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Archaon Dechalus
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:56:00 -
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From what I've understood Ravens are THE mission ships. Better then any other BS (pls tell me if this is wrong)
All I want to know is why? Why are missiles and torps so good in missions, and why are they deadly in combination with the raven?
AD
PS: is it possible to do lvl 4 missions in a Phoon?
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Egil Kolsto
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:59:00 -
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Main advantage = shoot and forget.
With missiles versus NPC you pretty much just lock down 7 targets, then start the Cruise II or Torp II and start flying towards gate for next stage.
The Raven has missile speed bonus for cruise and torp :)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/12/2006 22:00:38
Ravens gets great bonuses to missiles, and missiles are good in missions because you dont have to move to get in range - you always hit for full damage at all ranges you can reach. Also you have a great tank on a Raven, so you can just sit there spamming missiles.
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Archaon Dechalus
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:02:00 -
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So if missiles are generally good in missions, does this also means a caracal as a cruiser, and a drake as a BC are good for missions?
AD
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Free Mason
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Archaon Dechalus
So if missiles are generally good in missions, does this also means a caracal as a cruiser, and a drake as a BC are good for missions?
AD
yep the best of the sub bs class. Drake is an easy Win at missions. The cara is good for lower lvl missions. Not the best tank on that one, but still not bad.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:13:00 -
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Missiles also mean that you are always able to choose the right damage type for the mission, which is not true of any of the other systems as they have at least two types of damage on all ammos, sometimes 3. And cannot always change their damage types to fit the rats they are shooting at [or simply cant change damage types at all]
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Archaon Dechalus
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:16:00 -
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to get back to my little 'of topic' question: Can a phoon do lvl 3 and/or lvl 4 missions?
AD.
And thanks all for the replies
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/12/2006 22:23:48
Yeah, Typhoon is great for missions too, but you will need much higher skills to use it. Drones, guns and missiles. Then you have higher dps than a Raven (thanks to the heavy drones) and a decent tank as well (not as good as Raven, but you kill things faster instead).
Raven is pretty much unchallenged as the best newbie mission runner though. You can basicly do missions with battleship level 3 and missiles at 3...the new Maelstrom is probably a decent alternative to the Raven though I think. There are many haters of that ship, but with 8 guns and 6 medium slots and a tanking bonus (and 100 m3 drones), im not giving up on it. :)
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Temriel Kushrenada
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/12/2006 22:23:48
Yeah, Typhoon is great for missions too, but you will need much higher skills to use it. Drones, guns and missiles. Then you have higher dps than a Raven (thanks to the heavy drones) and a decent tank as well (not as good as Raven, but you kill things faster instead).
Raven is pretty much unchallenged as the best newbie mission runner though. You can basicly do missions with battleship level 3 and missiles at 3...the new Maelstrom is probably a decent alternative to the Raven though I think. There are many haters of that ship, but with 8 guns and 6 medium slots and a tanking bonus (and 100 m3 drones), im not giving up on it. :)
then I'll be a little more patient and go for the phoon. I mean c'mon, as a proud Minmatar I have to fly Minmatar 
Thanks for the info Jim.
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Dreez
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dreez on 05/12/2006 22:35:25
Because after 3 years. CCP has still not figured out how to balance guns Vs Missiles.
Missiles = Fire & Forget, Always correct dmgtype.
Guns = Optimal Range, Transversal velocity, correct amo, Guns use Cap, Not always good dmgtypes.
Even the defenses against missiles suxx compared to guns.
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Lagar
Caldari
Core Domination
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:48:00 -
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there are better ships than raven (ofcorse i am meaning the variations of it.. one of them you can get from agent missions.. it's quite an improverment over the raven.. better tank 1 more launcher.. there is another one.. However it's only recived part to some event that CCP makes. it's extreamly good with 8 launcher hardpoints.. but like i said it's won by a an event.. atm it's for an aliance tournament ^^
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mallion
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:52:00 -
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mmmm 8 launchers..
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:35:00 -
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The ability to change damage types in a few seconds and the versatile fitting for tank / damage and the aforementioned damage at all ranges makes it the i-win ship for missions.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.06 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Archaon Dechalus
So if missiles are generally good in missions, does this also means a caracal as a cruiser, and a drake as a BC are good for missions?
AD
Yes, Caracal is able to churn level 2s, and do lvl 3s with good skills, Drake will likely butcher lvl 3s at absurd speed, and with good skills, can do a few level 4s.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Archaon Dechalus
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Posted - 2006.12.06 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 05/12/2006 22:23:48
the new Maelstrom is probably a decent alternative to the Raven though I think. There are many haters of that ship, but with 8 guns and 6 medium slots and a tanking bonus (and 100 m3 drones), im not giving up on it. :)
To bad it's an active tank bonus though, would have loved to see it get shield resis instead  .
AD
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.06 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/12/2006 13:05:30
Corvus is the best mission runner hands down. I mean, who would not like a raven with 8 launchers and godly Shield?
Corvus gets a bonus to all missile types, rather than just cruise and torpedo, should someone want to degrade themselves by doing lvl3's in em :)
In the realms of reality, the Navy Raven, Rattlesnake, Raven and Shield Tanked Launcher Curse are the best ships for doing missions, in that order.
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.12.06 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Wilfan Ret''nub on 06/12/2006 13:21:17
Typhoon > Maelstrom for missions. I'm testing a nanophoon  for lvl 4 on SiSi and it actually works. That's surprising, considering I have 800k in missiles and 1 mil in drones, no snakes, no faction stuff and no rigs.
I've tried Maelstrom before. Got tackled by elites too many times for my liking and even blew up once due the megaspawn and 4 elite tacklers. DPS was untankable in T2 gear, even when mids were fully dedicated to tanking.
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Dragon Lord
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Posted - 2006.12.06 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Lord on 06/12/2006 13:56:46
yeh the corvus is godly, enough drone bay space for 5 heavys, 8 launchers and 6 lows and massive shields that thing is godly http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0611/corvus_alliance_tourny_prize.jpg
wosh i could get my hands on one, second best is cnr without doubt
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Sevyc
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2006.12.06 14:05:00 -
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In my opinion, the main reason that the Raven is so good at missions is this: missiles don't use cap. The Raven pilot can devote 100% of his cap to his tank (and some lvl 4s throw an awful lot of DPS at you, over several minutes). This is also the reason Domi's are also pretty popular for missions; they use drones as a source of primary damage. Any ship that has to split its cap between tanking and doing damage is going to have a harder time.
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.06 14:16:00 -
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Never heard the name Corvus before, what is it?
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Slevin Kalebra
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Posted - 2006.12.06 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
Never heard the name Corvus before, what is it?
It was the prize for the fan-fest tourney. You'll probably never see one.
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DaRuLe
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.06 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
Never heard the name Corvus before, what is it?
The Corvus is the Raven of Doom
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.12.06 15:08:00 -
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And yet another nerf-missiles thread. Even if with a nice cover this time.
So, you got to keep in mind that missiles allways hit, but NOT at full damage. Damage is dependand on signature and speed. Wich means, that you will have a real hard time killing any AF or Interceptor if not on MWD aproach. A typical Sansha Berserker may need up to 300 Cruise Missles and even more Torps.
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DaRuLe
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.06 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: DaRuLe on 06/12/2006 15:17:39
Originally by: Mort Sinious
And yet another nerf-missiles thread. Even if with a nice cover this time.
So, you got to keep in mind that missiles allways hit, but NOT at full damage. Damage is dependand on signature and speed. Wich means, that you will have a real hard time killing any AF or Interceptor if not on MWD aproach. A typical Sansha Berserker may need up to 300 Cruise Missles and even more Torps.
I'd suggest fitting a webber for pesky frigates. :P
edit: and a Target Painter ofcourse :)
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente
The Underground
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Posted - 2006.12.06 15:27:00 -
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these ae facts not anti-missile for one, and for two their talking level four missions so yes basicly full damage each shot, but when at full damage it has lower dps then turrets but there is no true missile defence. Where is it flaming missiles when all the people post are facts?
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Bad Borris
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Posted - 2006.12.06 15:47:00 -
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there is no true missile defence.
You could use 1 defender missile slot instead of that nos..... Taking out 1 missile bar per round means you win (all things being equal)
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mort Sinious
And yet another nerf-missiles thread. Even if with a nice cover this time.
Missiles are good overall and perfect for PvE. They make even a crappy ship like Typhoon outshine (much more expensive) Maelstrom.
Originally by: Mort Sinious
So, you got to keep in mind that missiles allways hit, but NOT at full damage. Damage is dependand on signature and speed. Wich means, that you will have a real hard time killing any AF or Interceptor if not on MWD aproach. A typical Sansha Berserker may need up to 300 Cruise Missles and even more Torps.
Compared to guns which always hit, but often for 0 damage. That Berserker can't be killed at all with large long range guns when it starts orbiting you. You can at least help your drones with cruises or torps.
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.12.06 16:06:00 -
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Yes, I can do it with drones. And that's why I think Missiles vs Guns is perfectly balanced. Defenders could be improved but that's a minor issue. When you take ALL things into account, they are balanced. Sorry if I might have been to agressive in my former post, but all those recent nerf this nerf that and especialy nerf missiles/Caldari threads wich allways exclude some facts to get a subjective point across are making me mad.
But back to Topic: The Raven IS nice for level 4 missions. In my oppinion, mostly because of selectable damage types and because of it's range. DPS not ery high with a raven, but you have the time in most missions.
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Archaon Dechalus
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Posted - 2006.12.06 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mort Sinious
And yet another nerf-missiles thread. Even if with a nice cover this time.
So, you got to keep in mind that missiles allways hit, but NOT at full damage. Damage is dependand on signature and speed. Wich means, that you will have a real hard time killing any AF or Interceptor if not on MWD aproach. A typical Sansha Berserker may need up to 300 Cruise Missles and even more Torps.
You keep your acusations to yourself please.
I def not made this to whine about missiles, didn't know this discussion would follow. I was merely surprised by the huge amount of ravens in empire space, and read that they are uber for missions. I simply did not understand why. Although your argument maybe perfectly fine, please do not start accusing people of things simply because you came to a conclusion to quickly. Thank you very much
AD
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Archaon Dechalus
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Posted - 2006.12.06 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mort Sinious
Yes, I can do it with drones. And that's why I think Missiles vs Guns is perfectly balanced. Defenders could be improved but that's a minor issue. When you take ALL things into account, they are balanced. Sorry if I might have been to agressive in my former post, but all those recent nerf this nerf that and especialy nerf missiles/Caldari threads wich allways exclude some facts to get a subjective point across are making me mad.
But back to Topic: The Raven IS nice for level 4 missions. In my oppinion, mostly because of selectable damage types and because of it's range. DPS not ery high with a raven, but you have the time in most missions.
Ah, another good argument, but this time much nicer to read.
Hmm.. maybe I should have read down to the bottom first
Anyway, keep it comin'
AD
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