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Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play Black Legion. 807	Posted - 2015.08.12 21:30:40 - [1] - Quote Remove Sov. Seriously. Why not? Stations can be conquered by bashing them as usual. Supers can be built anywhere in null. Why do we need to form 100 man snore fleets to maintain sov? "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Ima GoodGirl Black Ballers 28	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:02:13 - [2] - Quote "You can have sov or you can have fun" - CCP Fozzie 2015 It's impossible for everyone in the game to be having fun and that's by design. That's why sov must stay. No fun for you.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 16871	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:05:18 - [3] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Remove Sov. Seriously. Why not? Stations can be conquered by bashing them as usual. Supers can be built anywhere in null. Why do we need to form 100 man snore fleets to maintain sov? Agreed. Hi-sec empires must go. Just space and some ships. Clean, simple, pure. Oh wait. You meant other people's sov. Sorry. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 22701	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:08:38 - [4] - Quote This has probably nothing to do with all those active timers in fountain that are on BL sov structures.... *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play Black Legion. 807	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:08:55 - [5] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Agreed. Hi-sec empires must go. Just space and some ships. Clean, simple, pure. Oh wait. You meant other people's sov. Sorry. Why do you want sov? so you can have a system show up on a map with your name on it? Thousands of nullsec players spend thousands of hours to maintain your name on a jpeg? Something should certainly be done about highsec as well, but thats got nothing to do with the 00 sov issues. Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: This has probably nothing to do with all those active timers in fountain that are on BL sov structures.... No, it doesnt, actually. The sov snore fleets have been an issue since as long as i can remember. They changed ammo grind to entosis grind but its still just as snoozy. From what i understand, nobody in alliance gives a ** about most of the sov we have. in fact, we're looking forward to having someone come and take it so we have something to shoot. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature.**" - CCP
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 9047	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:15:37 - [6] - Quote I want to say something here, but where do I even start? I think I'll just sit this one out and enjoy the show. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play Black Legion. 808	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:17:51 - [7] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: I want to say something here, but where do I even start? I think I'll just sit this one out and enjoy the show. Mr Epeen you dont have a monocle so whatever you wanted to say is invalid. Come back when you have appropriate eyewear. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Memphis Baas 500	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:22:19 - [8] - Quote Make sov holders pay hosting, internet access, maintenance, and tech support fees for the nodes they're holding sov over. Seriously. Why not? Stupid ideas are stupid. Seriously. Why not?
Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play Black Legion. 809	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:27:59 - [9] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Make sov holders pay hosting, internet access, maintenance, and tech support fees for the nodes they're holding sov over. Seriously. Why not? Stupid ideas are stupid. Seriously. Why not? If you had a monocle maybe you'd have been able read the thread topic. I said remove sov. Not modify it. Remove. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 22701	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:30:13 - [10] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: This has probably nothing to do with all those active timers in fountain that are on BL sov structures.... No, it doesnt, actually. The sov snore fleets have been an issue since as long as i can remember. They changed ammo grind to entosis grind but its still just as snoozy. From what i understand, nobody in alliance gives a ** about most of the sov we have. in fact, we're looking forward to having someone come and take it so we have something to shoot. The forums heard it here first folks, straight from the BL mouthpiece. "BL didn't want that sov anyways." Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?**
Memphis Baas 500	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:30:45 - [11] - Quote Yeah you said "remove" and you want us to explain the many reasons why your idea is stupid. Right? You promise not to tldr?
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 444	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:32:44 - [12] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Remove Sov. Seriously. Don't need any changes to Supers build mechanics if they do this... CCP would effectively "FIX THE GLITCH" Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6963	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:40:16 - [13] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: I want to say something here, but where do I even start? I think I'll just sit this one out and enjoy the show. Mr Epeen I'm with the internet penis on this one. I mean, literally. I don't play on that team. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play Black Legion. 810	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:40:56 - [14] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: Remove Sov. Seriously. Don't need any changes to Supers build mechanics if they do this... CCP would effectively "FIX THE GLITCH" lol. yea, other mechanics based around sov would obviously need to change, but i dont see the problem with that. Just allow supers to be built anywhere, without sov. I dont see the problem with that. If you want to build a titan in space you dont effectively control, more killmails for everyone else. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Tiberius Heth Say No to Features 69	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:41:41 - [15] - Quote But but I thought sov null was end game, where the real players go?
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 444	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:42:27 - [16] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Market McSelling Alt wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: Remove Sov. Seriously. Don't need any changes to Supers build mechanics if they do this... CCP would effectively "FIX THE GLITCH" lol. yea, other mechanics based around sov would obviously need to change, but i dont see the problem with that. Just allow supers to be built anywhere, without sov. I dont see the problem with that. If you want to build a titan in space you dont effectively control, more killmails for everyone else. No no, I think your idea was crap. But I think Supers are crap too. So I guess I am going to be on TEAM EPEEN and sit back and watch your inevitably locked thread. Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Chesty Leroux The BatCave 1	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:50:43 - [17] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: you dont have a monocle so whatever you wanted to say is invalid. Come back when you have appropriate eyewear. Monocles are the preferred eyewear for taking over sovereignty. For removing sovereignty altogether, I think you want an eyepatch.
Marsha Mallow 2432	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:52:46 - [18] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: I said remove sov. Not modify it. Remove. If you lose it, it will have been removed. For you. No need to REMOVE SOV ALTOGETHER just so no-one will notice you can't hang onto it. Repeat after me: ~Didn't want that sov anyway~ Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE! Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 22705	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:57:55 - [19] - Quote Almost forgot, here is a small blurb about the majestic Narwhal. You can go ahead and read that while your space, that you didn't want anyways..remember, is slowly taken from you. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play Black Legion. 810	Posted - 2015.08.12 23:00:32 - [20] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: sit back and watch your inevitably locked thread. i just dont see anyone putting forward any real solutions to sov. i cant think of any real solutions to it ether. I think the issue is sov itself, and i dont see any vital need for it. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 444	Posted - 2015.08.12 23:23:39 - [21] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Market McSelling Alt wrote: sit back and watch your inevitably locked thread. i just dont see anyone putting forward any real solutions to sov. i cant think of any real solutions to it ether. I think the issue is sov itself, and i dont see any vital need for it. Sov itself is not the problem. The problem is HOW to get, take and keep sov, and the benefits and drawbacks of Sov. Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Carmen Electra Shiptoasters 61038	Posted - 2015.08.12 23:27:58 - [22] - Quote I just log on to play with the character creator. Is this sov thing part of that or is it part of the undocky side of EVE? Bacon makes us stronger
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 444	Posted - 2015.08.12 23:28:45 - [23] - Quote Carmen Electra wrote: I just log on to play with the character creator. Is this sov thing part of that or is it part of the undocky side of EVE? No, plenty of these Sov holders sit in stations and spin their ships like the rest of us! Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play Black Legion. 810	Posted - 2015.08.12 23:36:47 - [24] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: Market McSelling Alt wrote: sit back and watch your inevitably locked thread. i just dont see anyone putting forward any real solutions to sov. i cant think of any real solutions to it ether. I think the issue is sov itself, and i dont see any vital need for it. Sov itself is not the problem. The problem is HOW to get, take and keep sov, and the benefits and drawbacks of Sov. Then instead of us thousands of players crying about how broken it is, maybe we should present CCP with viable alternatives that dont include all the boring ** we hate about sov & fozziesov? If the players cant think of a better solution, then how can we expect the developers to? Has there been a single realistic solution presented by the community? "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature.**" - CCP
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 449	Posted - 2015.08.13 00:02:43 - [25] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Market McSelling Alt wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: Market McSelling Alt wrote: sit back and watch your inevitably locked thread. i just dont see anyone putting forward any real solutions to sov. i cant think of any real solutions to it ether. I think the issue is sov itself, and i dont see any vital need for it. Sov itself is not the problem. The problem is HOW to get, take and keep sov, and the benefits and drawbacks of Sov. Then instead of us thousands of players crying about how broken it is, maybe we should present CCP with viable alternatives that dont include all the boring **** we hate about sov & fozziesov? If the players cant think of a better solution, then how can we expect the developers to? Has there been a single realistic solution presented by the community? There have literally been a thousand threads, posts and suggestions about how to fix sov, change sov or upgrade the sov system. I am not 100% sure but I don't think any of them was Orbit-the-Foz Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6777	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:02:41 - [26] - Quote Ima GoodGirl wrote: "You can have sov or you can have fun" - CCP Fozzie 2015 It's impossible for everyone in the game to be having fun and that's by design. That's why sov must stay. No fun for you. Op success, sovholders are not having fun,statement is true ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3594	Posted - 2015.08.13 03:49:44 - [27] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Remove Sov. Seriously. Why not? Stations can be conquered by bashing them as usual. Supers can be built anywhere in null. Why do we need to form 100 man snore fleets to maintain sov? That would make null essentially the same as NPC null, or low sec. The game already has those areas. If that's the play type you prefer, go there. There is no reason to remove null where you can claim sov to get what you want. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
DaReaper Net 7 2473	Posted - 2015.08.13 05:21:33 - [28] - Quote Sigh.... pulls up a chair I think i really need to start copying and pasting this... it seems that i am one of the few 'old timers' around. Here is why this idea is stupid... kinda I started the game in April of 2004. I came here as a refuge from Earth and Beyond. When i started in eve, there was already sov. Some of you might now be looking up the date of exodus and going 'wait what?' I will repeat... There was already sov. The south, the area around Fey and Omist was controlled by the Xetec Federation. The Qurious and Delve area was controlled by the Stain Empire. Catch and insmother Area was controlled by Cursed Alliance Fountain was in the hands of.. **** i forget who.. oh! Fountain Alliance (i knew id remember) Delken was controlled by The Imperial Republic of the North (I.R.O.N) Geminite and up was controlled by Razor (yes they are that damn old [iirc i'm old sue me]) Above them in current Razor space was Phoenix Alliance territory. These alliances, and a few others, controlled there areas with an iron first. There was no alliances, shared blue list were done out of game, much like CVA does now. there was no sov, but you can DAMN be sure if you entered any claimed space you got killed. We, the players, created alliances and Sov. it was us. We made the original claim for space and area. We planted our flags with cans and bodies. No pos' no outpost, barely any stations, yet they thrived and ruled all. Removing sov, fixes nothing. People will again start asking to have there names on the stars. so seriously... this is a stupid idea because nothing will change. there is no reason to fight over sov, none. Removing sov won;t change human nature, it will change a few things... but if you think fozziesov and jump fatigue give tears... Learn your eve history, and be careful what you ask for. *Note for the hell of it, i was there on the day ASCN formed. That was fun, though i was just a line member at the time. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Carmen Electra Shiptoasters 61041	Posted - 2015.08.13 05:26:08 - [29] - Quote DaReaper wrote: story time Is that all the story time there is? That was fun, may we please have more "when I was a kid" stories please? GÖÑ Bacon makes us stronger
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