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Duff Man Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 05:54:00 - [1] Just wondering if there is any update on the Dual Core CPU CTD issue and whether it is being addressed in Tuesday's patch. I have had to actually create a seperate Boot up rthat loads windows with only 1 core to get a stable EvE client. Not only is this actually rather annoying to do logistically, it also essentially means that I'm running my lovely dual core processor at 50% to play. If its not going to be addressed in Tuesday's patch then so be it. At least tell us though that the issue is in fact being looked into as a high priority.
Allantia Caldari FW Inc	Posted - 2006.12.04 06:57:00 - [2] .....All you need to do is set the EVE process affinity to a single core. I've yet to have a single CTD.
Mandible	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:10:00 - [3] Allantia, i guess its early and you forgot to read the other 95% of the OP's post, because then you would see that he disables halve of his cpu when booting already (same as i do). It is indeed a shame of the fast running system so lets hope CCP fixes iyt with the next patch.
Jojin Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Allantia .....All you need to do is set the EVE process affinity to a single core. I've yet to have a single CTD. This only lowers the amount of crashes, but does not eliminate them. I assume there will be slight variations with different hardware configurations. I personally hate crashing frequently when I undock or jump into a new system.
Duff Man Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Allantia .....All you need to do is set the EVE process affinity to a single core. I've yet to have a single CTD. Actually this did not resolve the issue for me. I had to completely disable the 2nd core as i've mentioned.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:18:00 - [6] Part of the crashing comes from officially by MS acknowledged bugs in the latest DirectX changes. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 07:38:00 - [7] I didn't know there was an issue. I'm running an Athlon 64x2 4800+ and never had a singal CTD.
Shugo Kazuma	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:07:00 - [8] I didn't even hear about this. EVE runs better on my Core 2 Duo laptop than it does on my P4 desktop (in that the P4 has crashed about 15 times since patch, I had to resort to using the laptop a few times to keep from crashing)
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:17:00 - [9] Running a c2d X6800 rig myself and not had any ctd's, but considering how long dual core's have been out the client really should have been made capable of taking full advantage of them really
Lyxiz	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:43:00 - [10] I'm experiencing the same problem (instability) and I'm also using dual core (Intel). Hope it get's fixed soon either by CCP or thirdparty (MS). Just adressing the issue whould be nice to start with.
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:21:00 - [11] Edited by: MOS DEF on 04/12/2006 11:22:03 The issue is with multiple CPU's not dualcore accordign to a dev reply somewhere. Running a dualcore CPU here myself and there is no problems. Edit: Hmm looks like some coreduo users are affected.

Oveur	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Lyxiz I'm experiencing the same problem (instability) and I'm also using dual core (Intel). Hope it get's fixed soon either by CCP or thirdparty (MS). Just adressing the issue whould be nice to start with. This has been noted as known issue that's being worked on in news and forum replies ... and in the "Known Issues" section We're working with MS to find a solution. Till then, setting Affinity to each of the cores reduces the crashes. If you still have as frequent crashes, I'd look into something else causing it (soundcards have been known to do this). Best thing to help out with is sending us bug reports with dump logs (it's in your EVE folder). Senior Producer EVE Online

keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:41:00 - [13] Morning Oveur o/ ---------------- Where are the scan probe BPOs?
Duff Man Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Lyxiz I'm experiencing the same problem (instability) and I'm also using dual core (Intel). Hope it get's fixed soon either by CCP or thirdparty (MS). Just adressing the issue whould be nice to start with. This has been noted as known issue that's being worked on in news and forum replies ... and in the "Known Issues" section We're working with MS to find a solution. Till then, setting Affinity to each of the cores reduces the crashes. If you still have as frequent crashes, I'd look into something else causing it (soundcards have been known to do this). Best thing to help out with is sending us bug reports with dump logs (it's in your EVE folder). Oveur just a note, I was getting crashes every 3 to 5 minutes and setting the processor affinity to one of the CPU cores didn't seem to make any difference. I know the issue is Dual Core related though, as i've modified Boot.ini so that actually have an an option to boot into windows using only a single core. When using the windows boot option with 2 cores I get a CTD every 3 to 5 minutes. WHen using the single core Boot option (So that windows itself only sees 1 core) I get no CTDs at all, even during hours of play and jumping through 100 jumps of travel. I'd say that's pretty clear cut
Necrosmith Gallente Wife lets me play corp	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:47:00 - [15] ditto Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."

Oveur	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Duff Man Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Lyxiz I'm experiencing the same problem (instability) and I'm also using dual core (Intel). Hope it get's fixed soon either by CCP or thirdparty (MS). Just adressing the issue whould be nice to start with. This has been noted as known issue that's being worked on in news and forum replies ... and in the "Known Issues" section We're working with MS to find a solution. Till then, setting Affinity to each of the cores reduces the crashes. If you still have as frequent crashes, I'd look into something else causing it (soundcards have been known to do this). Best thing to help out with is sending us bug reports with dump logs (it's in your EVE folder). Oveur just a note, I was getting crashes every 3 to 5 minutes and setting the processor affinity to one of the CPU cores didn't seem to make any difference. I know the issue is Dual Core related though, as i've modified Boot.ini so that actually have an an option to boot into windows using only a single core. When using the windows boot option with 2 cores I get a CTD every 3 to 5 minutes. WHen using the single core Boot option (So that windows itself only sees 1 core) I get no CTDs at all, even during hours of play and jumping through 100 jumps of travel. I'd say that's pretty clear cut Indeed, there are examples where only removing the other core or CPU fixes it, but we haven't found a pattern and it's far a less frequent scenario. Senior Producer EVE Online

Duff Man Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:35:00 - [17] Righto as long as you are aware of it Thank you for the replies and acknowledgement, I am a Network Administrator by trade, if there is anything that I can do specifically to assist in troubleshooting this issue please contact me on my provided e-mail address, I will be more than happy to assist.
Eck Hauler Elite frontier group Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:38:00 - [18] The only crashes ive had since the patch is running 2 clients with my audigy. C2D e6300 fine with 1 client, no crashes. Disable my audigy and use onboard and i can use 2
Phoenix Jones	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:52:00 - [19] Well been having constant ctd's, Dual core Amd opteron. Reloaded PC this weekend too... crash crash crash. Set it up to run off 1 core... Crash Put in the img file someone suggested.. crash Patched it to the begebeez.. crash Checked for rogue programs... nada. PC is CLEAN. Crashes randomly whenever I gate or undock/dock. Strangely, I can run a 2 hour mission in a system no problem. That and drone lag. ---------------The Low Sec Issue------------- Gatecamps that kill all who pass with no remorse and in many cases, no possible way of retaliation, is not PVP.
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C	Posted - 2006.12.05 16:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Phoenix Jones Well been having constant ctd's, Dual core Amd opteron. Reloaded PC this weekend too... crash crash crash. Set it up to run off 1 core... Crash Put in the img file someone suggested.. crash Patched it to the begebeez.. crash Checked for rogue programs... nada. PC is CLEAN. Crashes randomly whenever I gate or undock/dock. Strangely, I can run a 2 hour mission in a system no problem. That and drone lag. I am in the same boat. Anytime a try a session change its 50/50 that I will CTD. Before Kali 1, this happened...but now after Kali 1, the problem is amplified exponentially. Not sure what else to do...and I really dont have the gumption to help beta test EVE right now (did that back in 2002) Merc Blog
civari Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2006.12.05 16:20:00 - [21] Edited by: civari on 05/12/2006 16:21:48 Start 2 clients. I have never crashed with 2 clients open. I crash all the time with only 1 client open. (I run dual amd cpu) Setting affinity doesnt help me at all. Booting up windows with one core does help, but always makes my eve laggy. (me dont like that) You do this by adding /onecpu in your boot.ini file. Video: Fun in Geminate
Issle Gallente VentureCorp	Posted - 2006.12.09 16:01:00 - [22] I just recently heard about this from a colleague. I'm thankful to say this has not been happening to me. I've been using dual CPU machines exclusively since the days of the Pentium 200 (back in my day, we didnt have no fancy 'dualcore' toys like you young pups). Currently, dual 2.8Ghz Xeon (w/HT, shows as 4 cores to XP) on a supermicro X5DAL-TG2 mobo, 2 gigs of ECC ram. Being the relic that I am, I've only got an X1600 for my AGP video, with X-Fi audio backing things up. What I'm curious about is the statistics on these crashes. Is it primarily people using onboard audio? Are they Pentium D class duals, or Core Duo? (or AMD, for that matter) - what kind of RAM is involved? Nobody wants to drop 2.5G's on a new rig just to find out their fave game is going to be rendered nearly unplayable. Are more crashes occuring by people who run XP Home vs. Media edition or Corporate/Professional? Even if there isn't a quick fix in sight, a rundown on the most common hardware/software profiles affected would certainly be a welcome thing. Unless I missed exactly such a post, and you could call me stupid then politely point me to it.
Ehrys Marakai Caldari Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.09 16:33:00 - [23] I have an AMD 3800+ X2 Sckt 939 I had crashes every 3-5 minutes until I upgraded the CPU driver that's available on the AMD website. The driver addresses a timer issue on the CPU. Ever since I installed this upgrade I have had no CTD issues. This may be the root of the problem. Originally by: "AMD Website" AMD Dual-Core Optimizer - The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer can help improve some PC gaming video performance by compensating for those applications that bypass the Windows API for timing by directly using the RDTSC (Read Time Stamp Counter) instruction. Applications that rely on RDTSC do not benefit from the logic in the operating system to properly account for the affect of power management mechanisms on the rate at which a processor core's Time Stamp Counter (TSC) is incremented. The AMD Dual-Core Optimizer helps to correct the resulting video performance effects or other incorrect timing effects that these applications may experience on dual-core processor systems, by periodically adjusting the core time-stamp-counters, so that they are synchronized. AMD Optimiser Tool AMD X2 Support Website
Duff Man Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.09 16:55:00 - [24] Now that I see this thread back on the page i'd better post an update. The CTD issues that I had were fully resolved by the last patch released (the one after Revelations, last tuesday from memory). I am now running my machine in Dual Core without needing to set affinity or anything of the like, and have had no CTDs since.
Majutsu Caldari S.Y.N.D	Posted - 2006.12.09 16:57:00 - [25] I have a core duo and get no CTD's, ever. Not edited anything or changed processor affinity.

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