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spiderbaby Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.07 08:15:00 - [1] Just a frank question. If you are one of the many players who inhabits low-sec and makes a living from pirating mission runners, belt-ratters and miners (although the last two are rare breeds), are you happy with the results of the last patch? This isn't meant as a whine, an attack or a veiled complaint, I'm just interested. I fully respect the fact that EVE supports (or used to) multiple playstyles and I have always been happy that piracy was a big part of the game. What I'd like to know though is have the recent changes broadened the available range of gameplay or restricted it? Is low-sec more or less populated? Do you guys still have targets? Is your lifestyle still viable. Personally I left low-sec several weeks ago and moved back to high-sec, much to my disappointment, low-sec used to be an awesome place, so therefore I can't see for myself what the effects of Revelations have been. Thanks for any (vitriol-free) responses.
Ishana Minmatar The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.12.07 08:20:00 - [2] Am I happy with Revelations? meh... some good things lots of bad. all in all I'd say no. The patch did decrease the numbers of people in low-sec, but on the other hand it's 100x easier to find the people that are there, so there is no shortage of targets. TBH I'm earning more in terms of randsoms/loot then before, but it will probably not last long. _________________________________________________________
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.07 08:26:00 - [3] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/12/2006 08:26:20 Now with the ease of finding someone, pirates should RANSOM if you want people to keep coming back to low sec. Dont just kill everything, then people wont come back. But paying a little on the side to good pirates isnt something people will have problems with. Of course its fun to blow them up, but... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Ishana Minmatar The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.12.07 08:29:00 - [4] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/12/2006 08:26:20 Now with the ease of finding someone, pirates should RANSOM if you want people to keep coming back to low sec. Dont just kill everything, then people wont come back. But paying a little on the side to good pirates isnt something people will have problems with. Of course its fun to blow them up, but... We ussually randsom people. But sometimes they don't understand what's going on. (we roleplay the randsom demands) Or sometimes we just get a "omg you suxxor newb lemme go!" or people just block our conversations. So then we blow them up and send them a nice mail on how to handle us in the future. _________________________________________________________
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.12.07 08:31:00 - [5] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/12/2006 08:30:50 Originally by: Ishana We ussually randsom people. But sometimes they don't understand what's going on. (we roleplay the randsom demands) Or sometimes we just get a "omg you suxxor newb lemme go!" or people just block our conversations. So then we blow them up and send them a nice mail on how to handle us in the future. Of course. :) I mean, all you can do is try... if it doesnt work, then you have at least tried. Thats basically all you can do. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.12.07 08:33:00 - [6] I like alot of the stuff in Revelations, some of the gang tools and the new toys are great. That said I'll always see Revelations as the day Eve went into easy mode I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.07 08:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 07/12/2006 08:35:24 To answer your question: nope, not happy. Low sec where I am is dead. And when I say dead, I mean completely 100% absolutely dead. It's empty. The occasional hauler goes from the gate to the station to the gate. That's it. No more mission runners. They're all in high sec. No one ratting in belts. There never was. Once in a while a lone noob will wander in, but I can't even be bothered to undock for that, because as soon as I appear on scanner/warp in, they're already warping to the station/gate. I've decided to move this character down to 0.0 again and rat my security back up, so I can access all the targets in high sec. That's the only area any targets are available to me anymore. Do I like doing this? No. Would I prefer something else? Yes. Do I pirate in 0.0? Yes. Do I like it? No. Why? Bubbles. It's becoming harder and harder for me to solo pirate in Eve. I'd say at this point, nearly impossible. IMO all that is left of the playstyle is high sec ganking and attacking mission runners. Solo piracy in 0.0 just isn't really an option due to bubbles and gate camps. That's why I prefer low sec. P.S. I've made the effort to move around to some other low sec pockets/areas, with no success. It's all empty, whether in Caldari/Gallente/Amarr/Minmatar space. A few other pirates here and there, but other than that completely dead. If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer.
Arktaos Minmatar The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.12.07 08:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Arktaos on 07/12/2006 08:35:18 As i see it low-sec is a bit more active since kali, due to people not needing BM's to go everywhere. So i'm happy with kali. EDIT: about ransom: i blow people up, ransom their pods. If i'm in a good mood and i think it's worth it - i ransom their ship. ---------------------------------
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.07 08:45:00 - [9] So far I have meet 1 "pirate" asking for ransom. He wanted 40 millions for a 500K industrial and maybe 5 millions in minerals as chargo. If the demands are commensurate with the worth of the target or are for the cargo of the ship a ransom can be a viable solution, or even paying a protection racket. It the demands is 5x the worth of the target, it is a bit pointless. BTW, seeing the general beavior of the abowe mentioned "pirate" (some people in his corporation saying that he attack even member of friendly corporations) I dubt he would have honored the ransom.
Ishana Minmatar The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.12.07 09:03:00 - [10] You have to unerstand that choosing a randsom amount is tricky business. A hauler could very well be full of T2 stuff and BPOs, so 40mill is pretty cheap for that. We do however sometimes cary ship scanners, so we can see what the ship is worth and ask for a randsom accordingly. But offcourse this is not always the case, and then people just do a guess which is ussually based on the ship type and age of your character. _________________________________________________________
Aphotic Raven Gallente Spectral Armada Eternal Empire	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:37:00 - [11] Those saying you cant solo pvp in 0.0 are stooges... i do it... its fine... Is it true that time taken for a ship to warp has increased? i am finding it hard to catch anything... and even with a ceptor friend with sig analysis 5 we missed 2 t1 frigs and a recon carrying a BPO before we gave up... this and the targetting lag.. explain to me why i cant target anything before its gone... and not targetting time... i mean actually start targetting.. even undockers... Quote: Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be **ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ***** nerf. True story
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.12.07 11:51:00 - [12] the problem is the noob corps IMO, telling people never to step into low sec because of the evil griefers Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?
Lucas Goran ASATOR	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:12:00 - [13] In my experience, (which isnt much i know) when i have been ransomed and asked for ridiculous amounts, sometimes a more 'reasonable amount' can be negotiated. Or maybe the few pirates ive come acros are a rare breed
Vordalak Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.12.07 12:41:00 - [14] Quote: So far I have meet 1 "pirate" asking for ransom. He wanted 40 millions for a 500K industrial and maybe 5 millions in minerals as chargo. If the demands are commensurate with the worth of the target or are for the cargo of the ship a ransom can be a viable solution, or even paying a protection racket. It the demands is 5x the worth of the target, it is a bit pointless. They really don't have the math skills do they? I don't pay ransoms anyway so it's pointless for them to ask. One thing for sure, if it is now harder on them in lowsec that needs to change. I liked it the way it was. Maybe give them some new tools to make up the difference. Afeature that would allow you to change your mods in space so when you encounter one of these individuals while ratting you can change your outfit to PVP would be nice too. That's a lot to ask though. ---------------------------------------------- "Cry fowl and let slip the dogs of war" If you want trouble, you found the right spacer. Don't cry when it's over.
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.07 13:12:00 - [15] Happy with Revelations overall - Not happy with what it brought to low sec. Now everyone has instadocks and instawarps. No more shooting random people when I'm in a cruiser at a gate as they approached, who thought "haha you won't shoot me, because there's gateguns here", because it just doesn't happen. No more tracking someone down in a belt and catching them while they struggle to dock. Piracy has been "nerfed" to death... about all that's left for us now is noobs that don't watch local, or gatecamps, or griefing mission runners - who btw are all in high sec anyway, because why go to low sec if 1.0 has all the lvl4 agents you could wish for? Not amused. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Keta Min Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.07 13:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Samirol evil griefers we exist
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.07 13:23:00 - [17] Technically i dont think CCP have to be concerned at us small niche players/customers, there are plenty more non pirates/non pvpers that fuel the game with cash, if all us low sc pirates left, to be fair, who'd notice.... or care. I dont play for 0.0, been there done that, not interested, low sec is far more fun, or was at least. Old players would probably leave eventually, but still auction their characters off to new players who'd think it was great, ive already started playing less, just waiting for the next big fix, till then ill log in, sit waiting for a target, twiddling my thumbs talking stupid with the lads on ventrilo, then log out, another successful day wasted. But as someone else already mentioned, we did this to ourselves, our chosen career path, no-ones fault but ours, who new it would be the only career not to get any form of expansion with every release. /me grabs cup of tea, biscuits, sits back and watches the stars... . Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically stemming from a form of mental illness.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.07 13:24:00 - [18] Oh yer forgot, apart from the above, the extra content and new map etc are all nice/welcome. . Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically stemming from a form of mental illness.
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 13:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Samirol the problem is the noob corps IMO, telling people never to step into low sec because of the evil griefers You could put some nice signs with tinsel and stuff outside newbie stations asking them to come down and visit?? Its has to be said though, going 10 jumps through lowsec (any lowsec) during peak times will definitely have a pirate encounter ... or just 1 jump in some places ... what do you think a newly sticky pod pilot is going to say in corp chat? .... multiply that with however times it happens daily and guess what happens in peoples heads. So either a) stop podding newbs in their first kessie or b) get rid of corp chat in newbie corps (I'm going to guess what all pirates would opt for if they were the only choices) alas, poor risk and reward, I knew you well
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.07 14:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 07/12/2006 08:35:24 To answer your question: nope, not happy. Low sec where I am is dead. And when I say dead, I mean completely 100% absolutely dead. It's empty. The occasional hauler goes from the gate to the station to the gate. That's it. No more mission runners. They're all in high sec. No one ratting in belts. There never was. Once in a while a lone noob will wander in, but I can't even be bothered to undock for that, because as soon as I appear on scanner/warp in, they're already warping to the station/gate. I've decided to move this character down to 0.0 again and rat my security back up, so I can access all the targets in high sec. That's the only area any targets are available to me anymore. Do I like doing this? No. Would I prefer something else? Yes. Do I pirate in 0.0? Yes. Do I like it? No. Why? Bubbles. It's becoming harder and harder for me to solo pirate in Eve. I'd say at this point, nearly impossible. IMO all that is left of the playstyle is high sec ganking and attacking mission runners. Solo piracy in 0.0 just isn't really an option due to bubbles and gate camps. That's why I prefer low sec. P.S. I've made the effort to move around to some other low sec pockets/areas, with no success. It's all empty, whether in Caldari/Gallente/Amarr/Minmatar space. A few other pirates here and there, but other than that completely dead. I've noticed that the game mechanics are changing so that no matter what you want to do, you can't be a "solo" player. Can't be a "solo" pirate. Can't be a "solo" miner. Can't be a "solo" hauler. Sweet. The reason low sec is not populated is because no bright people are playing the game and running in groups and convoys into low sec.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.07 14:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Agent Li Sweet. The reason low sec is not populated is because no bright people are playing the game and running in groups and convoys into low sec. No. The reason low sec is not populated is that bright people have realized there is nothing there worth taking a group in to tackle. Crap rats, crap ore, now crap missions (if you split rewards with group the isk is laughable). No incentive = no people. Simple.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:00:00 - [22] Convoys are totally useless in a game where you can target the hauler and pop it from sniper ranges before the escorts can do anything about it. which imo is why we need a module that allows one ship to extend its shields around another ship. yes that means you could in theory bring a rokh with 4 large extender II and a shield bubble projector and give that badger II 20k+ shields but hey it would promote teamwork.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker Convoys are totally useless in a game where you can target the hauler and pop it from sniper ranges before the escorts can do anything about it. which imo is why we need a module that allows one ship to extend its shields around another ship. yes that means you could in theory bring a rokh with 4 large extender II and a shield bubble projector and give that badger II 20k+ shields but hey it would promote teamwork. Yeah. Convoys only really make sense if you're escorting a freighter or something else that isn't instakillable.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:38:00 - [24] I used to spend a lot of time in low sec. Hunting the bigger spawns in a T1 frig is actually fun after spending a week gate camping in 0.0. Can't do that anymore because as soon as you get into a belt three T2 fitted vagabonds land on your ass. The only reason to go there now is if you are looking for PVP. Even then the numbers and ships have to be close to even, and that is rare. Low sec is deserted because it has more risk then alliance 0.0 and drastically lower rewards. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Serapis Aote TBC	Posted - 2006.12.07 16:05:00 - [25] Originally by: spiderbaby Just a frank question. If you are one of the many players who inhabits low-sec and makes a living from pirating mission runners, belt-ratters and miners (although the last two are rare breeds), are you happy with the results of the last patch? This isn't meant as a whine, an attack or a veiled complaint, I'm just interested. I fully respect the fact that EVE supports (or used to) multiple playstyles and I have always been happy that piracy was a big part of the game. What I'd like to know though is have the recent changes broadened the available range of gameplay or restricted it? Is low-sec more or less populated? Do you guys still have targets? Is your lifestyle still viable. Personally I left low-sec several weeks ago and moved back to high-sec, much to my disappointment, low-sec used to be an awesome place, so therefore I can't see for myself what the effects of Revelations have been. Thanks for any (vitriol-free) responses. They dont need to make low sec easier, just more profitable. The rewards do not reflect the risk. The ore is crap, the rats are crap (mostly/there are faction spawns sometimes) and the missions are only marginally better. The problem isnt the pirates, they are doing there thing, the problem is CCP doesnt really give a player any reason to take those risks.
MirandasRight	Posted - 2006.12.07 17:55:00 - [26] Its true. CCP hasn't made low-sec space profitable, although it might not be apparent to the peeps that still have illusions of how "bad" it its in low-sec. I operate in low-sec quite well. Are there prats...yes. Do they cause mayhem...no. They are a presence that needs to be dealt with BY THE PLAYERS. Its amazing how un-associated players might band together to ward off prat blobs. Single prats are dogmeat and become very cautious in their actions. Asking for CCP to intervene like I have read in other threads is wrong and it brings a false sense of security. Players are just not thinking it through really. I can also see some of the concerns of some of the players. EVE is a vicious game. Losses for some are serious, especially for small corps or even solo players. Rebuilding is tough and it drives some people to quit..I know a few. Anyways, peeps should learn how to work together in ALL aspects of this game. Don't think you can solo it. You can't.
Troy Knight	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:21:00 - [27] Edited by: Troy Knight on 07/12/2006 18:23:14 IMO the ore isn't bad in low-sec--it can actually be quite pro*****ble to mine there then mining in high sec, the only problem is that, as already has been mentioned, the risk outweighs even that reward by tens. Low sec can be an exciting place, and ratting there is immensely more profitable then doing so in high-sec, but is incredibly hard to do sometimes because the real Pirates prey on those ratters (something that can make you very paranoid and continually keeping aware of whos coming at you or whos in the sector, which is not a bad thing at all). Not that they shouldn't, but this who thread is about the over-abundance of risk in the game compared to any profit you could make there. If people want low-sec to become something then more corps need to move out there, establish bases, produce goods and services and provide a margin of safety for those who are new to the game/don't often wander to low sec for mentioned reasons. Its definatley not CCPs job to fix the emptyness of low sec, its the players job to encourage movement and activity there; and if you think about it, it really woulnd't be that hard to do.
Cyrus Graham Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:29:00 - [28] I thought maybe you were just asking a general question. 'Hey pirates... are you happy? Do you feel that your lifestyle provides an inner sense of fulfillment?' Something along those lines. ___________________________________ Go play checkers if you want a game where everything's fair and equal.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:30:00 - [29] hahahha, nothing like that people, so you say, increase the rewards cause risk is not worth for the rewards... welll.. you were all showting in favor of better piracy, and welcome the scanning improvements. The rewards have ALWAYS been the same in low sec. Just the risk has jumped way up. No wonder that the rewards are no longer a match. so instead of whining to CCP to increase your low sec rewards... Reap what you sow like a guy above said, get some nice cookies and watch the stars..
Deitre Cibrus Chickens with an Attitude	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:37:00 - [30] Originally by: Ishana Am I happy with Revelations? meh... some good things lots of bad. all in all I'd say no. The patch did decrease the numbers of people in low-sec, but on the other hand it's 100x easier to find the people that are there, so there is no shortage of targets. TBH I'm earning more in terms of randsoms/loot then before, but it will probably not last long. Disagree entirely, i would say it's brought alot more people into low-sec because they feel safer... ----------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread. What is this sig missing?

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