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Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:02:00 - [31] Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 08:05:40 Originally by: arkarsk And the main is revealed. Why would I make a post and then directly contradict it with another character? Did you even read what I have been replying, i.e. that the op is probably wrong. As DBP (isnt it? :o) says: "please unplug your keyboard" Quote: A law student? Boy, hope you have a lot left to learn, because you're not showing very much understanding of the material you already "know" You do know that this is a "frontier" area of law and very few people "know" much of anything about it. That is why I find it fascinating. Why are you even commenting here? Do you have anything to say other than to randomnly flame me for no reason? Quote: "DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW IMPORTANT I AM IN THE MMORPG COMMUNITY?" Thats not even close to what I said. You simply don't randomnly accuse a long standing member of the community of doing something untoward without proof and with absolutely no reason to do so or provocation (unless like that guy, and apparently this new joker, you are a barely functioning simpleton). What that moron posted is akin to entering a discussion among computer programmers who play Eve and asking them if they dupe ships or minerals in order to make money ingame. Of course, that would be a completely appropriate and sensible comment wouldn't it? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:18:00 - [32] Originally by: Baun Yes, because an American law student with an interest in this area wouldn't know anything about American law in this area. You clearly neither have any idea who I am nor how long I have been playing this game, so take your ignorant slander elsewhere. Moron. You've tried this before Baun and nobody believed you then. In fact, I'd expect someone who graduated from clown college to know the difference between "slander" and "libel". Here's a reference for your future. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel ---
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:21:00 - [33] Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 08:21:20 Originally by: Ashen Brarn Originally by: Baun Yes, because an American law student with an interest in this area wouldn't know anything about American law in this area. You clearly neither have any idea who I am nor how long I have been playing this game, so take your ignorant slander elsewhere. Moron. You've tried this before Baun and nobody believed you then. In fact, I'd expect someone who graduated from clown college to know the difference between "slander" and "libel". Here's a reference for your future. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel I am at a complete loss here. What did I try before and what did no one believe? I was using the word coloquially, not legally. Then again, I guess everyone else guess to analyze me seriously and I am not allowed to actually discuss an actual serious question posed by the op without being insulted left and right. Please, pile on I clearly deserve to be flamed for being interested in intelectual property and posting on a thread about it. The Enemy's Gate is Down
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:22:00 - [34] Edited by: arkarsk on 11/12/2006 08:42:11 Edited by: arkarsk on 11/12/2006 08:25:10 Originally by: Baun Originally by: arkarsk And the main is revealed. Why would I make a post and then directly contradict it with another character? My attempt at a joke seems to have been lost in your massively superior intellect Originally by: Baun (unless like that guy, and apparently this new joker, you are a barely functioning simpleton). serious business Originally by: Baun Please, pile on I clearly deserve to be flamed for being interested in intelectual property and posting on a thread about it. I think my favorite part of this thread is how you respond to jokes or half hearted posts with things like "do you have any idea who i am?" or "you are a barely functioning simpleton". Clearly, you've become so smart that you've been able to judge the intelligence of other people through a few of their posts on a spaceship game forum. edit2: VVVVVV Originally by: Baun Much like you who is able to judge that I obviously know nothing about the subject or how about the other guy who was apparently able to divine that I am a ebaying GTCer because I posted on the thread? Did you miss the part where I was joking or what? VVVVVV ----------------- http://www.eve-provenance.com
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:23:00 - [35] It would be so nice to be able to sue the spying scumbag for fraud and make him pay a hefty compensation for the moral damage his fraud have caused If I were in the US, I'd contact my lawyer for the possibility of this action. Person't IP is not hard to get, and his ISP will have to provide his RL identity under the court order.
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Moghydin moral damage I hope you aren't serious ----------------- http://www.eve-provenance.com
XiZ0r Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Ashen Brarn I think this could work if we get Judge Judy and EveTV involved. ROFL this would be very amusing I might say.
Lord Flashheart Trade and Research Technologies R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:36:00 - [38] Originally by: levitron This may be the funniest thread ever. /signed
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:38:00 - [39] Originally by: arkarsk I think my favorite part of this thread is how you respond to jokes or half hearted posts with things like "do you have any idea who i am?" or "you are a barely functioning simpleton". To be fair, I am more than a little stressed out right now and trying to use the forum to take breaks between studying. This was probably not the best idea and has definitely decreased my patience. People are coming out of no where to insult me for no reason and it is more than mildly frustrating. Quote: Clearly, you've become so smart that you've been able to judge the intelligence of other people through a few of their posts on a spaceship game forum. Much like you who is able to judge that I obviously know nothing about the subject or how about the other guy who was apparently able to divine that I am a ebaying GTCer because I posted on the thread? When you insult people without referencing what they have said you look stupid. I merely highlighted this. Care to actually constructively comment on something remotely related to this thread now? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:43:00 - [40] Originally by: Baun People are coming out of no where to insult me for no reason and it is more than mildly frustrating. When you insult people without referencing what they have said you look stupid. I merely highlighted this. Care to actually constructively comment on something remotely related to this thread now? You mean like call someone a moron? Page 1 if you have forgotten already. I assume the studies have something to do with in-game, the mods don't like out-of-game references here. ---
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:46:00 - [41] Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/12/2006 08:46:52 Originally by: Baun People are coming out of no where to insult me for no reason and it is more than mildly frustrating. Don't worry Baun you get used to it Originally by: Baun To be fair, I am more than a little stressed out right now and trying to use the forum to take breaks between studying. This was probably not the best idea and has definitely decreased my patience. I'm in the same boat atm.. and I too am not convinced that forum whoring in between breaks is a good idea either..... well it certainly takes your mind of things though.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Ashen Brarn You mean like call someone a moron? Page 1 if you have forgotten already. I assume the studies have something to do with in-game, the mods don't like out-of-game references here. Lets back track here. Step 1: Someone posts a thread which talks about whether or not in-game items have "real world" value. This person makes an argument that they do Step 2: A few people reply on point, me among them. I make a reply arguing that they probably do not but that it is unclear. Step 3: Someone accuses me of Ebaying isk and selling GTCs Step 4: I get mad Step 5: Someone tells me I obviously no nothing about the subject (without saying much else) Step 6: You tell me that I have tried "this" before and criticize me for using a word in a non-legal sense. So, if I understand you correctly, I have no right to get made when someone accuses me of breaking the EULA for no reason? I am human, when people insult me for no reason and then more and more people pile on I will generally not be pleased about it. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:49:00 - [43] Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 08:50:51 Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/12/2006 08:46:52 Originally by: Baun People are coming out of no where to insult me for no reason and it is more than mildly frustrating. Don't worry Baun you get used to it Ya but we shouldn't have to man. Far too few cogent thinkers around these days and even fewer people who can politely disagree. I would settle for mere on point posts, but I guess that is too much to ask. It is really disheartening for me to see people act justified when they completely rail into someone for NO REASON and then act shocked when that person gets mad. Anyway I'm off. The Enemy's Gate is Down
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:52:00 - [44] Originally by: Baun As DBP (isnt it? :o) says: "please unplug your keyboard" No, that's not me. It is quite worrying how much time you spend thinking about me though. You and samuraijack might wanna get together and share you sycophantic fantasies or something. Anything to get them off the forums. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Euripides Das Now assuming that EVE assets have a real world value then, you have just made false statments by wire for gain. Nope, CCP directly says in the EULA that it is illegal to sell virtual assets for RL money. Actually, you don't own anything that's pixels on the servers, all you get from paying for your sub is the right to log onto the servers. Nice try, unfounded, next! :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Euripides Das Now assuming that EVE assets have a real world value then, you have just made false statments by wire for gain. Nope, CCP directly says in the EULA that it is illegal to sell virtual assets for RL money. Actually, you don't own anything that's pixels on the servers, all you get from paying for your sub is the right to log onto the servers. Nice try, unfounded, next! :) Quotable. Not only are these assets arguably without worth, even if they had a value, they arent owned by anyone but CCP. - - - These elite slaves are exceptionally well suited for physical labor.
Renox Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Euripides Das Just a quick note. It seems that some alliances here have been setting up false accounts to insert spies into other alliances (instead of say passing somebody 5 Bil ISK ingame) and making false statements to get these alts in. Now assuming that EVE assets have a real world value then, you have just made false statments by wire for gain. In the US this is called wire fraud and there can be both civil and criminal penalties (this means that besides possible criminal charges the folks you defrauded can sue you for a bunch). Before you say "it's just a game" wire fraud is part of the RICO (racketeer influenced corrupt organizations) Act, a bit of law known for it's wide interpertation, and no as long as you can buy ISK on EBAY the argument that the EULA says that Eve assets have no real world value is unlikely to fly. In short please cool the metagaming folks. It's eventually going to land somebody in hot water. Ragnar, is that you? ps. Think TTI in the early years. TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
chromer one FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:58:00 - [48] At least in my country: copying a password protected board material in malicios intention is illegal and penalized. Also intruding passwordprotected information networks ie. teamspeak servenrs or ventrilo servers can be compared as hacking into protected server and is illegal and penalized. If these servers wich are breached in malicious intention are within my countrys borders the breach will be dealt with my countrys law. So if you get caught doing something like this.. the distance doesnt give you any protection if the owner wants he can sue you and you will be penalized. -tough game.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:11:00 - [49] Originally by: chromer one Edited by: chromer one on 11/12/2006 10:01:24 At least in my country: copying a password protected board material in malicious intention is illegal and penalized. Also intruding password protected information networks ie. teamspeak servers or ventrilo servers can be compared as hacking into protected server and is illegal and penalized. If these servers wich are breached in malicious intention are within my countrys borders the breach will be dealt with my countrys law. So if you get caught doing something like this.. the distance doesnt give you any protection if the owner wants he can sue you and you will be penalized. -tough game. btw even owning a board account in intention to spread the protected information to other party is a malicious and illegal.. hmm how easy is to track ip.... [edited typos (not all)] Then again, spies in EVE generally get the passwords through very LEGAL means, they join a corp and then get the TS info from the owner of the server. Nothing hacky about that... Same goes with forum access. They get access to the forums because they're a member of that corporation and leadership grants them forum access. - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Elandra Starfall	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:39:00 - [50] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: chromer one Edited by: chromer one on 11/12/2006 10:01:24 At least in my country: copying a password protected board material in malicious intention is illegal and penalized. Also intruding password protected information networks ie. teamspeak servers or ventrilo servers can be compared as hacking into protected server and is illegal and penalized. If these servers wich are breached in malicious intention are within my countrys borders the breach will be dealt with my countrys law. So if you get caught doing something like this.. the distance doesnt give you any protection if the owner wants he can sue you and you will be penalized. -tough game. btw even owning a board account in intention to spread the protected information to other party is a malicious and illegal.. hmm how easy is to track ip.... [edited typos (not all)] Then again, spies in EVE generally get the passwords through very LEGAL means, they join a corp and then get the TS info from the owner of the server. Nothing hacky about that... Same goes with forum access. They get access to the forums because they're a member of that corporation and leadership grants them forum access. Funny thread this is :) I don't know much about law but imo social engineering is still part of the hacking.

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:47:00 - [51] Removed alot of off topic posts and unconstructive posts. Also moved to Out of Pod due to this being a real world matter. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long


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