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Puca
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.09 02:27:00 -
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CCP, You can data mine and settle this BS between PVErs and PVPers any time you want. What percentage of players have never killed another player and what percentage of players have?? Simple. I would bet that there are more "carebear" solo players then PVPers. What percentage of players are in major corps and how many are in solo 2-5 memmber corps? What perceantage of corps are PVPers??
Or what are the latest stats you have from your monthly data mining?? Haven't seen any data mining information in a long time.
I am an Alt looking for my own way.
The true is within me. Trust no one. Believe.
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.12.09 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 09/12/2006 03:56:25
Originally by: Puca CCP, You can data mine and settle this BS between PVErs and PVPers any time you want. What percentage of players have never killed another player and what percentage of players have?? Simple. I would bet that there are more "carebear" solo players then PVPers. What percentage of players are in major corps and how many are in solo 2-5 memmber corps? What perceantage of corps are PVPers??
Or what are the latest stats you have from your monthly data mining?? Haven't seen any data mining information in a long time.
Honestly, does it matter if theres more PvP then PvE, or oposite? We all play really the way we find it most interesting and generates most fun for the buck, so to speak. At least I do.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.09 03:58:00 -
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I'm certain that most of the players in eve, would be considered PVE'rs by most standerds.
However, the ones who are considered PVP'rs are the ones who make up at least 90% of the player driven content that makes this game so interesting for many, including my self.
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Merchantigus
Minmatar Riot Zone
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Posted - 2006.12.09 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Merchantigus on 09/12/2006 03:59:37
Originally by: Puca CCP, You can data mine and settle this BS between PVErs and PVPers any time you want. What percentage of players have never killed another player and what percentage of players have?? Simple. I would bet that there are more "carebear" solo players then PVPers. What percentage of players are in major corps and how many are in solo 2-5 memmber corps? What perceantage of corps are PVPers??
Or what are the latest stats you have from your monthly data mining?? Haven't seen any data mining information in a long time.
woot your about to get flamed like i usually do XD i suggest aloe cream and ice it works best.
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Buell Fan
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.09 04:02:00 -
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Also...don't both parties rely on each other...one for supply...the other for demand...not sure what the point is.
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Shinshitar
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Posted - 2006.12.09 04:03:00 -
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You cant forget taht anyoen who participates in the marekt is allso engaged in PVP... In my opnion PVP in EVE is not just shooting at eachother... Its allso about killig eachother off on the market...
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.09 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Buell Fan Also...don't both parties rely on each other...one for supply...the other for demand...not sure what the point is.
Nah not really. Most people in eve, not in the 'know' would be simply asonsished at the weath, and industrial power of the most well known PVP groups.
As a matter of fact, if one could make a list of the 10 most powerfull industrial corps, I would say that more then half of them would also be on the 10 most powerfull PVP corps (or alt corps in some cases)
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.09 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shin****ar You cant forget taht anyoen who participates in the marekt is allso engaged in PVP... In my opnion PVP in EVE is not just shooting at eachother... Its allso about killig eachother off on the market...
Fair enough. Though we should limit that definition to 'playing' the market, as apposed to simply buying and selling the odd thing, which some people like to include.
I'd say in some cases someone who knows the markets, is in a situation to do more financhial damage to certain players then any PVP'r could do.
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.09 04:17:00 -
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For somebody who IS an alt, you certainly have no idea the concept of a hauler/indy/scout/jita alt. -----
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Zelea Zinc
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Posted - 2006.12.10 18:45:00 -
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I got shot at by a miner for stealing his ore yesterday. What group does he belong in?
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Saint Lazarus
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Posted - 2006.12.10 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zelea Zinc I got shot at by a miner for stealing his ore yesterday. What group does he belong in?
Seeing as I know the guy, he's a PvP'er and he was protecting miners
So the miners dont have to PvP...
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.10 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Puca I would bet that there are more "carebear" solo players then PVPers.
thats where your whole argument falls out of the discussion. eve is a MMORPG game. look up the term, heres a clue "not a solo game".
Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Powdder
CL0CKW0RK 0RANGE
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Posted - 2006.12.10 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth I'm certain that most of the players in eve, would be considered PVE'rs by most standerds.
However, the ones who are considered PVP'rs are the ones who make up at least 90% of the player driven content that makes this game so interesting for many, including my self.
agree
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.12.10 18:56:00 -
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You are right that a lot of characters are "carebears". Thats because eve is a wealth-grind game. And empire is (semi)afk-safe (for those who know what they are doing). So many people earn afk-ISK in empire to fund their "danger-zone" pvp activities.
And then there are those people who do not (yet) seek out combat, while enjoying or even actively supporting the cutthroat atmosphere.
For example, i organise the transport (translation: i haul with alts) of billions of ISK in officer mods per week, and i have lost exactly one shipment (someone suicided a shuttle with a Vexor, lost about 40m) in almost a year. Without suicide gankers, that would be unbearably boring, not just very very boring.
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Valgore Xizor
Minmatar The Xizor Cartel
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Posted - 2006.12.10 19:03:00 -
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I would love every 'carebare' miner to stop mining for a few months just to see how quickly those calling them carebares start crying about having no ships, no ammo, no.. um well just about everything.
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Capt Harlock
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.10 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Capt Harlock on 10/12/2006 20:15:56
Quote: I would love every 'carebare' miner to stop mining for a few months just to see how quickly those calling them carebares start crying about having no ships, no ammo, no.. um well just about everything.
You think that people that fight other players don't mine, build, mission run, manufacture or a host of other activities. Seriously your point is so totally flawed its amazing. Also there are a great majority of people in eve who have second characters who make the isk for their fighter chars. So that plan will never work. However we all need eachother in eve so i kind of get your point. I cannot say there is one proffession better than the other and its kinda pathetic listening to PVP'rs slating so called carebears. Its just childish. The industial minded characters do have a big place in eve.
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Sonos SAGD
Minmatar Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.10 20:16:00 -
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there is a very bid difference between an industrial charater and a care bear
even in my "carebear" days i was involved in wars and got a kill or two which i was proud of.
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.10 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Puca CCP, You can data mine and settle this BS between PVErs and PVPers any time you want. What percentage of players have never killed another player and what percentage of players have?? Simple. I would bet that there are more "carebear" solo players then PVPers. What percentage of players are in major corps and how many are in solo 2-5 memmber corps? What perceantage of corps are PVPers??
Or what are the latest stats you have from your monthly data mining?? Haven't seen any data mining information in a long time.
Why does it matter?
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000Hunter000
Gallente The Lookers
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:13:00 -
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I don't care how people play what i do find anoying however is people thinking their way is the only right way to play and feeling the need to 'share' their insights with the rest of us (which is totall BS offcourse)
So once more, if u wanna pvp all the time, goto low sec or 0.0 and pvp all the time, if u wanna mine, go mine, if u wanna mission go mission, if u feel the need to snipe innocent noobs, go get a social life 
The only thing i do hope is that ccp doesn't give in to the whiners on both ends and keeps a nice balance between pve and pvp stuff. Resized tag... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp :p
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:43:00 -
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Does it matter?
Originally by: Diana Marc Notice that BoB is agreeing with RA's concern. That's like Elrond and Sauron agreeing to reduce carbon emissions.
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Pham Sirge
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:49:00 -
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Hi all,
Every pvp'er at some point has to make cash, personally I do it thru an industrial alt, that alt doesnt kill anyone (has given a warp in point but that will change when it finishes carrier), BUT that alt also supplies all the money I need to play eve.
My main pew pew's all the time mainly because if you didnt start eve 4 years ago you need to focus. You can do 1 thing well or 27 things poorly.
On another note I dont really think of my alt as a carebear, hes been living in 0.0 for ... 7 months now, He has died, He has also indirectly participated in pvp.
Carebears under my definition would be players who refuse to leave empire because they steadfastly refuse to participate in pvp.
, <VTIL> Pham Sirge
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 10/12/2006 21:58:27 Then there are those players who dont leave empire because its the most lucrative thing to do...
My definition of carebear: refusing combat and confrontational player interaction out of semi-religious believes.
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