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KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.09 16:42:00 - [1] All this nossing, why not using a ship that does the job properly? Surprised tbh. KIA EVE Home
Crusari Gallente Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.09 16:57:00 - [2] Cause the Abbadon does the same job and better cause you can fit extra nos with all that pg. Also you have a resistance bonus so youd have better tanking
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Crusari Cause the Abbadon does the same job and better cause you can fit extra nos with all that pg. Also you have a resistance bonus so youd have better tanking Better in what way? KIA EVE Home
mallina Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:30:00 - [4] im more hurt that nobody has fielded a Harbinger yet ----------- Turbulance
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:35:00 - [5] Originally by: Crusari Cause the Abbadon does the same job and better cause you can fit extra nos with all that pg. Also you have a resistance bonus so youd have better tanking You do get better resistance and more PG .... but the Bhaalgorn gets an extra slot and WAY better bonuses. Further, the Bhaalgorn has alot more armor. You could use it like a combo Nos ship/web ship (the way some people are using huggins). I am very surprised people haven't used them. I think it would be alot more effective. The Enemy's Gate is Down
ookke	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:51:00 - [6] bhaalgorn has quite horrible CPU, it's hard(=impossible) to fit with proper tank, mwd/ab, cap injector and 7 nos + large remote rep.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:56:00 - [7] Originally by: ookke bhaalgorn has quite horrible CPU, it's hard(=impossible) to fit with proper tank, mwd/ab, cap injector and 7 nos + large remote rep. CPU is an issue ya. I don't see that Nos issue though. You only NEED half as many Nos with the same effect. I guess you can't quite spread them as well though. The Enemy's Gate is Down
jamesw Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Baun Originally by: ookke bhaalgorn has quite horrible CPU, it's hard(=impossible) to fit with proper tank, mwd/ab, cap injector and 7 nos + large remote rep. CPU is an issue ya. I don't see that Nos issue though. You only NEED half as many Nos with the same effect. I guess you can't quite spread them as well though. I think you need 2/3 the nos for the same effect (50% bonus at max skill iirc). f.ex an Abbadon wiht 6 heavy dims + talismans = Bhall with 4 heavy dims + talismans. Even with 4 heavy nos, it doesnt tank as well as the abbadon (lower resists). IMO Abbadon is a better nos boat. -- Latest Vid: Domination!
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:05:00 - [9] Originally by: jamesw Originally by: Baun Originally by: ookke bhaalgorn has quite horrible CPU, it's hard(=impossible) to fit with proper tank, mwd/ab, cap injector and 7 nos + large remote rep. CPU is an issue ya. I don't see that Nos issue though. You only NEED half as many Nos with the same effect. I guess you can't quite spread them as well though. I think you need 2/3 the nos for the same effect (50% bonus at max skill iirc). f.ex an Abbadon wiht 6 heavy dims + talismans = Bhall with 4 heavy dims + talismans. Even with 4 heavy nos, it doesnt tank as well as the abbadon (lower resists). IMO Abbadon is a better nos boat. If you can fit the same tank, you have an extra slot for cap recharge without much CPU use. I guess I would like to see more stats before I buy this argument The Enemy's Gate is Down
Woopie	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Baun Originally by: ookke bhaalgorn has quite horrible CPU, it's hard(=impossible) to fit with proper tank, mwd/ab, cap injector and 7 nos + large remote rep. CPU is an issue ya. I don't see that Nos issue though. You only NEED half as many Nos with the same effect. I guess you can't quite spread them as well though. You need 2/3 as many, not half as many. Factoring the damage bonus and resist bonus, you could also argue that abaddon tanks every 4th ship for "free" (assuming equal dps) and needs 4/5 of the guns to deliver same damage (not that anyone would fit any).
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:09:00 - [11] Edited by: Baun on 09/12/2006 18:10:14 Originally by: Woopie Originally by: Baun Originally by: ookke bhaalgorn has quite horrible CPU, it's hard(=impossible) to fit with proper tank, mwd/ab, cap injector and 7 nos + large remote rep. CPU is an issue ya. I don't see that Nos issue though. You only NEED half as many Nos with the same effect. I guess you can't quite spread them as well though. You need 2/3 as many, not half as many. Factoring the damage bonus and resist bonus, you could also argue that abaddon tanks every 4th ship for "free" (assuming equal dps) and needs 4/5 of the guns to deliver same damage (not that anyone would fit any). Ya, mental slip on the 2/3 vs 1/2. No one has mentioned the web bonus though. This has proven to be quite effective today in combo with the damps. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:11:00 - [12] Edited by: Xendie on 09/12/2006 18:11:20 Originally by: Baun Originally by: jamesw Originally by: Baun Originally by: ookke bhaalgorn has quite horrible CPU, it's hard(=impossible) to fit with proper tank, mwd/ab, cap injector and 7 nos + large remote rep. CPU is an issue ya. I don't see that Nos issue though. You only NEED half as many Nos with the same effect. I guess you can't quite spread them as well though. I think you need 2/3 the nos for the same effect (50% bonus at max skill iirc). f.ex an Abbadon wiht 6 heavy dims + talismans = Bhall with 4 heavy dims + talismans. Even with 4 heavy nos, it doesnt tank as well as the abbadon (lower resists). IMO Abbadon is a better nos boat. If you can fit the same tank, you have an extra slot for cap recharge without much CPU use. I guess I would like to see more stats before I buy this argument if you are using someone elses cap for your reppers you dont need much cap recharge mods. the fact that the bhalgorns cost versus the abbadons cost where the abbadon also is fully insurable weighs very much into the equation also when choosing between the two as the difference isnt so big in nos performance and the tanking difference is big. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Baun Originally by: jamesw Originally by: Baun Originally by: ookke bhaalgorn has quite horrible CPU, it's hard(=impossible) to fit with proper tank, mwd/ab, cap injector and 7 nos + large remote rep. CPU is an issue ya. I don't see that Nos issue though. You only NEED half as many Nos with the same effect. I guess you can't quite spread them as well though. I think you need 2/3 the nos for the same effect (50% bonus at max skill iirc). f.ex an Abbadon wiht 6 heavy dims + talismans = Bhall with 4 heavy dims + talismans. Even with 4 heavy nos, it doesnt tank as well as the abbadon (lower resists). IMO Abbadon is a better nos boat. If you can fit the same tank, you have an extra slot for cap recharge without much CPU use. I guess I would like to see more stats before I buy this argument if you are using someone elses cap for your reppers you dont need much cap recharge mods. the fact that the bhalgorns cost versus the abbadons cost where the abbadon also is fully insurable weighs very much into the equation also when choosing between the two as the difference isnt so big and the tanking difference is big. I buy that Malken, but cost wont be an issue in later rounds when winning is everything. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:19:00 - [14] Edited by: Baun on 09/12/2006 18:19:30 Here is a counter question then: Are people using Abaddon's instead of Nightmares because they are so close to being comparable? A nightmare has alot more armor than An Abaddon and one extra low slot but the Abaddon is cheaper, fully insurable, has a non-stacking nerfed resistance bonus and more CPU. In any case, under this line of argument a Nightmare is a better Nos ship than a Bhaalgorn. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 09/12/2006 18:19:30 Here is a counter question then: Are people using Abaddon's instead of Nightmares because they are so close to being comparable? A nightmare has alot more armor than An Abaddon and one extra low slot but the Abaddon is cheaper, fully insurable, has a non-stacking nerfed resistance bonus and more CPU. In any case, under this line of argument a Nightmare is a better Nos ship than a Bhaalgorn. abbadons cost value for NOS is better. id rather pay 200m and have 150m of that fully insured over paying 1,5b and get 100m back maybe some teams are saving the bhalgorn to the final 16 matches. as we have seen in previous tournaments some ppl saves some ships for different tactics and so on. we will se what happens, neither you or me have the answers to what will happen in the tournament. this tournament is still very much open and its not just CNR's that win this time around. the TCA's tactic have worked very well so far with their abbadon, will they change up their tactic?, will everyone else pump more sensor boosters in and dampen them first in next match? who knows, we will have to wait and see. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:40:00 - [16] Indeed, more interesting format this time. I still want to see some team use a nightmare even if its slightly worse overall :) The Enemy's Gate is Down
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:41:00 - [17] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 09/12/2006 18:42:12 Originally by: Baun more CPU. This. Good luck fitting a Bhaal with anything but **** on a stick with only T2 and cosmos :/
Oscar Kain Amarr The Kain Foundation	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:11:00 - [18] i would pick a bhaalgorn if only for its web bonus
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Oscar Kain i would pick a bhaalgorn if only for its web bonus 15km webs versus 10km doesn't make very much difference. - EVE is sick.
gulligullan	Posted - 2006.12.10 11:51:00 - [20] And for you that never has bought a Bhaalgorn. They are not easy to get. There are not many bhaalgorns out there in the space.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.10 18:08:00 - [21] Well, now we've seen it . Go BoB.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.10 18:09:00 - [22] I trust you will be paid a consultancy fee
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.10 18:18:00 - [23] ;) I just hope they dont change too much in whats allowed in 6 months time. Stockpiling tactics. ;) Roll on the 1/4s KIA EVE Home
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.10 18:58:00 - [24] Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 10/12/2006 18:27:20 ;) TWD is no fool. 240 cap every 7.5 seconds x 6 He knows thats a monster. ALthough was worried about the tank in that fight... but it held on. AAA by the looks of it and reports that they had neuts and not nos or a mix. and that they did dump it all repetedly on the bhalgorn when they after one cycle should have spread it to remove others remote tanking possibilities some. then they propably would have gotten TWD down. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?

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