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Stu Pendisdick
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Posted - 2015.08.04 11:24:45 -
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It seems to me that, with the recent change in Jump Clone creation, the Rorqual has lost its last real reason to exist in Low Sec and a large chunk of Null.
Ores can be compressed in Towers, and now JCs can be created damn near anywhere without regards to standings.
The Orca, while providing slightly lower overall boosts, is considerably less expensive, so with both the Compression and Clone Vat abilities rendered mostly moot, what use is there for this once venerable Industrial behemoth?
Does CCP have any plans to allow new, useful augmentations to the ship that could return it to a prominent role in low/null industry, or is it destined for the bin?
Idle curiosity......
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
1030
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Posted - 2015.08.04 11:54:09 -
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Slightly lower boosts? You must have a different definition of slightly than I do. The only people in null who use and Orca are those who don't have a Rorqual capable pilot yet. |
Robert Warner
Back Door Burglars
The Otherworld
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Posted - 2015.08.04 12:27:41 -
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"Become useless"? I don't recall a time where it could actually be considered 'useful'!
The only purpose a Rorqual has ever had is providing superior mining boosts from a POS.
Compression was never a useful mechanic from Rorqual because at the time when you couldn't compress at a POS module, there were better alternatives to compression (eg. building 450mm rail guns).
Rorqual clone vats were used by exactly nobody, ever.
The Rorqual hasn't become useless, it is and always has been useless: nothing to this regard has changed.
As for it ever becoming useful - Soon(TM) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25482
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Posted - 2015.08.04 12:48:12 -
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The jump clone creation thing isn't really GÇ£a changeGÇ¥ GÇö it's a bug, and it may be fixed at any point.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Bia Bri
The Council
Evictus.
9
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Posted - 2015.08.04 12:52:07 -
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A Rorqual provides about a 17% advantage over using an Orca. That's a pretty substantial step up. It still boosts as well as it ever has.
Granted, that's basically all it can do now that something else can't do better/easier/cheaper/safer. But if you look back, Rorquals have never been prominently used as anything other than a shiny POS module.
Rorquals need an overhaul, desperately, but not because their role is gone. Rather, Rorqual pilots need something valuable to do beyond loading up heavy water every 3 hours or so then going afk. |
Stu Pendisdick
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Posted - 2015.08.04 12:54:28 -
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Tippia wrote:The jump clone creation thing isn't really GÇ£a changeGÇ¥ GÇö it's a bug, and it may be fixed at any point.
Ummmm, no, pretty certain the devs have said it will stay, due to popular feedback.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
14709
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Posted - 2015.08.04 12:56:07 -
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Let it in high-sec and see it turn the ore market around...
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Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'
Twitter @Chribba
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25482
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Posted - 2015.08.04 12:57:45 -
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Stu Pendisdick wrote:Ummmm, no, pretty certain the devs have said it will stay, due to popular feedback.
Link?
Chribba wrote:Let it in high-sec and see it turn the ore market around... GǪbut does anyone actually want ore to be that worthless? I mean, I'm sure you'll make a mint from all the crystals people will have to chew through to earn a buck, but stillGǪ 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
117
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Posted - 2015.08.04 13:03:30 -
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Tippia wrote:Stu Pendisdick wrote:Ummmm, no, pretty certain the devs have said it will stay, due to popular feedback. Link?
Link
Looks like I'm on of the few people who have managed to prove Tippia wrong *chuckles* |
Arbitos
GamCorp
Almost Broken
35
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Posted - 2015.08.04 13:07:55 -
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Quote:
While we are aware that there are a number of specialist corporations who provide jump clone creation services that may be affected by this change, and we give them our most sincere thanks for their years of tireless service, we feel that the removal of the restriction has wide reaching benefits for pilots across the cluster.
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Stu Pendisdick
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Posted - 2015.08.04 13:21:36 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Tippia wrote:Stu Pendisdick wrote:Ummmm, no, pretty certain the devs have said it will stay, due to popular feedback. Link? LinkLooks like I'm one of the few people who have managed to prove Tippia wrong *chuckles*
Thank you for tending to my business while I was away on more important matters, and grats on the achievement.
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Masaaq
PYRO MANIACS
A Band Apart.
22
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Posted - 2015.08.04 13:24:20 -
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Patience little one; capital changes are coming.
Also, Battle Rorq best Rorq. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25484
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Posted - 2015.08.04 13:35:00 -
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Moac Tor wrote:LinkLooks like I'm one of the few people who have managed to prove Tippia wrong *chuckles*
It's not actually very hard GÇö you just have to be willing to provide supporting information when asked for it. That's where most people instead opt to flip out, and go on irrational berserker rants instead, inevitably proving themselves wrong in the process. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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James Cranakor
AirHogs
Zulu People
10
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Posted - 2015.08.04 14:18:24 -
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the rorqual's purpose wasn't meant to be creating jump clones, that was just a handy thing it COULD do.
And it provides SIGNIFICANTLY more boosts than an orca. Sure its more expensive, but the higher the functionality of something the higher the price.
A Titan deals less DPS (overall) than a supercarrier, has about the same tank, but it can bridge and DD, yet its 4x the price. You don't see people complaining about that.
High end stuff is expensive, if you have to worry or complain about the price, you shouldn't be flying it.
Rorquals are pretty much just meant to sit in POSes anyway. If you lose one youre doing something wrong |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
515
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Posted - 2015.08.04 14:47:32 -
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They will staple a few turrets to it and make it a battle platform, so you could get inside one of those turrets and destroy pirates infinitely advancing towards your sorry ass. But it will be in completely other game called Gunjack. In EVE you will just click a turret and it will shoot, without breaking immersion of clicking stuff in space..
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2915
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Posted - 2015.08.04 15:15:49 -
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Tippia wrote:Chribba wrote:Let it in high-sec and see it turn the ore market around... GǪbut does anyone actually want ore to be that worthless? I mean, I'm sure you'll make a mint from all the crystals people will have to chew through to earn a buck, but stillGǪ
At the first serious hint of rorquals being allowed into highsec, the New Order will deem them all to be unlawful and they'll die in large numbers to stupid and / or lazy people. We may even use a fleet of mining barges or something equally hilarious to kill some of them. I say open the floodgates.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8892
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Posted - 2015.08.04 16:42:48 -
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Quote:Has the Rorqual become became mostly completely useless now? a long time ago.
Whew!
That title took some major surgery to reflect the reality of the situation.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2685
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Posted - 2015.08.04 20:15:33 -
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Next patch notes:
Due to the popularity of our accidental removal of the Rorqual from the database, we have decided to make this change permanent... |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22620
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Posted - 2015.08.04 20:24:31 -
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Anyone remember when the rabble believed that the Rorqual was too powerful and Battle Rorqual fleets would blot out the sun after the jump nerf?
I seem to remember that being a thing.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
5190
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Posted - 2015.08.04 20:43:07 -
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Orca: 69.97% effective ore yield bonus
Rorqual: 98.92% effective ore yield bonus .... or 41.37% more than an Orca
Max boost orca vs max boost rorqual (follow-up)
Last we've heard from CCP:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5737651#post5737651 |
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Bia Bri
The Council
Evictus.
10
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:30:03 -
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Just to be clear that's 41.37% more of what an unboosted miner would obtain. This is a very misleading comparison when weighing the effect of a Rorqual vs an Orca..
A much more useful comparison is (100% + 98.92%)/(100% + 69.97%) = 100% + 17.03%
You get about 17% advantage using Rorqual boosts instead of Orca boosts.
Which is still a hell of an upgrade, but is not 41%. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
337
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:45:49 -
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just going to call it like I see it,
greyscale and ccp dropped the ball about the rorqual
she's so broken right now and close to useless that it should be high priority to resolve her role
its like they forgot she even existed. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
530
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:54:42 -
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Spare a thought for those poor souls with Capital Industrial Ships V!!!
Oh, the humanity....
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2163
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:31:21 -
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*Drags out my usual musty idea and slams it down on the table.*
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer
Two Drink Minimum
368
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Posted - 2015.08.05 01:22:42 -
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Tippia wrote:Moac Tor wrote:LinkLooks like I'm one of the few people who have managed to prove Tippia wrong *chuckles* It's not actually very hard GÇö you just have to be willing to provide supporting information when asked for it. That's where most people instead opt to flip out, and go on irrational berserker rants instead, inevitably proving themselves wrong in the process.
I've met people in other forums just like you. There is a reason people go on those irrational berserker rants specifically aimed at you.
And no it's not because you are "right".
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Black Scorpions Inc
Fidelas Constans
67
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Posted - 2015.08.05 08:57:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Let it in high-sec and see it turn the ore market around...
kill veldspar, tell Chribba
RIP Iron Lady
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25506
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Posted - 2015.08.05 09:53:18 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:I've met people in other forums just like you. There is a reason people go on those irrational berserker rants specifically aimed at you.
And no it's not because you are "right".
Correct. It's because I'm right, and because they are utterly shocked that their usual attempts at spewing unfounded and incoherent nonsense didn't work this time.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6740
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Posted - 2015.08.05 11:26:42 -
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Berserker rants are an important type/means of content generation in a world full of bad suggestions.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer
Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:47:16 -
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Maybe you are just intentionally pissing them off.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
961
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Posted - 2015.08.07 02:06:49 -
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Honestly, the Rorqual always should have been the AFK miners dream barge. The decision to make it a booster only and mildly useful on field support ship are what is wrong with it. It needs a more direct use, even if it will never be the super miner that carebear trolls once wanted it to be.
Make it the mining equivalent of a Hulk, but with range bonuses and the biggest ore hold ever seen this side of Yulai. Make them useful enough to be on field.*
*So that my Bloppers can kill them.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
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