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Jigensama
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.12.04 00:10:00 -
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In about a week I'm (finally) going to be able to train Minmatar Battleships, and oddly enough I'm looking at the two matar bs's that are probably the worst for running level 4 missions. I've done very well with the level 3's in my Cyclone, and have developed a taste for shield tanking as it makes most of the rats in the missions a lot easier for me to tank.
The tempest was my first choice fitted like this:
High: 6x1200mm Scouts, 2x Assault Missles
Middle: 1 100MN ABII, 1XL Shield Booster, 3x Shield Hardeners
Lows: 2x CoProcessors, 2x Gryo Stabs, 1x Power Diag, 1x Nano
However after messing around with quickfit and the Maelstrom (glad that got out so fast) I came up with a configuration that would deliver the same DPS given my skills.
High: 8x 1200mm Scouts
Middle: 1x 100MN ABII, 1XL Shield Booster, 4x Shield Hardeners
Lows: 2x Gyro Stab, 1x CoProcessor, 2x Nano
I'm not interested in hearing "get a Typhoon or Raven" as neither one interests me a whole lot being that I love artillery, and have no interest in training up Caldari ships. I know a Fleet Tempest would give me the best of both (more shields, and a double damage bonus) - but that's a ways off.
I know the Maelstrom was less than impressive in most respects - but given my success with the Cyclone I'm wondering if it would work well as a level 4 mission runner - and perhaps out perform the Tempest, maybe not in damage, but at least in tanking which tends to be a little more important in missions.
Do you guys have any advice to offer on which of these two to go for? As well as any adjustments to the fittings that might make things a bit easier for my first few level 4 missions?
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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:05:00 -
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Setup looks fine you may have to tweak it a bit once you start, but looks ok.
I suggest when you start doing lvl4 to scout the missions first (in a shuttle) and also choose missions that you know you can handle like missions where you can snipe.
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Diana Merris
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:19:00 -
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Shield tanked Tempest works just fine in missions, especially with the assault launchers as you posted. The Maelstrom will have problems with frigates due to lack of assault launchers.
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Triest
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Triest on 04/12/2006 14:36:19
I'm not sure why you're using two nanofibers on your Maelstrom when you've got it fitted with artillery. If nothing else, examine a 1 nano/1 inertial stabilizer or dual inertial stabilizer fitting, since the Maelstrom has a high mass and you've got an afterburner fitted. Personally, though, I would put PDS IIs in, or perhaps another gyrostab and a tracking enhancer.
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:50:00 -
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I'd suggest training electronics to lvl 5 if you haven't, ditto with weapons upgrades, you shouldn't need 2 co-pros on a mael.
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 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
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Bottled Brain
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bottled Brain on 04/12/2006 14:51:26
Originally by: Jigensama
The tempest was my first choice fitted like this:
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High: 6x1200mm Scouts, 2x Assault Missles
Middle: 1 100MN ABII, 1XL Shield Booster, 3x Shield Hardeners
Lows: 2x CoProcessors, 2x Gryo Stabs, 1x Power Diag, 1x Nano
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TWO co-procs seem a bit mutch.
I don¦t know your skills (electronics, weapon upgrades), but you could use more named stuff to reduce cpu, like malkuth assault launchers, clarity xl-shield booster, named hardeners (anointed em ward etc...) and even named power diags (beta reactor). Maybe you can squeeze in a damage control aswell.
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Reinala
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:57:00 -
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1) I fly Machariel with shield tank and 1400T2.
2) I despise Maelstrom.
3) I really suggest you to start with Maelstrom. With all it's cow-like uglyness, it can T1 tank on par with faction fitted Machariel.
Throw away AB, don't need it - you WILL learn to kill them on aproach eventualy. Frigs will be eaten by drones, don't need launchers on Tempest really - won't help you agains scrambling frigs - which is always interceptor-class.
1200 is easier to fit, especialy on Maelstrom, but 1400 is better, especialy if you put enough PDS in low (actualy, it's the beauty of artillery shield tank - you only need balance gyro/PDS in low).
And btw, XL booster+3xHards+1xCR seems to be better tank for Maelstrom, but I did't test it much.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:09:00 -
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While I agree that running lvl 4 missions is probably the best use for a Maelstrom its still outclassed by a cheaper and less skill intensive ship for that matter, the raven, but you dont want to hear about that so ignore the last sentence.
Anyway dont bother with the harder lvl 4¦s in any minni BS if you havent at least 6 Mio SP in gunnery and BS lvl 4 better 5 plus all basic fitting skills like engineering, electronics and weapon upgrades at lvl 5.
Good drone skills to deal with the scrambling frigs fast wont hurt either.
And no I¦m not giving you some elitist opinion here, its youst a fact that Minni BS (and most minni ships for that matter) require generally more SP to work properly then any other
You can do the easier lvl 4 missions without those skills but in that case running lvl 3s with your cyclone will yield much more isk over time.
As for your original question: With low skills the Mael is probably better if you have decent drone skills to kill the tacklers fast enough.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:20:00 -
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Use a Tempest for shield tanking (Angels) and a Typhoon for armor tanking, at least until you can afford a Machariel.
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Jigensama
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:22:00 -
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Well, the CPU consumption is so high for two reasons:
1) Electronics 4, Weapon Upgrades 3, this is next in line for training after the BS skill.
2) Tanking gear is tech II - Shield boosters, and hardeners - which seems to suck up a lot more CPU than the Tech I counterparts. I'm sorry I didn't mention that with that in the original post.
I was under the impression that L4 missions more or less required Tech II tanking - would it be worthwhile to trade down to named Tech I gear and bump up the damage?
And for the record I used to be flying gallente ships so my drone skills are up to par (tech II med's and lights), gunnery is catching up, but I'm far from the 6M sp in it (heck, I don't even have that much total yet) that one person suggested.
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