woah Cool my edit time was 3mins in the future!!!
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Kehorii
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:38:00 -
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/me is reminded of when "Reverse engineering is ingame, but we're not gonna tell you how"
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Elwoood Blues
White Wolves Defence league
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Doxs Roxs
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Anyone....
Any stories of failures?
Datacores are now 10 mill ish each (cant see them dropping much lower tbh), meaning 160 mill for an attempt on producing a Tech 2 Cruiser bpc....
How did you arrive at 160M? I have not checked the exact figures but that seems a bit high even if the datacores cost 10M each. Besides, if you do a 10 run BPC it should in theory be much cheaper per BPC.
Regards
/Doxs
Doxs,
quite simple, you need 8 datacores for Starship engineering (80 mil) + 8 datacores for mechanical engineering (80 mil) makes 160 mils.
I ve all skills, but i couldn't find a data interface...
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Sabriel
Originally by: Bambi
10 mill for a datacore!!?
Where are you shopping.
Prices will fall on datacores, especially the starship engineering ones. 1 days R&D with running a mission gives enough RP for 4 datacores.
Million+ isk is silly for these, wait til people realise how easy they are to obtain, prices will fall.
Am I missing something with RP here?
A starship datacore costs 1500rp. You can do one mission per day. So in order to get 4 datacores you'd need an agent that gives out a base of 3000 rp a day.
My Lvl4 agent gives around 170 rp a day. So it will take me 5 days doing a mission everyday to get just one datacore.
It's a typo, he means 12 days not 1 day. With a lvl 4 agent you can get up to 500 rp's per day, so you will "only" need 24 days for the 8 datacores needed, but Mechanical Engineering is another deal, I don't see the Datacores being sold in market that cheap, but that's the Datacores, you will still need the Data interfaces, decryptor, and the extremely rare skill.
I been *****ing a fair big deal this last few days about invention, as I'm totally fed up of the tech 2 lobby and waiting 2 years for a R&D fix is too long, but invention could be a good thing if CCP tweaks it a bit.
A) encryption skills should be less rare, make them expensive like Research Project Manajment, not impossible to get
B) Datacores should drop from this new called exploration sites at the thousands or else the time vs reward is totally borked, people will rather do missions or rat that makes more isk/h and pay overpriced items to the tech 2 lobby, because collecting datacores from your agent is no way to go.
The agent offer system that TomB talked in his dev blog before Shiva would be much more practical, too bad it went to regular agents instead.
C) Data Interfaces and Encryptors, well I don't even have a clue where to get these, but I'm trainning astronometrics 5 hope it fixes it. (AND THAT CCP DOESN'T CHANGE SKILL REQUIREMENTS LIKE SALVAGER AND TRACTOR BEAM AFTER I FINISH TRAINNING)
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:21:00 -
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I thin a lot of people are holding out buying datacores until after CCp does their reseeding Tuesday. kinda pointles to spend them for BPC's when there is a hance you can get BPO's.
But afterwards, I think it will take about a week to gather RP for trying a BPC, assuming your using a high end agent, and running the missions. My agent gives a bit over 250 per day, doubled is 500, so every 3 days per datacore in Starship engineering. Mechanical Engineer doesn;t get as much RP/pday, but the Datacores are also cheaper.
Of course, it was said players will also be able to find datacores with exploration.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:51:00 -
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For a big change like invention and also salvaging, you start conservatively, then tweak up spawn rates tweak down requirements to get the balance you want.
It should be of no surprise both are difficult atm....they will be tweaked...hopefully it doesnt take too long. 
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
For a big change like invention and also salvaging, you start conservatively, then tweak up spawn rates tweak down requirements to get the balance you want.
It should be of no surprise both are difficult atm....they will be tweaked...hopefully it doesnt take too long.
This is CCP. When is the last time they made a buff that wasn't really just a nerf for someone else?
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Crowbiwan
Caldari
N.A.G.A Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:28:00 -
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OK Let me put this out to all. Encryptors can be found in the COSMOS Complex's. You'll need the hacking skill & a codebreaker module to get in the spawn cans & even then it's kinda random as to what you'll get but they ARE there I speak from experience, I've got tons of caldari encryptors this way (fyi they're the little purple disk looking things that are also needed for building COSMOS BPC's)
Now the Interfaces on the other hand are a completely different story, no friggin clue where to get those
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:33:00 -
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No one seems to know where to get the interfaces from....
sigh
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Laughlyn Vaughns
Gallente
Lagos-Vaughn Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bambi
10 mill for a datacore!!?
Where are you shopping.
Prices will fall on datacores, especially the starship engineering ones. 1 days R&D with running a mission gives enough RP for 4 datacores.
Million+ isk is silly for these, wait til people realise how easy they are to obtain, prices will fall.
nanite datacores in domain region are about 25mill at moment, i've made mesen a fair amount sellign em from my nice R&D agent
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