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Darth Bob
Dark Excession
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:09:00 -
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First off: I love eve. From the second I started playing, till now, almost 2 years later.
Now lately a lot of my friends have started playing WoW and nagging about it to me to get me to start playing as well. But as I've never actually played WoW, I'm starting to run out of reasons why EVE > WoW.
So please help me out here and I might even be able to get them to start eve 
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britchie
Gallente
International Space Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:13:00 -
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You are already good at Eve. Why would you want to start over as a noob in another game? And the Eve community is a lot better in my opinion.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:25:00 -
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The easiest way to express reasons not to play WoW is in expressing how little actual content there is in the game.
Quests
They are all the same standard fantasy MMORPG quests. Kill 50 Trudogarths. Fetch me a ladder.
Raids
Run a repetitive, mindless raid twice a week for 4 months to get a single item to boost my stats 10%? How about no.
PvP
WoW is unique and notorious as the only MMORPG in history to make PvP into a grind. You respawn when you die, so the only real point of PvP is to grind "honor", the stupidest concept ever introduced in WoW. The combat itself is pretty mindless button mashing of skills, too.
Killing enemies
Just as bad as in any standard fantasy MMORPG.
Crafting
Very mediocre, standard fantasy fare.
I mean seriously, the game has nothing going for it.
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pshepherd
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Quests
They are all the same standard fantasy MMORPG quests. Kill 50 Trudogarths. Fetch me a ladder.
I only played for a couple of weeks (trial version) but i loved the way the quests worked, the way the storyline continued is far better than eve's missions, which really are 'kill xxx'.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: pshepherd
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Quests
They are all the same standard fantasy MMORPG quests. Kill 50 Trudogarths. Fetch me a ladder.
I only played for a couple of weeks (trial version) but i loved the way the quests worked, the way the storyline continued is far better than eve's missions, which really are 'kill xxx'.
To be honest, in World of Warcraft, they're even worse.
In EVE, the game makes no secret of the fact that you doing the quests does not massively affect the game world.
In World of Warcraft, the quests act as if you are the single, sole player of the game. Everyone gets to save the town from the Trogs and be a hero doing it. Everyone defeats evil trolls and retrieves the prized Sword of Doom from its chest.
And thus the quests that appear to be part of a storyline are suddenly utterly pointless.
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Ravelin Eb
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:53:00 -
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I played WoW to beyond most raid content any normal player will see. into naxxramas.
DONT PLAY WOW
i think the most fun i ever had in a game was leveling up my first character when it released. that innocence to the game is destroyed quicklythat might sound odd but its very true. everything becomes old and repetitive instantly raids are massivly time consuming and boring for the 1000'th time and there so much luck involved on drops that many others are striving for, its retarded.
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Darth Bob
Dark Excession
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:54:00 -
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ok, I've been mainly using the 'no actual influence on the world' line most of the time now, but I need a few more :)
btw, thanks for the quick awnsers
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Bosie
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:40:00 -
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Your character will never have an impact on the world, ever.
Good game if you like to switch off you brain and chill out. My sub is up and I don't think I am going back even with the $30 expansion coming out.
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That word is ENGLAND."
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Epoch
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Posted - 2006.12.11 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Epoch on 11/12/2006 04:49:47
I played WoW on and off from the day of release up until about 6 months ago.
Ill try and give you my personal breakdown of pro's and con's regarding the game.
1-60 - Alot of fun IMO. The quests have no less substance than eve missions. I never had to "stop the thief" in WoW 20 times. they can be very monotonous and have nothing to do with the main storyline (whatever that is). but, the quests for the most part do make sense. WoW quests are much better then EQ quests.. but thats not saying much.
Its at 60 the game can become a real drag. at 60: advancement = gear and gear = lots of time. at 60 you can remain a casual player. you can continue to do 5 man (scholo, strat) and 10 man (ubrs) to get gear, but that gear will always be subpar compared to raider and pvpers gear. in WoW, the better gear you have, the bigger your **** is. WoW is a very loot driven game. if you have **** gear you're a "noob" regardless of your lvl. at 60 you only have two options to get gear:
a. become a raider. which can be alot of fun. figuring out the tactics to kills bosses, beating a previous record through the instance, getting new gear, being the first on the server to down a boss etc. but here are some ****ty bits about it. distibution of loot is always a problem. its a massive time sink. any large guild capable of doing end game instance is going to require dedication from you. if you cant be on, you dont need to be in the guild. that kind of mentality. reputation grinding is another facet and its horrible. ill spare you the details.
b. become a pvper. pvp in WoW is hillarious. at lower lvls, there is quite a bit skill involved in killing another player. at 60 the determining factor is mainly - who has better gear? his skill at using the gear is irelevant if yours is worse. granted there are players with **** gear who can kill just about anyone, but those guys are few in number. alot of it depends on class. a warlock will rarely kill a fury build warrior 1 on 1 if both have equivalent lvl gear. you cant be both a pvper and raider fulltime. and the pvp grind consists of honor points (already briefly discussed). its obnoxious. if you stop playing the honor points decay. you need to get x amnt of honor points to advance to the next lvl. higher lvls = more gear. alot of this can be read about on WoW's website under the pvp section. and a large bit of this is changing once the expansion comes out.
if you play the game, you're probably going to have a blast. most ppl find it to be alot of fun. i just tried to give you my personal opinion on the game. but one suggestion i can give you is do not play a rogue. there are 10,000 on every server. pick a warrior or a priest. both are always wanted by grps if you go the pve route and both are excellent at pvp.
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Vivi pk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Vivi pk on 11/12/2006 07:29:59
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The easiest way to express reasons not to play WoW is in expressing how little actual content there is in the game.
Quests
They are all the same standard fantasy MMORPG quests. Kill 50 Trudogarths. Fetch me a ladder.
Raids
Run a repetitive, mindless raid twice a week for 4 months to get a single item to boost my stats 10%? How about no.
PvP
WoW is unique and notorious as the only MMORPG in history to make PvP into a grind. You respawn when you die, so the only real point of PvP is to grind "honor", the stupidest concept ever introduced in WoW. The combat itself is pretty mindless button mashing of skills, too.
Killing enemies
Just as bad as in any standard fantasy MMORPG.
Crafting
Very mediocre, standard fantasy fare.
I mean seriously, the game has nothing going for it.
Yep nothing going for it. Only beats Eve by 7mil+ players under the time eve been around.
and twice a week for 4months to get one peice of gear? nah...
And to the OP - Be smart, don't ask about another game on a different or same Game forum.
To be honest, thats why they have a trail version.
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Destiny Calling
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vivi pk
Yep nothing going for it. Only beats Eve by 7mil+ players under the time eve been around.
and twice a week for 4months to get one peice of gear from raids? nah...
And to the OP - Be smart, don't ask about another game on a different or same Game forum.
To be honest, thats why they have a trail version.
The majority disagrees with you.
Yes it does beat Eve in sibscribersm the same way more people use electricity than candles - wow is like the tutorial for mmorpg.
Certainly every one should try it,but you cam't deny the lack of actual enjoyment after a while. If you die once you may as well die a thousand times in wow. It matters little
Cry me a river, build me a bridge and get over it
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Redart
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.11 09:06:00 -
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WoW kills brain cells.
Matt @ GorgeousGamers.com
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.12.11 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
PvP
WoW is unique and notorious as the only MMORPG in history to make PvP into a grind. You respawn when you die, so the only real point of PvP is to grind "honor", the stupidest concept ever introduced in WoW. The combat itself is pretty mindless button mashing of skills, too.
QFFT.
I did play WoW, right up to the point where I killed someone. I was rather irritated I couldnt loot the corpse and the only "reward" I got for the killing was some honour point. Whoop-de-****ing-do.
Canceled my account after that.
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Qece
Gallente
Dead End Zeroes
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Posted - 2006.12.11 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The easiest way to express reasons not to play WoW is in expressing how little actual content there is in the game.
Quests
They are all the same standard fantasy MMORPG quests. Kill 50 Trudogarths. Fetch me a ladder.
Raids
Run a repetitive, mindless raid twice a week for 4 months to get a single item to boost my stats 10%? How about no.
PvP
WoW is unique and notorious as the only MMORPG in history to make PvP into a grind. You respawn when you die, so the only real point of PvP is to grind "honor", the stupidest concept ever introduced in WoW. The combat itself is pretty mindless button mashing of skills, too.
Killing enemies
Just as bad as in any standard fantasy MMORPG.
Crafting
Very mediocre, standard fantasy fare.
I mean seriously, the game has nothing going for it.
You have obviously no basis for your statement on Raids. The fact that without a shadow of a doubt that the fights are incredibly well scripted and tough is why many mature players keep going back.
However, I've given up on WoW as it's just too time-consuming. Oh, and PvP can be as tactful or as tactless as you prefer so if mindless button mashing is your thing then that's how you'll play it, the skillful among us will play it our way and come out on top. Button mashers are, to coin a phrase, "free honour". 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.11 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Qece
You have obviously no basis for your statement on Raids. The fact that without a shadow of a doubt that the fights are incredibly well scripted and tough is why many mature players keep going back.
"Well-scripted" does not stop a raid from being repetitive and eventually quite boring.
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2006.12.11 11:31:00 -
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There's no reason why you shouldn't play WoW. Personally I think WoW and EVE compliment eachother quite well. WoW for a burst of mindless short lived addiction with no consequences and EVE for long term immersive thoughtful gameplay with consequences.
Plus there's nothing inherently bad about trying something, it means you can come to your own conclusion about which you prefer rather than listening to other people
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Taaketa Frist
The Praxis Initiative
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.11 11:36:00 -
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I used to raid. I was always told to arrive an hour to make crystal juice for the healers... :( It takes two hours to make enough for a raid. 
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DonFighter
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: DonFighter on 11/12/2006 14:01:31
PvP with no down side to dying is just like playing poker without money. Takes all the excitement away.
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Agnar Koladrov
Gallente
Hurricane Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:19:00 -
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Why not..well my opinion:
WoW is damn right ugly, I don`t mind the high fantasy bit, but c`mon. You got to love the cartoon like graphics or you just hate it. Now I`m not even talking about gameplay, mindless PvP/PvE.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:25:00 -
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I started wow some months ago and I think it has potential. After 3 years of eve, its just kinda obvious that some look for something different.
DS, its your opinion if you dont like it. Np with that.
But I disagree with the raiding part. IŠve done runs with randoms and with my guild mates and it was a total different expression. Wipes several times with randoms, only 1 with my guild. Its like doing a complex but you need a group to do it, not kill the whole complex by yourself. Its the opposite of eve if you do PVE.
PVP in wow is something I liked before the last patch. Now a rank1 can get rank14 items if heŠs 60 and has the stuff. Other than that, its fun (for me).
Test it, if you dont like it, leave it.
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Tobizuru
Minmatar
Cosmic Odyssey
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.11 19:00:00 -
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WoW Gives Puppies Cancer 
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Mr Bigglesworth
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.11 19:33:00 -
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I play WoW.
I play EVE.
Is that such a crime?
Infact as im sat in a raven chaining NPC's, 2x Giantstalker Helms just dropped from Onyxia. Being a warlock - i was ****ed off.
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Kye Kenshin
Black Takeda
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Posted - 2006.12.11 20:49:00 -
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WTF you can't loot corpses when you kill someone?
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ZaKma
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.12.11 21:16:00 -
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WoW was great fun. Note the WAS. Back in the beta days, with a few friends and no 100 addons and OMGPURPLZ and morons spamming all the chat channels.
We used to go out, just doing our thing. It was fun. We were a small guild of people who mostly played together trough a few other games and we thought we'd try out WoW. Most of us continued playing after it got released, we played to around 2 weeks after hitting 60. Then pretty much all of us quit with a sour taste.
It was fun, while it lasted. But after you hit 60 there's nothing to do (nothing that won't get you bored after you do it a few times anyway).
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2006.12.11 21:27:00 -
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A lot of people think that World of Warcraft is like any other computer game.
Wrong.
WoW destroys lives. Where once you had a friend, by the time the transformation is complete, you find yourself dimly recalling a stranger.
At first they begin with the same enthusiasm that captures all gamers starting off a new game. Then you find you are seeing them even less often. They make excuses for why they are staying in, why are not around so much any more, why they can't make it to some event. Time passes, and you find yourself surprised at having forgotten them, the sudden realisation striking you that you last heard from them weeks ago.
They might reappear. They will apologise for having not kept in touch, they will say they are back now, that they won't be playing WoW again for a while. But they will slip back in, a bit of casual gaming here and there, until once again you become aware of their absence long after the event.
You may never hear from them again. You might hear of their continued existence second-hand, or perhaps searching for EVE-related material, searching for killboards, you might come across a blog where they enthuse about leading raids, how they have several lvl 60 characters and are working on another. But the last entry will be several months old, and the e-mail address will return an error.
Don't play WoW. It is not just another game.
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Leverton
AWE Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.11 23:26:00 -
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I say this all the time, but WoW is a VERY well designed axe-swinging game. If you're looking to put a large hole in a monster, WoW is the game to do it in.
HOWEVER, you will not get the diversity, complexity, and ultimate fun factor that you get from EVE.
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Tarquin Tarquinius
Gallente
Ore Mongers
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.11 23:46:00 -
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Personally I think SciFi nerds are way cooler than Fantasy nerds. Image too guys talking about Star Trek, then imagine too dudes talking about Dungeons and Dragons. Who's dorkier?
Maybe it's just that I never had any interest in elves, gnomes, dragons, and all that crap.
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Posted - 2006.12.11 23:50:00 -
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you may want to read this article about why not to play WOW, written by one of the guild leaders for one of the top guilds in wow.
Article
rather thought-provoking.
As for why not to play, there's a simple reason. No matter what you do, how long you play, and who you're with, you'll have fun, you'll get loot, you'll make things... but your action will never, ever reshape the map, change the entire game world, or perform similar feats. you will be a "hero", and peform great feats... but so will the queue of a hundred other players lined up behind you to be heroes in exactly the same way.
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Leverton
AWE Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.12 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
you may want to read this article about why not to play WOW, written by one of the guild leaders for one of the top guilds in wow.
Article
rather thought-provoking.
As for why not to play, there's a simple reason. No matter what you do, how long you play, and who you're with, you'll have fun, you'll get loot, you'll make things... but your action will never, ever reshape the map, change the entire game world, or perform similar feats. you will be a "hero", and peform great feats... but so will the queue of a hundred other players lined up behind you to be heroes in exactly the same way.
I've read that article before and it's very well written.
What happens to so many people is that become obsessed with the gear they have (or don't have), and forget the game is about player interaction.
That's why I always say not too get too involved in the end-game instance crowd, they'll drag you down into obsession.
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Tuiurn
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Posted - 2006.12.12 03:28:00 -
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To OP: Why shoudn't you play WoW? Well, if you have the money and time, play both! I'm currently subscribed to EVE and WoW. Now, of course here at the EVE forums you're going to get semi-biased responses. Here's my 2 cents:
EVE and WoW are two totally different games, and IMHO, shouldn't be compared. Yes, WoW holds your hand for a while when you start playing (it's linear), but then again, you can really jump right into WoW. EVE though, after a few hour long tutorial, many questions remained unnswered, and Rookie Help becomes your best friend.
I havent been playing EVE for long, but so far, Ive discovered that it's different than any other MMO in existence. It seems like almost everything in this game is player controlled. The interface is fun, and the PVP is unquestionably the best in any MMO.
Now, WoW has its great points too.  I've been playing WoW since beta, and have pretty much experienced all of the content in the game. (of course not all, but hell most) That's one of the problems right there. Getting from level 1-60 is fun fun fun! Raiding and pvp'ing at 60 is fun for a while too, but then...the repetitiveness kicks in. In EVE, there are no "leves" and with the immense ammount of pvp, theres always something to do. ALWAYS.
WoW also has 7million subscribers. Average guild sizes range between 250-400 members. There's always a buddy on, or someone to group with. The classes and combat in the game are quite addictive, and one of the great aspects about the game is that you always have something big to look forward to. Whether it's vanish as a rogue, your first mount at lvl 40, or your first epic weapon, there's always a goal to work towards. And with the 2.0.1 PvP revamp, World pvp (raiding towns) has become more popular. Imagine walking out of a weapons shop in say, Stormwind (human capitol city), only to see massive ammounts of horde ccharacters running towards your leaders, ready to kill all that stand in your path. yes, it's true wow is very "carebear"...but try lvling up on a pvp server....getting camped is perty annoying!
Community: I have to agree with the rest of the eve forum-people, the EVE community generally is more mature and relaxed.
Of course, this is mainly because of the sheer number of WoW subscribers. 7million...thats a lot So with more players, more immature and annoying people come. It's also due to the fact that WoW is easy for anyone to get into. Im pretty sure that EVE's 4 hour tutorial weeds out those "little" kids. My one problem with the eve community is in an online aspect. In WoW, guild chat is usually always flowing, with people talking about their days, asking other members for help/starting groups, and generally just laughing and making jokes...In eve (and most other mmo's) sometimes corp. members dont even say hello when u get on, or its just dead silence. NOTE: Ive only seen this in EVE a few times(and now that I think about it, only really one or two)
Well, thats really all i got to say...if u can get both WoW and eve...if u can only choose one, well then thats up to you. My reccomendation is go hit up the WoW 14-day free trial and see what you think.
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