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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:00:00 -
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*checks callender, nods*
*dons flame resistant suit*
Yep, Time for another Shard request.
Give us another Shard, wouldnt hurt much, promise.
Hell,I'd pay double for the chance.
HEAR THAT CCP,YOU'D MAKE MORE MONEY.
Think about it; all you people who hate the idea of shards could gladly have this one all to yourselves.
I would suspect all the old timers, all the made men so to speak, all the rare BPO ISK generators, all the huge Alliances, all the insanely rich, insanely bored uber billion SP folks would be content without all us n00bs jamming up the works, eh?
Probably not.
Or maybe you pine for the days when you could find multiple Empire systems with no one in it at all.
A Hubless world.
When you could find an Empire ME lab slot open as a noob, huh?
A world where you can actually hope to posess a high end BPO through a Lottery...
A blobless world, a world without a gate camp on every choke.
A world without endless alts, for a while anyway.
A fresh start, new charracter, a crappy ship and a unit of Trit.
Everyone flying around in Frigs and Cruisers frantically trying to earn enough for a BS.
I just don't see why anyone would not (who hasnt "won" EVE already) want this.
The usual response is
"Thats because EVE is EVE because of no shards!"
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:05:00 -
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You have admitted that you're reposting something that has been discussed a thousand odd times before.
You have admitted you should put on the flameproof suit as you're going to get flamed.
Your post is worded in a sarcastic manner.
Why bother to even post, other than to troll after a server outage?
For reference:
Eve's entire economical stability relies on supply and demand of one community, on one server, with one market broken down into several regions.
You can't "Win" Eve. It's an open ended MMOG.
This would totally destroy Eve's in-game political warfare. "omg they took our space... screw it, lets move to the other server."
That'll be a no from me then...
VETO FOR HIRE
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Taaketa Frist
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 04/12/2006 01:07:02
EVE is EVE because the players have developed it and made what it is NOW.
EVE will not be EVE if they can just whack up another server and press the reset button all the damn time.
Experiance > skills+assets
EDIT: Cos I did my Mr. Crunch wrong and oh.
NO.
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Afrodite Etnellag
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Afrodite Etnellag on 04/12/2006 01:08:55
Go play wow plenty of them there
on a serious note, i hope you do not adress real life that way as well, "in the search of the second shard" you could end up hating everybody arround you
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Volatar
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Taaketa Frist
NO.
QFT
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Michayel Lyon
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:11:00 -
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1. Move to China and play on Serenity.
2. ...
3. Win!
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Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied?
Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions
The Game - You just lost it |
Lucifer Fellblade
Caldari
Ore Mongers
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Volatar
Originally by: Taaketa Frist
NO.
QFT
QFMFT
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Coasterbrian
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:23:00 -
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Look at what has happened with Serenity. Players with previous knowledge of the game went over and powerbuilt unbelieveably fast. The first battleship was built literally within the first 24 hours. They had a titan before anybody could fly it. While I don't think it would get that extreme, the problem is that within six months or so, the server would be comparable to TQ with probably just less capital ships.
Within a month, battleships will start to become common. Within two, tech II equipment will start showing up. It will be different cartels, but cartels nonetheless because groups of people will immediately start several accounts and throw the characters into research agents as fast as possible.
Within a year, it would be exactly the same situation as TQ because people know how to "powerlevel" so to speak (optimal mix of attributes and learning skills to skill up quickly) and 18 million skillpoint characters would not be out of the question. All space will be claimed, chokepoints will be camped every day, and people will be screaming for another shard yet again. While it may give a minimal fresh start, the older players of 2+ or 3+ years will still have the advantage of superior knowledge and experience.
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I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say. |
MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade
Originally by: Volatar
Originally by: Taaketa Frist
NO.
QFT
QFMFT
QFTMFALT
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 04/12/2006 01:29:24
Quote:
You can't "Win" Eve. It's an open ended MMOG.
Your right in the strictest sense of the word, but ISK making machines get you damn close,and guess what only the old timers have em.(or possibly e-bay isk buyers.)
I bet you anything most n00bs would agree and would like the option, unfortunately most dont/wont post here.
BTW, Coasterbrian good points, I didnt think so deeply.
Doesnt matter, I knew I would be smacked down, I still would like to see at least ONE other Shard, a NEW one. |
Neon Genesis
Gallente
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:33:00 -
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It absolutely astounds me that someone can play this game and make such a stupid post.
It is a very fair and true counter argument to say 'this is what makes eve, eve' by the way.
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Bastogne
Caldari
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:45:00 -
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I thought this was the general discussion forum not the horrible horrible ideas forums.
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Taaketa Frist
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo
Doesnt matter, I knew I would be smacked down, I still would like to see at least ONE other Shard, a NEW one.
You seriously considered that smacked down?
...
Get some guts that was nothing.
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Dang nabit |
Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:47:00 -
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Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Coasterbrian
Look at what has happened with Serenity. Players with previous knowledge of the game went over and powerbuilt unbelieveably fast. The first battleship was built literally within the first 24 hours. They had a titan before anybody could fly it. While I don't think it would get that extreme, the problem is that within six months or so, the server would be comparable to TQ with probably just less capital ships.
Within a month, battleships will start to become common. Within two, tech II equipment will start showing up. It will be different cartels, but cartels nonetheless because groups of people will immediately start several accounts and throw the characters into research agents as fast as possible.
Within a year, it would be exactly the same situation as TQ because people know how to "powerlevel" so to speak (optimal mix of attributes and learning skills to skill up quickly) and 18 million skillpoint characters would not be out of the question. All space will be claimed, chokepoints will be camped every day, and people will be screaming for another shard yet again. While it may give a minimal fresh start, the older players of 2+ or 3+ years will still have the advantage of superior knowledge and experience.
Sorry to break the quote chain, but QFT.
I would only consider playing on the new shard if it were a redesigned galaxy and things were released at the same relative time as on TQ. Sure they could have the same stats, but inties would be released the same amount of time after the game started on TQ. Same with battleships, etc. Things were done in stages for mixed reasons, one being they weren't working yet and the other being that the community wasn't ready for them yet.
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Maria Ravenwind
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:50:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
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Jason Marshall
Infinite Innovations
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo
*checks callender, nods*
*dons flame resistant suit*
Yep, Time for another Shard request.
Give us another Shard, wouldnt hurt much, promise.
Hell,I'd pay double for the chance.
HEAR THAT CCP,YOU'D MAKE MORE MONEY.
Think about it; all you people who hate the idea of shards could gladly have this one all to yourselves.
I would suspect all the old timers, all the made men so to speak, all the rare BPO ISK generators, all the huge Alliances, all the insanely rich, insanely bored uber billion SP folks would be content without all us n00bs jamming up the works, eh?
Probably not.
Or maybe you pine for the days when you could find multiple Empire systems with no one in it at all.
A Hubless world.
When you could find an Empire ME lab slot open as a noob, huh?
A world where you can actually hope to posess a high end BPO through a Lottery...
A blobless world, a world without a gate camp on every choke.
A world without endless alts, for a while anyway.
A fresh start, new charracter, a crappy ship and a unit of Trit.
Everyone flying around in Frigs and Cruisers frantically trying to earn enough for a BS.
I just don't see why anyone would not (who hasnt "won" EVE already) want this.
The usual response is
"Thats because EVE is EVE because of no shards!"
Try to do better than that.
who is your main?
Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw! |
Soporo
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Posted - 2006.12.04 02:07:00 -
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Quote:
I would only consider playing on the new shard if it were a redesigned galaxy and things were released at the same relative time as on TQ. Sure they could have the same stats, but inties would be released the same amount of time after the game started on TQ. Same with battleships, etc. Things were done in stages for mixed reasons, one being they weren't working yet and the other being that the community wasn't ready for them yet.
Good lord, another rational response, I'm in luck.
Thats a good point, your right, I wish it would happen.
Why does that other person want to know who my main is anyway? |
Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo
The usual response is
"Thats because EVE is EVE because of no shards!"
Try to do better than that.
Hi, you suck.
That do ?
More seriously, the Eve economy struggled quite severely early on in teh game when population was low. Split the population and it will again.
The same goes for the politics stuff, and general player made content. You need a certain critical mass for the game to be able to evolve. Shards deny each server the chance to ever get that critical mass again, resulting in stagnant and contentless universes.
Old blog |
Soporo
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Posted - 2006.12.04 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 04/12/2006 02:22:31
Weeding or thresshing or flailing or whatever the chaff from the grain is a pain in the ass with you people, but at least now I am getting a reasonably good idea WHY everyone thinks it isnt a good idea.
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Jap Bookmarker
Minmatar
The Wanderers
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Posted - 2006.12.04 02:25:00 -
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Sharding would be nice.
Very nice.
It would reduce lag on TQ aswell as on the new server and allow many to discover a brand new world.
EVE advertises as a seemless world, but as a fleet battle game too.
It delivers the first, at the expense of the latter.
Last but not least, it's funny reading people flaming the sharding idea, which means they don't want the people who ask for sharding to leave. *giggles*
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.12.04 02:39:00 -
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Maybe a different ruleset? One char per account, all BPC's, empires in the corners of the galaxy with 0.0 in the middle, shrug. Maybe. We could talk about it. Don't think they'll split the server though, unless they absolutely hit some sort of hardware/performance wall that's impossible to solve.
They can always add more nodes and play with market taxes or factory fees to disband Jita and disperse the population.
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Merchantigus
Minmatar
Riot Zone
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Posted - 2006.12.04 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 04/12/2006 02:49:07
go die pls ktnx
and people want to know who your main is so they can pod you for making such a retarded post
Ps: who's your main? 
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.04 02:50:00 -
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I'll leave my more patient colleagues to explain why not in depth and keep it simple.
No.
EVE as a single-sharded world means its possible for everyone else to influence everyone else. This makes it special, and actually makes your accomplishments have meaning.
No.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.12.04 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
EVE as a single-sharded world means its possible for everyone else to influence everyone else. This makes it special, and actually makes your accomplishments have meaning.
I'm not arguing for sharding, I don't really like it. But your argument is flawed, in that when playing EVE you cannot influence "everyone else" as in players who don't play EVE aren't influenced. Now, if said players play on the new shard, you still wouldn't be able to "influence" them if you stay on the old one.
What the playerbase will do isn't that easily predictable. Depends on what CCP does, for example allowing existing accounts access to both servers would probably result in some people switching, others playing on both, whereas if they require new accounts for the new server, they may surpass 200k subscriptions, instead of 150k or whatever.
Anyway. It's also very possible that it could ruin the game, shrug. Or, ruin TQ and if the new server is "meh", then they end up with 2 "meh" shards instead of one strong one. The new server could follow the path that Singularity took...
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