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Crag Heyder Gallente Icosothron Industries	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:12:00 - [1] Heya all, A word of advice for would be pirates (i.e. the ransoming type). If your are going to ransom, then ransom. If you are going to kill, kill. But don't kill, then change your mind and ransom. You will probably lose money. Here is a tasty little morsel of a story (in which I am the victim): So I'm running lvl IVs in lowsec - a risky ventre, especially now. I was a little complacent, blowing stuff up, making some ISK. When suddenly, flashing red on my overview. I try to warp, but too late. My megathron is hobbled, despite the WCS (hey, I always use on on mission running...). So after 30 minutes I lock the inty (actually it was like a minute, lol) and suddenly, in warps all kindsa bad mofos, scramming me, laying out damage... So I watch the show - BOOM! A good kill by the pirate party - fitted for rats, I didn't even manage to get a single one with me :(. So then I try to warp out my pod, scrammed. I knew it, it's over. Then something funny happened: I get a contact from the pirate gang leader. I respond to his hail. 'Sup', I say. The reply '30 mil for your pod, sir'. 'lol', I reply as I hit the self destruct. Here's the thing. I would have paid 50 mil for my ship and fittings, but they had to get their killboard points. I think ISK is a little better. They tried to hold my pod ransom for more than 60 times it's worth. I had a clone 1 jump away and no implants. I would venture - if ransom is what you're after, try it BEFORE you kill them. It's easier to demand pay for something you have (i.e. my captive mega), rather than for something you think you have (my pod with a set of +4 implants). I don't typically have implants of that nature, for the very specific reason - I don't want to lose them. A good (if a little one sided) kill, though. Makes me appreciate what effort I put into getting that, but don't worry, I'll be back - just stick with your friends...
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:20:00 - [2] Yeah. If theres a good chance for a ransom then I just might, but so few pay its not worth it. (also when blowing up a really badly fitted Teir 3 Battleship (rokh), I want the killmail Rather then the money tbh :P ). I have ransomed, but never for pods. If they carry implants then yeah, but I have no way of telling. Stupid idiots should have ransomed your BS tbh :) Red Storm Vendetta is now recruiting! Click me for more info
Ironnight Caldari Bloody Needles	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:32:00 - [3] With the amount of +4 implants giving out by agents, I would randsom the pod to and get the killmail for the ship
John Bishop Caldari Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:03:00 - [4] to be honest your right about many dont pay ransom but it only takes a few seconds to ask so why not. _______________________________________________ Originally by: Rodj Blake Large Beam Spec 5 is a really good skill to have, because it almost puts you on a par with people using T1 projectiles. [:lol:
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:09:00 - [5] u've so got it wrong i'm afraid. it's not all about making isk in eve. they will have got enjoyment from blowing up ur ship. squishing pods can be fun put better to get isk as most fit implants these days. i do the same myself. not because we're stupid but because it works for what we want. sure some ppl won't have implants or care about pod but many do and i'd rather watch a mega go boom and collect mods than get paid 30-50mil for it tbh. DE
Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:10:00 - [6] Risk vs. Reward. Pods can't fire back, but who knows what your BS might have been capable of. It is far easier to ransom a helpless target than it is one with teeth. And again you might have had implants. Lanfear's Bane. _ _ _
Leikeze Mrotserif Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:04:00 - [7] I like isk
Crag Heyder Gallente Icosothron Industries	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:09:00 - [8] Yes - you're all bringing up valid points. I did lose some good mods on that ship, I'm sure they got some good points. It just seemed a little silly to ransom the pod, but it's true, they didn't know that I had no implants, and the cost of replacing clones has gone way down. So at least it gave me an opportunity to laugh in their face
Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Crag Heyder Yes - you're all bringing up valid points. I did lose some good mods on that ship, I'm sure they got some good points. It just seemed a little silly to ransom the pod, but it's true, they didn't know that I had no implants, and the cost of replacing clones has gone way down. So at least it gave me an opportunity to laugh in their face They got your ship and your pod and you are still laughing? I think you should have taken it as an opportunity to put on a brave face and die like a man. Lanfear's Bane. _ _ _
Varelse Wiggin Minmatar Fleet Of Elite The Imperial Order	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Crag Heyder Yes - you're all bringing up valid points. I did lose some good mods on that ship, I'm sure they got some good points. It just seemed a little silly to ransom the pod, but it's true, they didn't know that I had no implants, and the cost of replacing clones has gone way down. So at least it gave me an opportunity to laugh in their face They got your ship and your pod and you are still laughing? I think you should have taken it as an opportunity to put on a brave face and die like a man. Lanfear's Bane. You're a joke.
Neal Cassady	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Crag Heyder Yes - you're all bringing up valid points. I did lose some good mods on that ship, I'm sure they got some good points. It just seemed a little silly to ransom the pod, but it's true, they didn't know that I had no implants, and the cost of replacing clones has gone way down. So at least it gave me an opportunity to laugh in their face They got your ship and your pod and you are still laughing? I think you should have taken it as an opportunity to put on a brave face and die like a man. Lanfear's Bane. You're a joke. If Lanfear's Bane is a joke, then he's a horrible, mean-spirited joke gone terribly awry which most likely caused several formerly happy children to cry.
Jaded	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Risk vs. Reward. Pods can't fire back, but who knows what your BS might have been capable of. It is far easier to ransom a helpless target than it is one with teeth. And again you might have had implants. Lanfear's Bane. Aaaah.. So this is what pirates have in mind when they complain about risk vs. reward for mission runners. Silly me thought you were all hypocrites, but it seems there really is some risk involved in pirating..
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Neal Cassady Originally by: Varelse Wiggin Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Crag Heyder Yes - you're all bringing up valid points. I did lose some good mods on that ship, I'm sure they got some good points. It just seemed a little silly to ransom the pod, but it's true, they didn't know that I had no implants, and the cost of replacing clones has gone way down. So at least it gave me an opportunity to laugh in their face They got your ship and your pod and you are still laughing? I think you should have taken it as an opportunity to put on a brave face and die like a man. Lanfear's Bane. You're a joke. If Lanfear's Bane is a joke, then he's a horrible, mean-spirited joke gone terribly awry which most likely caused several formerly happy children to cry. Every time lanfears bane speaks I burst into tears Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD!
Akane Miyamoto Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:09:00 - [14] Edited by: Akane Miyamoto on 05/12/2006 00:10:44 Heh, if I pop the ship after the pilot rejects the ransom and I manage to lock his/her pod before it warps out I usually convo and ask if his/her pod is worth anything If not -> pop, otherwise ransom I honestly sometimes wonder why mission probers don't have a ship scanner in the scanner ship.. The professional teams do though.. --------------------------------------------------
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:14:00 - [15] Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 05/12/2006 00:16:05 Originally by: Neal Cassady If Lanfear's Bane is a joke, then he's a horrible, mean-spirited joke gone terribly awry which most likely caused several formerly happy children to cry. I rofled in my pod again. But seriously, unless preserving the ship in question is more valuable to its pilot than its destruction is to me, I will destroy the ship. Of course, there are many ships that are worth quite a lot to the pilot, but not much at all to me. Most of the time, however, it's safer, easier and more fun to just destroy the ship and sort through the wreckage for valuable trinkets. This is especially true of mission runners. _ Do Unto Others.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:32:00 - [16] shrugs They made the choice to kill you while they could before you potentially (mind you) might logoff your ship, or bring in friends, or whatever...I can't blame them for that, I'd probably have made the same call in their place. The day logoffski gets fixed will likely be the day a lot more pirates start ransoming ships imo, as there'd be a lot more of a guarantee that they couldn't run from a victorious ganksquad.
Dario Wall Caldari Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:45:00 - [17] When I used to pirate, if someone rejected a ransom for their ship, I would not bother ransoming the pod. If they're not going to pay to save the ship, then they don't need to be given a chance to save their pod. Besides, I like the SQUISH sound pods and corpses make All your sigs are belong to us - Xorus
Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:03:00 - [18] In a close fight you also don't really want to be risking turning off your highslots to offer a monetary settlement and lose any edge you had. I have come out of a 1v1 against a Raven with 6% structure, not a situation I would even be thinking about ransoming. Invarabily it's safer to shoot first and ask for ransoms later. Lanfear's Bane. _ _ _
Ashina Sito	Posted - 2006.12.05 02:57:00 - [19] Edited by: Ashina Sito on 05/12/2006 02:57:16 I'll do one better, although it was a gate camp. It doesn't do any good to try and ransom a pod when one of your fellow gate campers blows it up as you make the offer.
Kittsy	Posted - 2006.12.05 03:31:00 - [20] Just wait till rigs start coming out.. imagine the ransoms you could get for a fully rigged out ship... though I have doubts anyone is going to fly one of those in lowsec >.<
DimiTrip	Posted - 2006.12.05 04:50:00 - [21] this is my humble opinion: ransome are NOT to be payed. never. actually - some pirates that felt they going down offered to pay ransoms. but no.
Crag Heyder Gallente Icosothron Industries	Posted - 2006.12.05 17:57:00 - [22] To clarify - I was in the pirating biz for a little while and am mainly a PvP player, so I understand the philosophy of the ransom - hence the reason not to have +4 implants. I guess to clarify my original post: There were about 8 of em (from Snigg - BTW - NPCs got the killmail ) and they had very little difficulty in bringing down my thron (I was fitted for missions - but if not, I may have lasted long enough to at least get the pesky tackler). It just seemed to me like an afterthought, to ransom my pod. That was my point. They could have ransomed the ship, then if I didn't pay, blow it up, then ransom the pod. Then if I didn't pay, blow it up. That's all I was trying to say. Quote: Pods can't fire back, but who knows what your BS might have been capable of. It is far easier to ransom a helpless target than it is one with teeth. And again you might have had implants. Simple - when I'm in 10-15% structure, tell me to unlock all targets and stand down. Then ransom me at will. Quote: They got your ship and your pod and you are still laughing? I think you should have taken it as an opportunity to put on a brave face and die like a man. I'm not actually sure what you mean. I thought laughing in the face of death was a brave thing to do. Have you any suggestions as to how I could be more defiant? Quote: They made the choice to kill you while they could before you potentially (mind you) might logoff your ship, or bring in friends, or whatever...I can't blame them for that, I'd probably have made the same call in their place. I heard that - IF ANY OF YOU COME ACROSS CRAG HEYDER - HE DOES NOT LOG OFF! (Just in case you want to fight me Quote: When I used to pirate, if someone rejected a ransom for their ship, I would not bother ransoming the pod. If they're not going to pay to save the ship, then they don't need to be given a chance to save their pod. Me too - for the most part... Finally - I am glad that the 8 snigg dudes thought I was enough of a threat to not risk me biting back - admittedly, I got a little complacent in the first place - should have holed up when I saw 8 snigg enter local. Snigg, I thank you for the reminder - watch your backs, you will at some point face me when the odds are a bit more even
Kamazani Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:21:00 - [23] Edited by: Kamazani on 05/12/2006 19:27:47 Edited by: Kamazani on 05/12/2006 19:26:36 the majority of these pirates do what they do cuz they have nothing better to do but flex their teeny weeny's. ransoms should never be paid, period, why? because someone who is willing to go the extra mile to kill YOU in a mission, unexpectedly and needlessly, isn't worth paying ransom to as they could go either way. would you trust to hand feed a dog if you got bit by one before? either way, I wouldn't be doing missions in low sec anymore. so..... this "risk vs. reward" argument by some of them. regarding mission running in low sec, doesn't rip a hemorrhoid with me. Look, I'm not against pirating, If I want to deal with them and take the risk with them I'll go to low sec or 0.0. and i do quite often in my rifter when i feel like doing courier missions or ratting in the belts. just a thought, if ccp feels the probes have caused more problems than they intended and pirates, doing what they tend to do, get out of control and they (ccp) decide to nerf the probes. what are you going to do, besides whine constantly? --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman?
ThisIsAScam	Posted - 2006.12.06 20:44:00 - [24] Edited by: ThisIsAScam on 06/12/2006 20:44:18 i killed a man once
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.06 20:53:00 - [25] Edited by: Horatio Nately on 06/12/2006 20:53:35 a lot of mission runners dont expect to get owned. and henceforth a lot of them have all kinds of mad expensive implants plugged in. even a full set of +3s w/o hardwirings is at least 80-100m isk, so IMO it was probably worth them trying to ransom the pod. Besides. Killmails are fun. --------------------------------------- Operations Officer, 808 Enterprises Yes Eight Oh Eight, Not Bee Oh Bee My Opinions pretty much represent my corp. Boo fkin hoo.
Jane Vladmir Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.07 01:24:00 - [26] Lets say the pirates were 5. 50m / 5 leaves 10m per pirate. The options the pirates had were either: Kill you, hoping to get some uber named stuff which could be worth billions and maybe even ransoming your pod for who knows what amount ..or.. Get 10m each and keep some of their sec. status, if not -10.0 already.
rubico1337 Caldari Nova Defense Industries	Posted - 2006.12.07 06:20:00 - [27] Originally by: John Bishop to be honest your right about many dont pay ransom but it only takes a few seconds to ask so why not. funny you didnt remember that a bit back when you podded me in my noob merlin without a convo or ransom or any reason at all, i have no problem with being killed when im carying somthing of value, or being ransomed. griefers like you are the reason most noobs dont continue playing eve
Marcus TheMartin Gallente MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 06:41:00 - [28] Originally by: rubico1337 Originally by: John Bishop to be honest your right about many dont pay ransom but it only takes a few seconds to ask so why not. funny you didnt remember that a bit back when you podded me in my noob merlin without a convo or ransom or any reason at all, i have no problem with being killed when im carying somthing of value, or being ransomed. griefers like you are the reason most noobs dont continue playing eve you were in a merlin if its not a cruiser or bigger I usually wont bother ransoming im trying to get to -10 lol Besides its people like you that are on the bottom of the food chain Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Shrivva Caldari R.U.D.E.	Posted - 2006.12.08 09:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin you were in a merlin if its not a cruiser or bigger I usually wont bother ransoming im trying to get to -10 lol Besides its people like you that are on the bottom of the food chain I dont bother with frigates or players under a month old when considering ransoms. I destroy their ships and leave their pods alone. However, if a player is older I ransom if possible from cruisers and up. I ransomed a Omen last night for 4 million. shrugs Beats popping a ship imo. ----------- "The average man will bristle if you say his father was dishonest, but he will brag a little if he discovers that his great-grandfather was a pirate." -----------

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