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Spanellie Elly
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:40:00 -
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Heya :)thanks for taking a look. I'm new to the game and looking for some advice My question is that I am looking for a ship that is very well rounded for PvP in a group of 3, and give me a little feedback on why they excel and what they faults would be.
Restrictions: -ship must be valued under 100 million isk. -ship must be the same for all 3 players.
an example from what little I know: 3x Crow Excels - moves very fast and avoiding taking hits, can take out small ships easily and lock them down Faults - Anything larger than a battlecruiser will be difficult as they don't provide enough damage to take them out.
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Borasao
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:51:00 -
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Just curious... but why do they have to be the same exact ships (3 of them)? A mix would probably give more flexibility (and thus more strength).
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:54:00 -
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- a faction fitted rattlesnake w/ crystal set - a faction fitted bhaalgorn w/ talisman set - a faction fitted vindicator w/ slave set
Oh wait, sub 100mil? How about three drakes with one medium shield transporter each? Three ships of the same type would be a bad choice tho. Something like a beagle + falcon + lachesis would probably be best.
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Spanellie Elly
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:54:00 -
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I plan on playing 3 ships at the same time, if they are all the same type it is easier to micro manage. For now though just looking at what ships would be effective it you throw 3 of them at something :) Thanks though for the reply :)
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Malena
Perpetual Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:48:00 -
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2 of a variety is better than 3 of the same kind IMO, especially for PvP. Just too much going too quickly, even with the HP boost.
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Nir
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:02:00 -
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3 passive shield tanked Drakes. No hardeners or boosters to turn on and missiles are fire and forget weapons. That takes all the micro management out of it.
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Alowishus
Shadow Company Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:03:00 -
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3x Ruptures:
4x Dual 180mm 2 2x Medium Nos 2 (fit one of them with a remote armor rep)
1x MWD 1x Scram 1x Web
5x Nano (or 4x Nano and 1x DC)
5x Light Drones T2
Most fun you'll ever have in Eve.
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Danjira Ryuujin
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:48:00 -
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Is this common? People 3 boxing or whatever? I hoped to leave this crap behind in other MMO's.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.05 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 05/12/2006 01:05:15
Originally by: Nir 3 passive shield tanked Drakes. No hardeners or boosters to turn on and missiles are fire and forget weapons. That takes all the micro management out of it.
That was my first thought too. And mix HAMLs, HAMs and AMLs (2:3:2 sounds about right) for a nice "vs just about anything" even if engagement ranges are all messed up (most PvP is in all ranges though, so it won't matter much). Add FoFs to the mix (for the HAMs and AMLs) and you're even ECM-immune... you're already NOS-immune (or close to), so what else is there except tanking (and you got that pretty well covered already). I guess all what's left to do is stay out of SBing range :D
Or you know, if you hate too much micro-management, just skill FoF missiles to L5 and fit ONLY HMLs/AMLs with only FoF missiles (diff. damage types, 3 kin, 2 Therm, 1 EM, 1 Exp)... warp in, activate all, go AFK.
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.12.05 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin Is this common? People 3 boxing or whatever? I hoped to leave this crap behind in other MMO's.
"this crap"? In Eve at least it takes a heckuvalotta skill to manage two accounts simultaneously (ie one scouting, one following either going for or avoding contacts), even with dual screens. I consider it perfectly fair to use multiple accounts, not because I've paid more than other people, but because it's quite difficult and requires player skill (as opposed to SP) to use to maximum effectiveness. So it's not a case of more RL money for more effect, it's a case of more in game effort and skill for more effect.
I've never tried fighting with two chars at the same time, let alone three (in PvP this is, I know PvE would be managable). It'd be difficult I think but I know it's possible and kudos to people who do. I plan to give it a go soon.
If you're doing three accounts then as people have said passive (shield) tanks are 4tw. I guess Ravens or Caldari Commandship thingies would do it "best" if ISK is no problem, but the Drake seems cheaper and nearly as effective. - - - - - - - - - -
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.05 01:13:00 -
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Well, Vultures are about same cost in ISK and a heluva' more "tanky", but the SP "cost" to fly'em is insane.
So yeah, Drakes with FoFs would be the least trouble and bring you pretty decent results for the lack of micromanaging need. Heck, full passive tank Drakes with FoFs only wouldn't be too hard to "run" even by the dozens by a single person, doubt you'd have the raw CPU power needed to run so many clients (let alone screen space). _____ -sig-
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Danjira Ryuujin
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Posted - 2006.12.05 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Danjira Ryuujin on 05/12/2006 01:46:22
Originally by: Zhaine
"this crap"? In Eve at least it takes a heckuvalotta skill to manage two accounts simultaneously (ie one scouting, one following either going for or avoding contacts), even with dual screens. I consider it perfectly fair to use multiple accounts, not because I've paid more than other people, but because it's quite difficult and requires player skill (as opposed to SP) to use to maximum effectiveness. So it's not a case of more RL money for more effect, it's a case of more in game effort and skill for more effect.
You're telling its more skillful to have 3 computers with wireless keyboards and mice set to use the same id, than to play 1 account vs fair odds? Seems more like an easy way to compensate for skill and further inflate one's epeen.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.05 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Danjira Ryuujin You're telling its more skillful to have 3 computers with wireless keyboards and mice set to use the same id, than to play 1 account vs fair odds? Seems more like an easy way to compensate for skill and further inflate one's epeen.
I suppose you NEVER actually tried that, did you ? I didn't either, but I can already tell you it wouldn't work like you think it would. _____ -sig-
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shirak nagara
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Posted - 2006.12.05 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: shirak nagara on 05/12/2006 02:32:04 I havnt tried it no. I know people that did that in other MMO games with as many as 8 accounts at once. This is the "crap" that I was hoping to leave behind. You have to admit that it fits with the OP asking for 3 ships with identical setups though.
Edit: Gah stupid alt. This is Danjira.
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CherniyVolk
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Posted - 2006.12.05 03:55:00 -
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3 Vexors
NOS, ECM thingies, tons of drones.
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Efour
Amarr Matari Shipworks
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: shirak nagara Edited by: shirak nagara on 05/12/2006 02:32:04 I havnt tried it no. I know people that did that in other MMO games with as many as 8 accounts at once. This is the "crap" that I was hoping to leave behind. You have to admit that it fits with the OP asking for 3 ships with identical setups though.
Edit: Gah stupid alt. This is Danjira.
Dont worry about it, you always get complete sad cases that would rather have XXX accounts andplay an MMO with themself rather than another human..
The type that MUST win in the game at all costs usually complete freaks- Yes and you know you are cos its seriously not natural to think they way you do.
Its hardly common in eve mostly for mining and industrial stuff.
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Jeanpierre Duvall
Caldari Spectral Armada Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:12:00 -
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3 Omens. 4 Focused Med Lazers / 1 Nos AB / TP / Disruptor SAR / EAN / 3 HS
Explosive light drones.
Maybe not the most damaging but realy the most fun. :)
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Jeiden Rougal
Amarr Katsu Corporation Pure.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:16:00 -
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3 Celestis, would simply *****everything under 3 opponents
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:26:00 -
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Dont worry about it, you always get complete sad cases that would rather have XXX accounts andplay an MMO with themself rather than another human..
The type that MUST win in the game at all costs usually complete freaks- Yes and you know you are cos its seriously not natural to think they way you do.
how true! a MULTIPLAYER GAME, 2 accounts at the same time is very sad, i feel for the OP.
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:35:00 -
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I think this is a bad idea. I think you have come from another game and this was viable there... in eve, people don't fight if they odds are against them. So you're not going to be able to use multiple accounts to level the playing field, instead you'll have to fight weaker opponents until you have the skill and SP to compete at a higher level. I've ran into some pathetics that use log on traps with their alts but I think CCP is working on a way to prevent this in the future.
-Bart
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The Laundress
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:53:00 -
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:57:00 -
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3x crows being flown by the same person = 3x dead crows unless you have insane reactions and six arms.
3x passive feroxes might work, at least you'll die slowly and don't have to worry about maintaining traversal in three directions at once.
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happymappy
Amarr Finis Lumen Asylum Eden's Fire
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Bart I think this is a bad idea. I think you have come from another game and this was viable there... in eve, people don't fight if they odds are against them. So you're not going to be able to use multiple accounts to level the playing field, instead you'll have to fight weaker opponents until you have the skill and SP to compete at a higher level. I've ran into some pathetics that use log on traps with their alts but I think CCP is working on a way to prevent this in the future.
-Bart
It does work, ive seen it done. Guy i know who uses 3 accounts uses either: 3 enyos raven,blasterthon and a ac tempy seems a bit unfair to me, but hes on my side so its ok
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.07 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: happymappy
It does work, ive seen it done. Guy i know who uses 3 accounts uses either: 3 enyos raven,blasterthon and a ac tempy seems a bit unfair to me, but hes on my side so its ok
Unless he's using a log on trap or something, he's not going to get me to fight him one on three... that's my point. Sure you can trick people into unfair fights legit ways too but I'm pretty careful. Now if I see your buddies three ships and I attack, I suspect it's beacuse those three ships are outmatched and going to die (even if they were piloted by separate people).
-Bart
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Sapphrine
Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.07 16:47:00 -
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To anyone who'd come out and fight 3 on one odds, then thats your own mistake. To anyone fighting 3 on 3 (ships) but 3 on 1 pilot, I think that you've probably got the upper hand if you've got your skills based right :)
3 accounts being managed simultaneously is an absolute sod to do and really takes a lot of coordination. The trade off is that you get complete coordination at the cost of reaction speed in most cases.
I agree with the 3x Drake fof option. Will be easy to manage and you can layout a lot of hurt with good shielding. Remember to field drones and you should be laughing against hostile frigs.
I will say one thing though... wouldn't it be better to get some friends and work together? maybe you could start by getting two friends to fly with your 3 drakes giving you tackle / EWAR support? This is an MMORPG not just a solo run around against all.... you're free to do whatever you wish in game but the principle of the game is in favour of ineraction i'd say.
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