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Ave Volta
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:17:00 -
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Anyone else more than a bit surprised there was no old forum data migration to the new forums?
I guess we always have eve-search but fragmenting the forums 8 years in... 
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Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:22:00 -
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They probably couldn't export the old forum in a usable manner. It was really, really old and really crappy code. |

Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:34:00 -
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I disagree.
I've been working with forum software off and on for the last 15 years now and there is always, -always-, a migration path that exists. Even if you export the data into an intermediate format that then feeds into a custom loader that then loads the forum data into the new forum. I've had to do some ugly code to get it done, but getting it done is the issue.
... ok that's interesting. I did a couple test edits of this post and there is no visible notification that I had edited it.
That might be an issue considering that people do financial offerings here that can be best described as "wall O'text". So if people start editing their OP and changing terms we won't know about it unless we scan every word? |

Electus Ereptor
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:35:00 -
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Terrible forum is terrible with oversized portraits.
EDIT: Testing edit notification. |

Ave Volta
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:42:00 -
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Zeta Zhul wrote:I've been working with forum software off and on for the last 15 years now and there is always, -always-, a migration path that exists.
Indeed. It's just a matter of effort. |

Mephistocles
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:46:00 -
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Zeta Zhul wrote:... ok that's interesting. I did a couple test edits of this post and there is no visible notification that I had edited it.
That might be an issue considering that people do financial offerings here that can be best described as "wall O'text". So if people start editing their OP and changing terms we won't know about it unless we scan every word?
Let the panic begin.  |

Electus Ereptor
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:46:00 -
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Zeta Zhul wrote:I disagree.
I've been working with forum software off and on for the last 15 years now and there is always, -always-, a migration path that exists. Even if you export the data into an intermediate format that then feeds into a custom loader that then loads the forum data into the new forum. I've had to do some ugly code to get it done, but getting it done is the issue.
... ok that's interesting. I did a couple test edits of this post and there is no visible notification that I had edited it.
That might be an issue considering that people do financial offerings here that can be best described as "wall O'text". So if people start editing their OP and changing terms we won't know about it unless we scan every word?
Above your post it says edited by: zeta zhul. Hover over it to see the reason.
EDIT: And WOW, it saves the history of the past posts. So you can view the changes in the posts. |

Mephistocles
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:49:00 -
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Electus Ereptor wrote:Above your post it says edited by: zeta zhul. Hover over it to see the reason.
EDIT: And WOW, it saves the history of the past posts. So you can view the changes in the posts.
Good catch. I might not be too keen on the layout/look of the forums, but you have to admit there are some nice features that were lacking with the old forums. |

Jonasan Mikio
Tarps Anonymous
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 16:58:00 -
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I think this is more of a resource problem..
Imagen taking the entire old forum database, converting it and putting the new forum db under load.. ALL WHILE PEOPLE ARE POSTING!
That would just be dumb and a bad use of company resources.. there is not always a migration path, because in the real world of coding often times resources and man hours condem some things to just die. |

Electus Ereptor
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:00:00 -
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Jonasan Mikio wrote:I think this is more of a resource problem..
Imagen taking the entire old forum database, converting it and putting the new forum db under load.. ALL WHILE PEOPLE ARE POSTING!
That would just be dumb and a bad use of company resources.. there is not always a migration path, because in the real world of coding often times resources and man hours condem some things to just die.
Thats why they should have migrated beforehand. herpa derp. |

Jonasan Mikio
Tarps Anonymous
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:03:00 -
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Electus Ereptor wrote:Jonasan Mikio wrote:I think this is more of a resource problem..
Imagen taking the entire old forum database, converting it and putting the new forum db under load.. ALL WHILE PEOPLE ARE POSTING!
That would just be dumb and a bad use of company resources.. there is not always a migration path, because in the real world of coding often times resources and man hours condem some things to just die. Thats why they should have migrated beforehand. herpa derp.
Even premigration would put their serves under alot of stress.. its not like they just push a button and everything gets transfered think of this way....
like a meat grinder...
Product goes in one side (orginal forum posts) -> Gets grinded (code converts it to new forum structor) -> out comes hamburger... (forum posts in new db).
Things to note about this, someone still has to turn the grinder, AKA a server.. so either they could put it on some crappy resource box the yhave and let it tie up their network lines, SQL servers, and everything else for as long as it takes to crunch it all... or they can release us yummy features, and maybe worry about it later!
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Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:20:00 -
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Hey I stand corrected. 
$coffee->need( now() ); ugh. |

Electus Ereptor
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:22:00 -
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Jonasan Mikio wrote:Electus Ereptor wrote:Jonasan Mikio wrote:I think this is more of a resource problem..
Imagen taking the entire old forum database, converting it and putting the new forum db under load.. ALL WHILE PEOPLE ARE POSTING!
That would just be dumb and a bad use of company resources.. there is not always a migration path, because in the real world of coding often times resources and man hours condem some things to just die. Thats why they should have migrated beforehand. herpa derp. Even premigration would put their serves under alot of stress.. its not like they just push a button and everything gets transfered think of this way.... like a meat grinder... Product goes in one side (orginal forum posts) -> Gets grinded (code converts it to new forum structor) -> out comes hamburger... (forum posts in new db). Things to note about this, someone still has to turn the grinder, AKA a server.. so either they could put it on some crappy resource box the yhave and let it tie up their network lines, SQL servers, and everything else for as long as it takes to crunch it all... or they can release us yummy features, and maybe worry about it later! Systems admin here, you dont need to tell me how things work. Also by putting it off until later, it will only worsen the load, but meh. |

Jonasan Mikio
Tarps Anonymous
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:24:00 -
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Zeta Zhul wrote:Hey I stand corrected.  $coffee->need( now() ); ugh.
$CoffeeLevels = This->getCoffeeIntake;
If($CoffeeLevels == '2 pots' && Time <= 1Pm) { echo("OMG ITS OVER 9000"); }
// Suedo code is Suedo |

Jonasan Mikio
Tarps Anonymous
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:26:00 -
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Electus Ereptor wrote:Jonasan Mikio wrote:Electus Ereptor wrote:Jonasan Mikio wrote:I think this is more of a resource problem..
Imagen taking the entire old forum database, converting it and putting the new forum db under load.. ALL WHILE PEOPLE ARE POSTING!
That would just be dumb and a bad use of company resources.. there is not always a migration path, because in the real world of coding often times resources and man hours condem some things to just die. Thats why they should have migrated beforehand. herpa derp. Even premigration would put their serves under alot of stress.. its not like they just push a button and everything gets transfered think of this way.... like a meat grinder... Product goes in one side (orginal forum posts) -> Gets grinded (code converts it to new forum structor) -> out comes hamburger... (forum posts in new db). Things to note about this, someone still has to turn the grinder, AKA a server.. so either they could put it on some crappy resource box the yhave and let it tie up their network lines, SQL servers, and everything else for as long as it takes to crunch it all... or they can release us yummy features, and maybe worry about it later! Systems admin here, you dont need to tell me how things work. Also by putting it off until later, it will only worsen the load, but meh.
You must not be a very good one then, because generally they will convert it to a local db, over a period of time... on a local box.. then simply plop it all in the main db after thats done..
So no it does not really increase the work load (which is why they are locking posts so the work load cant be added to)
P.S. Is your company hiring? It seems like they need people in the know.
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Electus Ereptor
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:29:00 -
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Jonasan Mikio wrote:Electus Ereptor wrote:Jonasan Mikio wrote:Electus Ereptor wrote:Jonasan Mikio wrote:I think this is more of a resource problem..
Imagen taking the entire old forum database, converting it and putting the new forum db under load.. ALL WHILE PEOPLE ARE POSTING!
That would just be dumb and a bad use of company resources.. there is not always a migration path, because in the real world of coding often times resources and man hours condem some things to just die. Thats why they should have migrated beforehand. herpa derp. Even premigration would put their serves under alot of stress.. its not like they just push a button and everything gets transfered think of this way.... like a meat grinder... Product goes in one side (orginal forum posts) -> Gets grinded (code converts it to new forum structor) -> out comes hamburger... (forum posts in new db). Things to note about this, someone still has to turn the grinder, AKA a server.. so either they could put it on some crappy resource box the yhave and let it tie up their network lines, SQL servers, and everything else for as long as it takes to crunch it all... or they can release us yummy features, and maybe worry about it later! Systems admin here, you dont need to tell me how things work. Also by putting it off until later, it will only worsen the load, but meh. You must not be a very good one then, because generally they will convert it to a local db, over a period of time... on a local box.. then simply plop it all in the main db after thats done.. So no it does not really increase the work load (which is why they are locking posts so the work load cant be added to) P.S. Is your company hiring? It seems like they need people in the know.
Your logic is terrible, as are your insults. The migration should have taken place before hand, making all the old topics read-only alone is a nusiance enough to make it worth the effort now. Also you need to read through your posts again, you've contradicted yourself about 3 times. |

Jonasan Mikio
Tarps Anonymous
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:34:00 -
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Electus Ereptor wrote:[quote=Jonasan Mikio] Your logic is terrible, as are your insults. The migration should have taken place before hand, making all the old topics read-only alone is a nusiance enough to make it worth the effort now. Also you need to read through your posts again, you've contradicted yourself about 3 times.
Migration never takes place before hand!
Its not like eves db is jus tone little table called "Forum posts" that has some simple information in it... its not like exporting a phpbb3 or the like db... there is many more deep seeded things that have to be converted to a newer system.
However, if you think you ca do better then literally some of the BEST db experts in the business, then by all means go ahead.. make a company, build it up.. and then you will get your chance to show us... but fact of the matter is CCP does not employee dummies, and this was not something that was just decided over night..
Lawl... arm chair DBAs I love it..
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Electus Ereptor
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:36:00 -
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Jonasan Mikio wrote:Electus Ereptor wrote:[quote=Jonasan Mikio] Your logic is terrible, as are your insults. The migration should have taken place before hand, making all the old topics read-only alone is a nusiance enough to make it worth the effort now. Also you need to read through your posts again, you've contradicted yourself about 3 times. Migration never takes place before hand! Its not like eves db is jus tone little table called "Forum posts" that has some simple information in it... its not like exporting a phpbb3 or the like db... there is many more deep seeded things that have to be converted to a newer system. However, if you think you ca do better then literally some of the BEST db experts in the business, then by all means go ahead.. make a company, build it up.. and then you will get your chance to show us... but fact of the matter is CCP does not employee dummies, and this was not something that was just decided over night.. Lawl... arm chair DBAs I love it..
Whyusomad? |

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
7
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:40:00 -
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You do realize there is also a "Archives" link at the top of these forums that take you to the old board. |

Kabeta Sunji
Ferocious Felines
0
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:41:00 -
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Electus Ereptor wrote:Zeta Zhul wrote:I disagree.
I've been working with forum software off and on for the last 15 years now and there is always, -always-, a migration path that exists. Even if you export the data into an intermediate format that then feeds into a custom loader that then loads the forum data into the new forum. I've had to do some ugly code to get it done, but getting it done is the issue.
... ok that's interesting. I did a couple test edits of this post and there is no visible notification that I had edited it.
That might be an issue considering that people do financial offerings here that can be best described as "wall O'text". So if people start editing their OP and changing terms we won't know about it unless we scan every word? Above your post it says edited by: zeta zhul. Hover over it to see the reason. EDIT: And WOW, it saves the history of the past posts. So you can view the changes in the posts.
How do you see the history? |

Electus Ereptor
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:41:00 -
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SencneS wrote:You do realize there is also a "Archives" link at the top of these forums that take you to the old board. Yes, but there is going to be a flood of people copying their threads that were still active. |

Nouva MacGyver
MacGyver Communications
0
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:44:00 -
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Kabeta Sunji wrote:How do you see the history?
Wondering that too myself. I only see date/reason when hovering over, nothing more than that...?
Edit: Testing this Edit thing.
Edit 2: Testing Edit history thingy. |

Mara Villoso
Big Box
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:56:00 -
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Nouva MacGyver wrote:Kabeta Sunji wrote:How do you see the history? Wondering that too myself. I only see date/reason when hovering over, nothing more than that...?
click on the Edited by: link on the post. Its post by post, so its different for each reply you make to a thread. I think. |

Mara Villoso
Big Box
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:56:00 -
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Nouva MacGyver wrote:Kabeta Sunji wrote:How do you see the history? Wondering that too myself. I only see date/reason when hovering over, nothing more than that...?
click on the Edited by: link on the post. Its post by post, so its different for each reply you make to a thread. I think.
edit: practice edit |

Shadow Lightbringer
Nightghosts Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:58:00 -
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Electus Ereptor wrote:Yes, but there is going to be a flood of people copying their threads that were still active.
So.
If those threads are worth copying over here, they'll prosper. If they aren't, they'll fall to the bottom. CCP made the right call in not wasting precious dev time converting the DB.
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MailDeadDrop
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2011.04.07 18:09:00 -
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Kabeta Sunji wrote:How do you see the history?
Mara Villoso wrote:click on the Edited by: link on the post. Its post by post, so its different for each reply you make to a thread. I think.
The "Edited by:" text is not a link for me, merely normal looking grey text with a tooltip that lists the date & time of the edit and user-specified reason.
MDD |

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
7
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Posted - 2011.04.07 18:10:00 -
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The ability to like ones self is also disturbing.. That said.. who the hell liked me for the second vote on the same post. I also feel obligated to like myself on every post in order to jack up my own count just so I don't look like an ass as the person who "liked" themselves twice.
Nothing worse then getting a "vote" equal to that which you are able to increase the vote by...
Likes... Not to be used as a form of trust. |

Mara Villoso
Big Box
3
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Posted - 2011.04.07 18:34:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:Kabeta Sunji wrote:How do you see the history? Mara Villoso wrote:click on the Edited by: link on the post. Its post by post, so its different for each reply you make to a thread. I think. The "Edited by:" text is not a link for me, merely normal looking grey text with a tooltip that lists the date & time of the edit and user-specified reason. MDD If I hover over the orange highlighted edited by link, i get the same thing, but the link is definitely live for me. |

Cetus Perle Rote
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.04.07 18:42:00 -
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Testing edit view
Edit the edit
It seems you can only view your own edit history archive, but you can view the last edit time of other people. |

Caldari FTW123
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.04.07 18:43:00 -
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SencneS wrote:The ability to like ones self is also disturbing.. That said.. who the hell liked me for the second vote on the same post. I also feel obligated to like myself on every post in order to jack up my own count just so I don't look like an ass as the person who "liked" themselves twice.
Nothing worse then getting a "vote" equal to that which you are able to increase the vote by...
Likes... Not to be used as a form of trust.
A "like" button, in EVE online forums .. useless, exploitable, trollable and comical. |
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