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Ottom Ephesianos
Amarr
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ottom Ephesianos on 08/12/2006 17:11:49
I have been tracing the Amarr faiths of the current doctrines and have found that none of the so called ôscripturesö they refer to actually exist outside of political paperwork. The ôBook IIö doesnÆt actually exist.
I was raised in some of the most prominent houses of Amarr socialites and I do not remember sermons of any kind ever being read from anything but notes. In school no references as to the source of many POD pilots claims to the existence of the ôBook IIö were ever worked out. I remember a paper one student had done in graduate school on the matter and his final conclusion to the unofficial investigation was that the öBook IIö was a classified religious document.
Bulls I say. The truth is Amarr religion is just like Matari, passed down through generations by word of mouth by teachers, philosophers, major leaders: writing their own noted works to leave their own personalized mark. However such works normally stay within the family and while they are shared, they are never to be mistaken as the universal truths. Every teacher knows that the student must translate wise words into their own life for themselves. Something Amarr has forgotten.
Release the material of (The Scriptures Book II) and the proofs of itÆs authenticity to the public or stop quoting from it.
Thank you.
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"Trust me I've done this before."
Elite R. Ephesianos
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:17:00 -
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That the Amarr are cretinous hypocrites is hardly news. Neither is that their religion is a poorly conceived charade to scam the stupid out of their freedom.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:56:00 -
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((Some referrence material for you. I can't find an up-to-date posting of the scriptures mentioned, so it's more or less a "take Disco's word at face value" kind of thing. These scriptures are not made up by the players but were, in fact, PF. Basing an attack on poor support from CCP on the Amarr religion is a bit out of bounds for this forum I should think.))
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Aava Nefarr
Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.08 19:01:00 -
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I implore the religious authorities that be to denounce this man's accusational heresy.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.08 19:57:00 -
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The Scriptures consist of many books.
They are usually read in sequence.
Thus there is a second book.
QED.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Auele
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:00:00 -
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Amarrian decadence is amusing as ever.
"In the end, people think of the beginning."
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Luna Rossa Corporation
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 23:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Aava Nefarr
I implore the religious authorities that be to denounce this man's accusational heresy.
I find it remarkably odd that Amarrians will always clamour for investigations of accuastions questioning the validity of the beliefs or values of other races, yet, despite the fact that they claimed to be assured that their beliefs are correct and beyond question, they always call for any dissenting voices to be supressed.
If your beliefs are so self-evident, they should stand up to such accusations as this. Obviously, Amarrians aren't sure of their own beliefs - guess we'll have to shelve that religion, then, huh?
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.09 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Obviously, Amarrians aren't sure of their own beliefs - guess we'll have to shelve that religion, then, huh?
The only Amarrian unsure of his beliefs here is the Amarrian who called the existence of Book II of the Scriptures into question.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.09 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
If your beliefs are so self-evident, they should stand up to such accusations as this. Obviously, Amarrians aren't sure of their own beliefs - guess we'll have to shelve that religion, then, huh?
We are very sure of our beliefs. And because Amarr take their religious beliefs seriously, to the point that Amarr law is theological law, all attempts to corrupt or denounced that which has been deemed scripture must be thwarted.
After all, you don't allow people within the gallente federation to usurp the legeslative power of the Gallente Senate, do you?
Neither do the Amarr allow people to usurp the theological authority of the Emperor and the Theological council. We Amarr have great patience with heterodoxy, but once it ceases to be heterodoxy and becomes heresy it must be firmly stamped out.
If a belief differs from Amarr orthodoxy (Amarr orthodoxy being define as the Theological council and Emperor approved interpretation of scripture and which texts are scripture), it's allowed. If a belief is contradictory to key issues in Amarr orthodoxy, or if logical conclusions from this belief contradicts key Amarr teachings, then it is heresy and must be stamped out.
But judging from your previous anti-amarr hatemongering you, Andreus Ixiris, are of too limited intellect to actually understand these issues. Raving from your own very narrow view of how things are and should be with not even the slightest insight into other views and beliefs.
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Ottom Ephesianos
Amarr
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.09 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos
Release the material of (The Scriptures Book II) and the proofs of itÆs authenticity to the public or stop quoting from it.
I ask again, for evidence of authenticity. Anyone can make claims and within the corrupt empire; such heresy would be supported if in line with political movements of the ever changing ôoldö empire.
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"Trust me I've done this before."
Elite R. Ephesianos
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Luna Rossa Corporation
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.09 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
After all, you don't allow people within the gallente federation to usurp the legeslative power of the Gallente Senate, do you?
See, the difference here is that the legislative power of the Gallente Senate is based on a written constitution which has a verifiable history, designed so that no one individual can hold too much power or authority. While in practice, this may not always be the case (our dear friend Senator Blaque being an unfortunate example) we can verify everything that's written about in our political texts.
However, the Amarrian religion is based on scriptures which are rewritten more often than Aura's one-liners (and, ironically, with just about as much proficiency). This whole thing with the Tetrimon cult showed how wobbly the scriptures are, and since their history is unverifiable and they've been translated so many times it's impossible to even conjecture what archaic language they were originally written in (although I remember there's some sort of mythical language from the mists of time called "Ernglosh" or something that has a lot of unneccesary grammar and ridiculous linguistic flourishes that quite a lot of the ancient scriptures were written in). But, judging from your previous anti-logic arguments, you are obviously of too limited an intellect to actually understand these issues.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.09 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
But, judging from your previous anti-logic arguments, you are obviously of too limited an intellect to actually understand these issues.
Faith cannot be reduced to analytical statements alone, thus logic is inadequate. But I fail to see how my argument have in any way violated logics.
Even the scriptures themselves have an advanced innate logic that extends through all of the core scriptures, though it is sometimes difficult to understand even for a long term student, and impossible to understand for an outsider that does not even try to understand.
Especially since they can, on the surface, be contradictory yet the intent and principle to which they should be applied remains pure and uncontradictory.
As for being translated. The scriptures are still available in archaic Amarran, so in terms of how long they have remained untranslated they make your vaunted constitution seem like a mere blink of an eye. Some documents have been lost through the ages, though scholars and archeologists are constantly attempting to locate more material. Not just scripture material itself, but other archeological material that can make us understand the intent of the scriptures.
And if anything the Tetrimon texts are a shining example of the firm foundation that our scriptures rests upon. As the language analysis of the tetrimon scriptures came out inconclusive they are not awarded the status of Scripture.
Again your hatred and ignorance blinds you to the glory of god and makes you see things where there are none, and see nothing where there is truth.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Luna Rossa Corporation
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.09 01:05:00 -
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Your rhetoric is almost as tiresome as your outdated interpretation of religion.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.09 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos
Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos
Release the material of (The Scriptures Book II) and the proofs of itÆs authenticity to the public or stop quoting from it.
I ask again, for evidence of authenticity. Anyone can make claims and within the corrupt empire; such heresy would be supported if in line with political movements of the ever changing ôoldö empire.
Ask once more, and say please.
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Funmaster Bob
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.11 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Your rhetoric is almost as tiresome as your outdated interpretation of religion.
How can a religion be outdated? It is a current thing in the Amarr people's minds every day. What you say is a kneejerk reaction against the Amarr way of life, nearly every Amarr feels this way. Please recognise that our faith is very important to us, as your misguided ideals appear to be important to you.
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Cold is Gods way of telling us to burn more sinners.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:28:00 -
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That the Scriptures might be "Authentic" is proven. That they are not insane rabble designed to control the mind and will of the Amarr is not.
I pity the Amarrians, no-one, maybe short of Sanshas true slaves will ever be as enslaved and controlled as these poor souls.
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:59:00 -
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Someone fell onto his head as a child once too often. Questioning the authenticity of the scriptures following your logic is like questioning the existance of Midular just because noone saw her in space so far.
Try again, bongo boy.
Now recruiting!
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Kel'xun Shi
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.12 20:52:00 -
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Does it matter, brother? So long as we follow God and do as he commanded us, then all else is of little consequence. As an Amarr, you should know that God is first. The scriptures are guidelines.
Remember, brother, God is who we must be following, not the scriptures.
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U Fester
Amarr
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.14 19:24:00 -
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Gods Will Be Done
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