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Catch22
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Posted - 2003.11.18 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Catch22 on 18/11/2003 10:30:27
People have been complaining for a while about how we're playing a beta of EVE. These comments have been magnified by the release of the recent interview.
Yes, the game we've been playing since release is sometimes buggy and imbalanced, and yes, we are, in some ways, play-testing for a wider release. With one big difference: No playerwipe.
So when CCP start pushing this game for real, who will be in a position to benefit from any new influx? We will. That to me is reward enough for any minor inconveniences suffered over last six months...
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'[He] would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.' |
Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.11.18 10:28:00 -
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my 6 million skillpoints agree with you wholeheartedly :)
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Psy Corp
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Posted - 2003.11.18 10:40:00 -
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yeah and my over 6.6 mill skillpoints agree to 
I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
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Darius Prime
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Posted - 2003.11.18 10:58:00 -
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All MMORPG's have bugs, content issues, problems with the servers, etc, etc
that is the nature of online games, after the first month you pretty well know the limitations of any of the games on the market so deal with it or dont play.
very simple
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2003.11.18 11:07:00 -
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I think we are still playing a beta not specially because of bugs, but mainly because of a lack of features requested while in beta, promised for release and still awaited.
Anyway, I play the game and wait for that features to be implemented. And I am not complaining.
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(O.o)
(> <)=Oveur (proof)
"Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period" |
Tra wo
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Posted - 2003.11.18 11:17:00 -
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I love eve lol
I only think that some bugs need fixing
im always insured 
you has to put up with me for quite some time 
and the futre for eve is bright
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.11.18 11:54:00 -
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Welcome to MMO's
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Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2003.11.18 11:59:00 -
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Although I've cancelled my account for a month or two, until I get paid so I can squeeze in two MMORPG subscriptions, I have to agee with you.
^^;;
I play SW:G a fair bit and, despite SOE's backing, there's still a fark load wrong with it. Unbalanced PVP, bugs, glitches, lag, coding problems....etc.
Big company and experience does not a good game make.
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Rizzy
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Posted - 2003.11.18 12:13:00 -
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I beta tested neocron, loved it, i played neocron retail, loved it. Bugs were always present, some bugs from beta never went away a year into retail, but at the end of the day so what, if you got a bug the other guys have a bug, its a level playing field, learn to enjoy what you got, stop crying like babies and get on with it, CCP do what they can, trust me they dont want you to have bugs.
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Catch22
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Posted - 2003.11.18 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Catch22 on 18/11/2003 12:18:18
Darius, Indigo, Rizzy
Please re-read the original post. You appear to have missed the point by an impressive margin.
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'[He] would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.' |
Cervictor
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Posted - 2003.11.18 12:50:00 -
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If more people join, isn't the roid problem going to get much much worse... ? 
Just a thought...
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Conrad
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Posted - 2003.11.18 13:18:00 -
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The summary edition, the roid problem is not a bug, it's an attempt by CCP to force teamwork and boost the market. Read the unabriged edition below if you like :)
roid problem?? There's no problem, switch to a lower security system. Plenty of roids in 0.4 or lower. I think the reason ccp moved roids to lower security systems was part of dealing with battleships mining up belts in 1.0 systems, leaving nothing for new people starting out. People in battleships should NOT be in npc corps, and should be in player corps working as a team to mine in low security systems. That's where all the roids are now, in fact they are so big they sometimes overlap one another. The purpose of eve is: "To control the universe". Albeit it is impoosible at this time to fuflill the goal in order to do so you will need a team. One person alone amounts to so much little when compared to a crop working towards goals.
And the bistot roid bug...not a bug...an attempt to force cruisers to be sold at higher prices, so they are somewhat harder to get. Arkanor and spoudumain were eliminated for that reason too. Actually it was an attempt to raise the price of everything on the market. Too bad no one sells there stuff at cost or above, so profits are close to none for many items, if there is even a profit. Except on battleships, good thing someone is making isk producing items (I'm not a producer, at least not anymore, just observing the foolishness of it).
And yes, I think EVE is an awesoem game with much potential. I look forward to the new improvements.
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Ville Karth
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Posted - 2003.11.18 13:27:00 -
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Out of curiosity, what percentage profit is not high enough. Right now, my corp averages above 40% when looked at over our entire prodcut line (ammo,weps, mods, ships). We'd like to have it higher, but i'm not going to complain.
I'm not looking for specific numbers, as i know no corp would like to divulge that information, just curious what others think is good/bad.
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Eurydike
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Posted - 2003.11.18 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Catch22 on 18/11/2003 10:30:27
People have been complaining for a while about how we're playing a beta of EVE. These comments have been magnified by the release of the recent interview.
Yes, the game we've been playing since release is sometimes buggy and imbalanced, and yes, we are, in some ways, play-testing for a wider release. With one big difference: No playerwipe.
So when CCP start pushing this game for real, who will be in a position to benefit from any new influx? We will. That to me is reward enough for any minor inconveniences suffered over last six months...
Imagine, we could be somethinglike the Freemasons of Eve, if we were organized - not that this will ever happen...
My first political intrigue would be aimed at removing my callsign's second half from this board's profanity filter. 
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Sarela "Eurydike" Taris
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Rickenbacker
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Posted - 2003.11.18 14:12:00 -
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All online games have their whiners. They also all have a lot more people who get on with playing the game and having fun :).
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.11.18 15:29:00 -
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Its probably difficult for you to imagine that for a new player starting today eve is a different universe than when we started.
The important question to ask is: for a new player is it a better more interesting universe or not? One thing should be clear is that it is a less friendly place and the opportunities that many of us enjoyed when we started are no longer availible.
If this was a large scale beta run before ccp goes fully into distribution then they owe the "beta players" something for being used without their consent.
If you can catch me you can have me. |
Catch22
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Posted - 2003.11.18 15:49:00 -
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But that's what I mean Sunscatcher.
Our reward for being 'beta players' is to start the fully distributed version with millions of skillpoints, blueprints and battleships. Your point about consent is well made, however.
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'[He] would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; if he didn't want to he was sane and had to.' |
SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.11.18 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: SUNscatcher on 18/11/2003 20:08:32
The interview sounded to me like this was a "live" six month beta run. Once again the peeps in iceland show no regard toward treating others with decency and respect by deceiving us all.
yes the skill points, ships, isk may be an acceptable form of compensation but when my kids intentionally treat others in a manner that I've made clear to them is unacceptable an apology is required also. Being lied to from the start is something I feel is unacceptable behavior.
If you can catch me you can have me. |
Van Cleef
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Posted - 2003.11.18 19:53:00 -
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would you be so happy that you had the opportunity to invest all the time you played for the last six months and the money (for me it is around 130 USD) and then have them open a second server with the new content completed down the road before their big proposed launch in new markets??
what would you think if that would happen?
You still be so grateful to play a game?
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Li Tai
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Posted - 2003.11.18 20:03:00 -
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This suckx hard!
now they Whinne about Whinners.....
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.11.18 20:08:00 -
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Hey van I just started a thread in the form of a poll asking that question exactly. yes I would take a fresh start but that may be because I have given away my accumulated weath twice now and thus have little to lose.
Like many others I have always found the hunt more enjoyable than the kill.
If you can catch me you can have me. |
Reiisha
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Posted - 2003.11.18 21:27:00 -
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Quote:
Arkanor and spoudumain were eliminated for that reason too.
Actually, they still exist... search for it :)
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2003.11.18 21:39:00 -
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A game developer that is looking 3-5 years down the line wants to get a good deal of the startup taken care of in the shadows of most of the video game community. We are not beta testers but we are testers in a certain sense.
We give them feedback during our retail experience all the way through. As we go along we continue to give them feedback but as things settle down and get fixed there are fewer and fewer things that need fixing. For CCP it makes a lot of sense to take some time before pushing big to make sure you get your foundation in place. It's very good business sense even though we may not see the benefits immediately.
This foundation not only affects the coding and design but also the player driven economy and community element. If they want to push for new players to be able to start with this game and keep them, they need to have a lot of the pieces in place. The manufacturing, mining and trading pieces all needed to be put in place, as well as bug fixes, for the storyline to really affect the game and make the universe what it is supposed to be.
The people that have played so far have been setting up the mechanics of a long-lasting world and not one that will be wiped to start over again like a beta would. We are miles ahead of what new players will be coming into but we also make it easier to have the new players come in and stay because we have put in the time to wait for the game to balance.
It's sort of like buying a new home. Most people would like to move somewhere that has the basic conviniences nearby, such as a grocery store, gas station, etc. Without these businesses in place and a community already there, it is more difficult to attract a large audience. Some people don't mind waiting for the businesses to come and give the businesses a reason to come. We are the pioneers and seeing many more people entering the game will definitely expand our gaming experience.
We aren't beta or betail, we are retail. We are the first users that have to deal with the realities that live subscriptions cause. People leaving beta doesn't really matter because they aren't paying. People leaving retail does. While there are plenty of bugs and balances that need to be made the advertising wont be as great as when they are confident in their setup.
I look forward to new people joining. And no, they will not make another server and wipe the boards. That wouldn't help them with what they are trying to accomplish.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.11.18 23:06:00 -
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I completely agree that they will not wipe and restart. If they are successful I think we will see a outsiders viewpoint made from another company and for those wishing for a new start will most likely find it there.
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