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Vantick Iscod
Wolfenrecon
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.12.10 05:48:00 -
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I thought this was fixed in the patch... I've scanned a couple moons now and they are all coming back empty. Whats the deal?
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente
The Underground
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Posted - 2006.12.10 06:41:00 -
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arn't they fixing that on wed?
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.10 13:05:00 -
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I scanned 6 moons and had results on 3. Cadmium was the best I found though...
- Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always broke!
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Nimitz Alexander
Golden Goose Logistics
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.12.23 07:24:00 -
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seed is still odd and depressing. General 60% + of the moons are empty... in 350 moons scanned I have found one rarity 8.... The higher raritys seem ok, though I scanned a 84 moon system yesterday and the only non rarity four was cobalt...
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.23 10:48:00 -
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Yet you are getting omglots of minerals from refining the alloys from the drones, no?
No one region should "have it all", imo, if the moons really are that bad then, tbh, good.
You get crap moons, but in return you get great rig comp drops and alloys.
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2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2006.12.23 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: shinsushi on 23/12/2006 20:55:25
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Yet you are getting omglots of minerals from refining the alloys from the drones, no?
No one region should "have it all", imo, if the moons really are that bad then, tbh, good.
You get crap moons, but in return you get great rig comp drops and alloys.
Ok then.... give us hauler spawns and faction drops like the other regions aswell and conquerable stations. Complexes would be a plus too. I think if all those were added then the regions would be "balanced". The only thing going for the new regions is ratting minerals and that involves much more logistics then getting straight up isk per rat with loot.. I can get upto 5 mil isk in mins per spawn.... you can get triple 1.8 mil isk spawns.... thats about the same.
EDIT: Basically my point is that the new moons should have the same quality mins as others throughout eve. Stop thinking the grass is greener.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.23 22:32:00 -
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shinsushi, you are the one that thinks the grass is greener here, not I. I have access to moon scans from 8 of the "old" 0.0 regions, all checked and verified, I am well aware of how the dispersion of ores and materials goes across regions. No one region has ALL materials, not a single one. I'm also getting data on wreck salvage averages, again no one region has ALL the rig components - in fact as far as we can ascertain the "new" regions deliver one type of component that cannot be found ANYWHERE else (broken neurological link or something?).
Now, sure, you guys could do with some plex's - though I warn you they'll more than likely be in the same vein as the new blood raider plex's (they don't drop overseers, only loot) - but these are NEW regions, ccp will certainly not be editing the already implemented moon materials, not now.
I'd suggest you switch to asking for something else - like plex's. Or maybe you can ask for some npc stations, if you want I'll fully support them moving the godforsaken blood raider ones out of Delve 
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Jonas O'Fall
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Posted - 2006.12.23 22:59:00 -
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My main's corp has scanned several hundred moons, only found ~2 rarity 8s, multiple rarity 16s and 32s so the ratio is definitely screwed up.
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2006.12.24 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
shinsushi, you are the one that thinks the grass is greener here, not I. I have access to moon scans from 8 of the "old" 0.0 regions, all checked and verified, I am well aware of how the dispersion of ores and materials goes across regions. No one region has ALL materials, not a single one.
But by your own admissions the new regions minerals suck... lemme quote you to alleviate confusion.
Originally by: Dianabolic
You get crap moons, but in return you get great rig comp drops and alloys.
I never said anything about all mins... just well lemme quote again.
Originally by: shinsushi
Basically my point is that the new moons should have the same quality mins as others throughout eve.
Originally by: Dianabolic
Now, sure, you guys could do with some plex's - though I warn you they'll more than likely be in the same vein as the new blood raider plex's (they don't drop overseers, only loot) - but these are NEW regions, ccp will certainly not be editing the already implemented moon materials, not now.
I do not require plexes.I just pointed it out cause you made it sound like we had everything. Oh btw wouldn't writing entirely new ones take about the same if not more time to write as re-coding a few moons?
Originally by: Dianabolic
I'd suggest you switch to asking for something else - like plex's. Or maybe you can ask for some npc stations, if you want I'll fully support them moving the godforsaken blood raider ones out of Delve
Conquerable stations are like free outposts. NPC stations suck though.. I will give ya that. 
To sum up OLD regions
+ Conquerable stations (not NPC owned ones)
+ Hauler spawns
+ Complexes worth Billions per run
+ Better moon minerals
+ Faction spawns
NEW regions
+ mineral loot (which is decreasing in value daily)
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Nimitz Alexander
Golden Goose Logistics
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.12.24 08:03:00 -
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yah its the ratio thats screwy, specifically the rarity 8s.... 350 moons... 1 rarity 8, maybe 2 dozen rarity 16s, 3 rarity 32s. The higher end ratio is fine.
Now haulers on the otherhand.... Trit and pyrite are frankly hard as hell to get as drones drop tiny amounts and the roids are small and grow sloooooooowwww.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.24 10:57:00 -
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But I disagree that the new regions should have the same abundance, shinushi, that's the whole point - if ccp had done that then the new regions wouldn't be "new" at all, they'd just be regurjatated (sp). Every region in EvE has it's own little nuances and individuality, this will be yours - if you want immensley rich moons go to another region, take it by force, that's the whole point, no?
You can't expect it to be given to you on a platter - the new regions are another great unknown, it's a real shame someone like ISS hasn't setup a gallente outpost in the deepest darkest depths of it and catalogued the moons, ores, gases, npc's there by now and sold off the logistics for people to start colonising, I would have loved to do something such as that - there's an incredible amount of money to be made from it.
My point being, you want these regions to reflect current regions - I think that would be a bad thing, I think that making them completely different is far better for the variety of eve.
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Cruel Fox
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Posted - 2006.12.24 12:09:00 -
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Finally i see some other ppl being frostrated with new region.
What we have in new region is Drones - so now ppl will say u get a lot of minerals out of them - so what. For that cost u dont get Dread or Officer spawns, u dont get normal loot, and no boutntys, on the other hannd u have to refine all this aloys and compounnds at poses with low refining rate u have to hawl stuf annd sell minnerals in empire. Wow - and u r saying Drones r better. Sweet.
Moons were defennetlly broken but now they seems to be ok, but there are still some problems with them, and not a lot of good ones.
Ore is just redicilus small. Once u mine out the original spawned roid it will respawn nearlly as empty and will grow up SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, - read wont grow.
So we have drones, low amount of ore, bad moons, we found broken complex, we cant harvest gasses; WOW really good area - plz anyone try to evaluate it from good side for me to just feel better!
Or CCP plz do something about it!!! and fast
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Treean
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Posted - 2006.12.24 18:17:00 -
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You're forgetting that the drones do <b>NOT</b> increase your security status.
So essentially the only benefit of the new regions is the BS spawns which drop high end alloys which refine into high end mins.
Here's the catch. There are no stations so the only way to feesibly move them is to melt them in a POS at a reduced rate and carrier jump them back to empire to avoid the roving pirate camps (which are increasing every day). On top of that because high ends don't get used in volumes the price is plummeting to the point where making isk by selling mins wont be worth it.
So how about just self sustainability? The asteroids don't grow. Which means after DT they have the <b>bare</b> minimum ore in them. So no low ends to mine out there...so again, you have to jump supplies into the region.
There are some nice ice fields but the logistics in moving that to empire make the task not worth anyone's time.
So in short, the new regions suck...and they're only getting worse by the day.
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Princess Jodi
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:24:00 -
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I've spent all but 2 days since the Kali patch in the New Regions. I generally agree with the criticisms listed above, but will rephrase anyway:
1> The Moons do suck. We were able to scrounge up a few good moons, but I'm shocked at the number of empty moons and poor quality minerals. No where else I have ever scanned has been this bad.
2> There is no Officer or Hauler spawns as listed. Rats are just mobile loot cans that have to be shot so you can loot them. Drone mineral loot and Salvage is good, but I can see the bonuses being offset by the 'no bounty - no officer - no haulers - no standings - no special loot' issue.
3> Rocks don't respawn well. This is particularily true of any Exploration belts: One belt was mined out 2 weeks ago, and has yet to respawn another roid. Its just a piece of fluff in space now.
4> Exploration has not yet paid off at all. Complexes do not drop ANYTHING. True, I've found neat stuff like 'Unstable Wormholes', but I can't seem to do anything with them. I don't think any Gas Harvesting comes from exploration - I think that's 0.0 COSMOS stuff. Never seen an agent.
5> No complexes and no stations and 50 jumps to Jita. You should get something to offset those difficulties, but I haven't seen anything yet.
Maybee the intent is to make the New Regions so unattractive that they remain a no-man's land? Give people a place to go to crappy 0.0 space without worrying about anyone bothering them, cuz the place is not worth fighting over?
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.12.30 11:04:00 -
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The new regions were designed with player infrastructure and economies in mind.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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Attak
Trioptimum
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.30 19:09:00 -
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The new regions are missing about %60 of the isk making opportunities that the old regions have, including officer/faction spawns and complexes. If the devs want to keep the moons with funky ratios that's fine (though not exactly conductive to the "player infrastructure" the regions are based around). Just give us something else to make isk with besides compounds.
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Cruel Fox
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Posted - 2006.12.30 20:49:00 -
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New regions RULES - it gives us a big oportunity not to prosper well - that is what this region is good for; as i saw that GMs have no clue what is going on since sometime they said it is broken next time that it is meant to be like that and next time that they dont have any info about what is going on just made me stop to try do anything at all since it is pointless. I guess no one belive that it is crappy out there. Probablly CCP didnt design new region to be the poorest 0.0 in eve but it is. hey said that it will be the wheltiest but it is far from it.
Bad sides:
Moons broken - after repair all blue - after another repair some yelows - finall result no gd moons nearlly onlly med ones.
roids broken - all ore is low, nearlly not growing
drones - hard to hawl stuff around, no hawlers, no officers, no low ore, no bountys
complexes - hmmm, nothing in them, unstable warmholes
no stations
far from empire
good sides:
a lot of space to warp around and waste your time
no hostiles since area is not interested
we finally got our piece of land in eve
drones do drop good minerals
there r hiden stuff althow they r usless
there is all ore in belts thow u cant mine it
there is enought ice around
CCP - finally plz get sirius
gases - no hgarvesters and skil books
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Eliax
Gallente
Horizon.Inc
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.03 10:07:00 -
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/signed what cruel fox said.
CCP i really hope you are working on it.
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Slate Fistcrunch
Direct Intent
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.03.04 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Slate Fistcrunch on 04/03/2007 17:22:23
Why is everyone talking about refining the alloys out there and transporting the minerals back to empire to sell? Aren't the alloys already mineral compressed? Wouldn't it be easier and more efficient (less loss) to transport the alloy back to empire, refine there at 100%, and sell the minerals there?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.03.04 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Slate Fistcrunch
Edited by: Slate Fistcrunch on 04/03/2007 17:22:23
Why is everyone talking about refining the alloys out there and transporting the minerals back to empire to sell? Aren't the alloys already mineral compressed? Wouldn't it be easier and more efficient (less loss) to transport the alloy back to empire, refine there at 100%, and sell the minerals there?
That's only true as far as low-end minerals go. High-end alloys are bigger than the useful minerals they contain.
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