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Realypk	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:11:00 - [1] Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 09:16:23 Ok guys i used to make around 30m an hour ratting in 0.0, recently after the revelations patch thats all gone to hell. I made 16 m in 6 hours.... this really stinks. I've checked with almost everyone else i know that rats, and they admit they never get good spawns anymore all they get is crappy spawns that are worth jack crap... I can no longer afford to rat and pvp, this is pretty screwed up.....
darklegionca	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:16:00 - [2] dont worry i have called the wahblance for you it will be here shortly ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
Realypk	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:17:00 - [3] what is a whablance?
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:17:00 - [4] Panic Button?. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Realypk	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:19:00 - [5] I dunno i just cant make money any more and am kinda distraught..... i might have to get rid of my combat chars and get to mining again... which i really really hate....
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Realypk I dunno i just cant make money any more and am kinda distraught..... i might have to get rid of my combat chars and get to mining again... which i really really hate.... Or wait until Wednesdays patch? (Empty Space - Thinking)
Realypk	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 09:21:56 whats gonna happen in wednesdays patch? that would make ratting a viable way of making isk again?
KingKenny	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Realypk Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 09:21:56 whats gonna happen in wednesdays patch? that would make ratting a viable way of making isk again? I think you will find the salvage drop rate will increase for the larger ships. People need this stuff to make rigs. It will however take some time for the value of these items to stabalise on the market. Just give it time.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Realypk Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 09:21:56 whats gonna happen in wednesdays patch? that would make ratting a viable way of making isk again? Dunno tbh. Doesn't look like it now I actually look at the patchnotes. Belt Ratting's been way better for me personally since Kali, theres so many more Belt NPC'ers in 0.0 with nice loot since WTZ was introduced. (Empty Space - Thinking)
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:39:00 - [10] guristas have been nerfed - serpentis have had about a 20% boost blood raiders are steady and angels have been boosted slightly not sure about sanshas maybe youre current system had its true sec status altered These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer

Lootcatcher	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:40:00 - [11] Check your corp taxes, maybe your CEO went overboard and put it at 75% or something
Realypk	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:40:00 - [12] see i'm talkin bountys... i almost never see good bounty rats anymore :( i always seem to get triple 800k and triple 650k when i used to get triple 1.8m's :( when i kill them to work up to the 1.8 like it used to be i almost never get a better spawn, most of the time it actually degrades the spawn!!! Loot is meh since i never get good bs spawns any more.... I've gone all around, and everyone i know that rats confirms the above.... I think they may have seriously nerfed ratting in favour of that stupid exploration crap...
Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:50:00 - [13] ive noticed a drop in loot drops but it does seem variable - i had a really good night last night but that was the first night in a few tbh ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:51:00 - [14] You know I've lived with ratting 500k - 950k battleship rats for a while. I can easily make 10 mill ISK in about 2 hours.
Realypk	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:54:00 - [15] I used to make 30m in one hour..... thats been completley shot to hell... guristas suck hard core now :(
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:55:00 - [16] Stop whining, the spawns are as always. Siganture removed due to profanity - Serathu ([email protected])
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:58:00 - [17] a drop in the amount of income will just mean that sellers will need to drop their prices in order to sell. So, in the end, all will stablise back to normal. Economics is great, innit? -------------------------------------------- Join Now
DeckardIRL Gallente Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:59:00 - [18] It must be your system- could have been downgraded since Kali. We are getting regular and good spawns- probably more Shadow spawns than previously. We are also getting good salvage. Although salvage does slow down ratting processes we are looking to have a corp looter and salvager so that the ratters just keep killing and the corp pleb comes along and cleans up the belt in an exequror. Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Chewan Mesa Stop whining, the spawns are as always. I would have to disagree. In syndicate,at least, the serp spawns in a typical system before Kali woul consist of 3 or 4 BS spawns (single or double) and 2 or 3 Battle cruiser/Cruiser spawns. Since Kali the same typical system is hard pushed to produce even one battleship spawn. This doesn't bother me too much as i have other sources of income but it does indicate that things are not 'as always' ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:04:00 - [20] Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 11/12/2006 10:03:56 I cant really comment on other parts of space, but since the OP was complaining about Guristas, I threw my 2 cents in, since the gurista-spawns have certainly not changed in the north. Siganture removed due to profanity - Serathu ([email protected])

Dracolich North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:04:00 - [21] Ratting for 6 hours... Ratting is close to be as boring as mining. Fly something cheaper, maybe?
Realypk	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:12:00 - [22] Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 10:13:26 I'm north as well... been to 5-6 different systems between -.87 and -.1 all had the same results :( I have asked other ratters in systems.. all they are gettin are obliterators now...
Moonlord	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:20:00 - [23] "guristas have been nerfed - serpentis have had about a 20% boost blood raiders are steady and angels have been boosted slightly not sure about sanshas maybe youre current system had its true sec status altered" No, guristas now have their cap power relays boosted to huge values, same goes with pdu. They also have HAM's wich goes for insane amounts. Its not all in the bounties, u have to look at what u get from them aswell (I dont count faction and officers in these calculations)
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Dracolich Ratting for 6 hours... Ratting is close to be as boring as mining. Fly something cheaper, maybe? This man is quite right.
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:49:00 - [25] you were making to much isk, c'mon only tech 2 owners allowed to earn isk in eve. Wars need to be won, and they usually are won by the people with better technology and more isk to spend, lvl 4 mission were nerfed because of whiners who complained about empire people making isk, eventho I rat in 0.0 for my isk it's only natural that it ended up catching us.
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Nicholai Pestot Originally by: Chewan Mesa Stop whining, the spawns are as always. I would have to disagree. In syndicate,at least, the serp spawns in a typical system before Kali woul consist of 3 or 4 BS spawns (single or double) and 2 or 3 Battle cruiser/Cruiser spawns. Since Kali the same typical system is hard pushed to produce even one battleship spawn. This doesn't bother me too much as i have other sources of income but it does indicate that things are not 'as always' Agree'd. Down in Stain there's been a heavy drop in spawns, and we're seeing almost no Tyrant or Overlord spawns anymore, and the spawn rate is just down right silly (2 hours for a re-spawn). --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
Akiman	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:08:00 - [27] nah not that bad...but yeah its 'nerfed'
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:11:00 - [28] Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/12/2006 11:12:11 Couldn't try ratting so far, bloody war. But my guess is that it has become even easier to make isk in crappy systems/regions, because we can spawn our private complexes via exploration, as I understand it. Haven't also had the time to try that one of course. But my guess is that it's become easier to make isk with doing PvE stuff for many players, who depended on ratting and didn't have access to the uber systems. It probably also has drawbacks, if that's the case (farming). We'll see. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Zaphod Jones Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:11:00 - [29] I think the OP really just needs a big hug
Wadaya Caldari Tok'Ra Inc	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:17:00 - [30] Or the sweatshop he works at wonders why his isk quota is down :) Wad Corpmate> Got any burned logic circuits? Wadaya> nope, go fish :P

Deathsoul Caldari Evolution	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:22:00 - [31] Edited by: Deathsoul on 11/12/2006 11:23:28 Originally by: Realypk I used to make 30m in one hour..... thats been completley shot to hell... guristas suck hard core now :( You realy think that is the way it should have been ? to afk kill npc's (yes i say afk as any 1 mill sp idiot can do it) and then go buy your self some stuff that should not be availible exept with team effort, after all, eve is teamplay. Have you looked at if loot and salvaged items maby boost the bounty now and you might get ewen more than those 30 mills if you would do so ? Just a hint :)
Realypk	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:26:00 - [32] Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 11:27:57 lol no i was only 400 m away from my caldari issue raven.... now i'm gonna have to work 10 times as long to get it lol my raven collection must look its best! and yes it should remain that way.... teams are not as dilligent as i am... i was awsome at doing it alone... and i never did it afk... lol watched tv while doin it
Deathsoul Caldari Evolution	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Realypk Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 11:27:57 lol no i was only 400 m away from my caldari issue raven.... now i'm gonna have to work 10 times as long to get it lol my raven collection must look its best! and yes it should remain that way.... teams are not as dilligent as i am... i was awsome at doing it alone... and i never did it afk... lol watched tv while doin it If your look at eve is "solo 4tw" then plz do the eve comunity a favour and go back to Counter strike m8.
Adoro adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.11 11:48:00 - [34] Hm, just dont rat? Havent been ratting for weeks, still got a steady ISK income and shoot the ** out of everything passing me... -------- Originally by:** ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life The LV way
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:02:00 - [35] Does the change to the directional scanner have an impact on your wallet? --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:49:00 - [36] I haven't noticed any difference in Guristas spawns. Even found a dread spawn - dropped a Gila BPC for me too. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
d026 Herrscher der Zeit Jagdgeschwader The Pentagram	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:58:00 - [37] i get alot of faction spawns arround venal. at least more than domination spawns i got in the south. on the other hand.. dont get that good named stuff from guristas. angels tend to drop alot of arbalest launchers.. guristas tend to drop tI stuff -.-
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.11 13:13:00 - [38] Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/12/2006 13:21:36 Originally by: Tachy Does the change to the directional scanner have an impact on your wallet? Well, think it would, if I'd rat the same way like before. But I didn't use directional spawns to find faction spawns, but to clear the rubbish out of the belts and later to see, if the rats I was been chaining were already respawned. So I was most of the time warping from bs spawn to bs spawn once the system had good spawns like triple 1.55 mil bounty spawns. And of course to find spawns that jump away. If you find a domination or hauler spawn and the spawn jumps to another belt, then it's quite annoying. Checking like 20 belts to find it again is not much fun. The directional scanner was really nice for ratting. (edit: Need money fast, because I rat usually like 3 days in a row and then I try to live/pvp from it like 6 weeks. ) CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Awox Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.11 13:28:00 - [39] cry more lol snip Discussing moderation/ linking to flamebait is a no-no. Read the forum rules before reposting. If you have any questions, email us at [email protected] Tirg
Malcanis	Posted - 2006.12.11 13:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Realypk Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 09:16:23 Ok guys i used to make around 30m an hour ratting in 0.0, recently after the revelations patch thats all gone to hell. I made 16 m in 6 hours.... this really stinks. I've checked with almost everyone else i know that rats, and they admit they never get good spawns anymore all they get is crappy spawns that are worth jack crap... I can no longer afford to rat and pvp, this is pretty screwed up..... I've been making 5M/hour just from bounty ratting with a Drake. Maybe you've just had bad luck. More 1.4 and 1.55M BS than I could deal with.

Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.11 13:52:00 - [41] I just hope Providence didn't get nerfed. The amount one could make is pathetic as it is, no need to lower it even more. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Imhotep Khem Total Mayhem. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.11 19:57:00 - [42] 30m in an hour is chump change. Its about what I make on a good hour ratting. Thats not counting the loot of course. So folks should not act like this is some kind of isk fountain as that is not that much money. I too have noticed a change in NPC spawning. It seems to me that the spawn quality has increased, but the spawn frequency has decreased. So if there are just 1 or 2 in system, I make way more isk. But if we get 5-6 people, within an hour everyone will leave because all the rats will be gone. ____ If your not dyin' your not tryin'.
Caedicus Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:48:00 - [43] Hi Realypk. I remember passing you by on my way back to empire. I rat waay up north, like 20 jumps north of where I saw you. I have no problems finding good BS spawns. Double 1.2 mill, double 1.5 mils, double 1.8 mills. In fact, I'm not even strong enough to take some of them yet. Just thought I'd let you know. Evolution in Eve:
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Deathsoul Originally by: Realypk Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 11:27:57 lol no i was only 400 m away from my caldari issue raven.... now i'm gonna have to work 10 times as long to get it lol my raven collection must look its best! and yes it should remain that way.... teams are not as dilligent as i am... i was awsome at doing it alone... and i never did it afk... lol watched tv while doin it If your look at eve is "solo 4tw" then plz do the eve comunity a favour and go back to Counter strike m8. How about getting a clue? Everyone rats solo, they bounties arn't worth it for ratting with other people. I don't udnerstand the constant nerfs in this game. No wonder people buy isk. -=====-
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.11 20:54:00 - [45] It may just be luck of the draw. I've gone around looking for spawns and not found anything for quite awhile. Then I jumped out again and seemed to get nothing but BS spawns. It does seem like something has changed with respawn rates, but I'm not sure what. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.11 21:28:00 - [46] OP is just whining about his bad luck. I made 200m ratting guristas in four hours over the weekend, of which half is loot. /sm
Alekzander Caldari Scorn. Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.11 23:01:00 - [47] Scan probes, escalating paths... out now...? Giganormous pile of isk... Waiting to be found...
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium Kurai Komichi	Posted - 2006.12.11 23:28:00 - [48] Are you guys just saying rumors or is there a confirmation of spawn rate changes in the patch notes or something? I haven't noticed any change in spawns in Stain region. Did notice more true sansha frigs in a 0.5 system I go to though. --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz	Posted - 2006.12.12 00:19:00 - [49] So?.....You still make money unimaginably faster than the peeps in the new eastern regions, with less risk. You get bounties and dont have to haul your crap to empire just to make money.
EPSILON DELTA	Posted - 2006.12.12 00:41:00 - [50] 10-15mil an hour killing guristas right now, not so bad though of course would be better if i made more, th question is really what's there to buy with a billion in the wallet anyway? certainly not +5 implants if you live in 0.0, and hacs arent really that great for other than pvp. fully t2 fitted ships maybe but they just dont seem to ever die. Though I would still welcome a boost to guristas, can't complain about making more, or, what are you talking about, NPCers need more love CCP! ...Its painful to watch an officer spawn dispear before your eyes because of w/e that causes rats do disapear spontaniously for no reason.

Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.12 00:45:00 - [51] Originally by: DeckardIRL we are looking to have a corp looter and salvager so that the ratters just keep killing and the corp pleb comes along and cleans up the belt in an exequror. Deck awww! ROFL!
Roger Douglas Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.12 04:49:00 - [52] Well, last friday in a certain system in the north, a literal ratters paradise, it was raining manna; There were 6 dread gurista spawns and 2 officer spawns (kaikka) in 24 hours. BS spawns were plentiful, and as fast as they were killed they respawned. If anything, i'd say ratting has been improved. No shortage of rats here.
Sexy Schoolgirl	Posted - 2006.12.12 04:54:00 - [53] Originally by: Realypk Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 09:16:23 Ok guys i used to make around 30m an hour ratting in 0.0, recently after the revelations patch thats all gone to hell. I made 16 m in 6 hours.... this really stinks. I've checked with almost everyone else i know that rats, and they admit they never get good spawns anymore all they get is crappy spawns that are worth jack crap... I can no longer afford to rat and pvp, this is pretty screwed up..... Move to Empire where the is more risk and more reward in high sec level 4 missions.
Moraguth	Posted - 2006.12.12 05:57:00 - [54] I agree about exploration. My first time out i found a serpentis fortress. First level had over 10 1.2M BSs and more frigs and cruisers than you could shake a stick at. After me and a friend beat the second level, we get some message and a set destination button for away to go out and make 1 billion isk. we haven't done it yet, but damn. good game
JeanPierre Gallente Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.12 13:47:00 - [55] Originally by: MysticNZ Originally by: Deathsoul Originally by: Realypk Edited by: Realypk on 11/12/2006 11:27:57 lol no i was only 400 m away from my caldari issue raven.... now i'm gonna have to work 10 times as long to get it lol my raven collection must look its best! and yes it should remain that way.... teams are not as dilligent as i am... i was awsome at doing it alone... and i never did it afk... lol watched tv while doin it If your look at eve is "solo 4tw" then plz do the eve comunity a favour and go back to Counter strike m8. How about getting a clue? Everyone rats solo, they bounties arn't worth it for ratting with other people. I don't udnerstand the constant nerfs in this game. No wonder people buy isk. It's the "highest daisy" syndrome. Cut down anything that looks abnormal, instead of building up the rest of the crop to match the highest daisy in the field. It makes sense to sometimes nerf, sometimes build up. All MMORPG's seem to predominantly take the nerf route though (nerf 90% of the time, build up 10% of the time). Easier to destroy than create I suppose, and with a population raised with a rabid "pull down the strong guy" bias all their lives, its unlikely to change in either the playerbase, or the developers of said games. What can ya' do? ------------------------------ Ever notice that people who spend money on beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets are always complaining about being broke and not feeling well?
Decadent Diva	Posted - 2006.12.12 13:53:00 - [56] was able to kill any standard serpentis bs spawn in an enyo. now i need hours to kill anything above 1,2mil bounty
D2O LightWater Synergy.	Posted - 2006.12.12 14:14:00 - [57] Something has changed with Ratting. Yesterday I ratted from 16:00 - 00:00 and made 20 mill. In a true 0.0 system in Deklein. I would say 80% of all the rats are figgates or cruisers, thats when you have rats that is, most of the time the belts are empty and theres another problem with rats warping off when I attack them.
Beef Hardslab AlphaHivE	Posted - 2006.12.12 14:50:00 - [58] I haven't noticed any difference ratting, and I rat like a fiend lol. To those who say ratting is as boring as mining, well that's an opinion. IMO ratting is a hell of a lot more interesting than mining or missioning. When you are mining, your asteroid doesn't ever suddenly turn from Veldspar to Crokite does it? Missions were fun to me, until I did all of them once. All of what, 2 dozen or so unique missions? OK maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but still. Give me the excitement and unpredictability of 0.0 ratting over mining and missioning any day.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 14:54:00 - [59] I do not sign this statement, my ratting income has been equal to what it was before Revelations Chapter 1. goes away to sit in a big pile of ISK You are #27 in queue to see this signature.
HighlanderUK Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp. 9th Fleet	Posted - 2006.12.12 15:12:00 - [60] Originally by: Decadent Diva was able to kill any standard serpentis bs spawn in an enyo. now i need hours to kill anything above 1,2mil bounty Bear in mind all ships have had HP increases, so they take LONGER to kill. An Enyo does not have the consistent firepower and ammo reserves now (i know i have tested mine). ************************************************** Maker of the finest Scottish drones and ammo...all combined with Active Peat Camouflage (tm) -- so dark, you won't see them coming!!

Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.12 15:17:00 - [61] Depends... I'm having to find new hunting grounds. The system I typically rat in has had vastly reduced quality in it's spawns since revelations. Used to get 3-4 belts worth of 1.2mil+ BS spawns now you're lucky to get 1 in several hours. It's about 50/50 now between cruiser/BC spawns and cruiser/BS spawns but the BS's are typically under 1mil with a few, very infrequent, 1.1mil spawns thrown in and the occasional 1.2mil BS spawn. I think the true sec status of several systems was altered. Not sure yet but it would be interesting to see if someone can dig through wherever that information is and verify. I'd do it myself but don't know how.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.12 15:19:00 - [62] What's that? I can't hear you over my triple Lord Admiral spawns. ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Imperil Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 15:33:00 - [63] I have been hunting in Geminate region, and after Revelation, it has been terrible. Poor spawns and slow respawn rate. Support POS Overhaul - Read it NOW!
Daelin Blackleaf Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:27:00 - [64] I too have noticed a drop in the frequency of both high bounty spawns and any spawns at all. Hunting a -0.9x system with 15+ belts and having to sweep it twice or more to get a spawn isn't gonna earn one much isk. Perhaps the sec levels in 0.0 got shifted around a little and this is why we're getting mixed reports, perhaps there has been some change made, perhaps god really does play dice.... confirmation in any case would be appreciated. As for those who are knocking what is a valid concern you should remember that for many there is little else they can do for isk. If you cant mine/manufacture, live in a region with no market (or no permitted market) there is no other way to make your isk (please note I have other ways to make my isk, I just want to know what's going on because I actually enjoy ratting during those times when there is little else to do). If there has been a change thats fine with me, so long as exploration can actually provide some solo content (cos some of us don't share the exact same hours as the majority of our buddies). If the intention is to turn down the isk fount that is bounties then salvaging had better turn out to be profitable to compensate. As it stands mission running and empire trading are providing more reward at less risk than belt hunting, which is the staple diet of many a PvP'er (you know the folks who actually lose ships and need them replacing, not the guys who want their n'th faction ship to run around Jita with).
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:40:00 - [65] Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 12/12/2006 18:40:27 Originally by: Realypk see i'm talkin bountys... i almost never see good bounty rats anymore :( i always seem to get triple 800k and triple 650k when i used to get triple 1.8m's :( when i kill them to work up to the 1.8 like it used to be i almost never get a better spawn, most of the time it actually degrades the spawn!!! Loot is meh since i never get good bs spawns any more.... I've gone all around, and everyone i know that rats confirms the above.... I think they may have seriously nerfed ratting in favour of that stupid exploration crap... Jesus, shut up! Sick of you southern pilots ***ing about how your nearly 2mill triple BS spawns dont show up. Us ratters in fade can only hope for triple 1.5's against serps in the deepest of 0.0 with few rats. Even those are very few and far between Go 5 jumps from low sec in the south and you'll find triple 1mill+ BS spawns all the time. God, get used to it...and, how can you possibly only make 16mill in 6hours? You flying an AF and ratting? ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Beef Hardslab AlphaHivE	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:44:00 - [66] No kiddin, I make much more than that, and besides faction the biggest spawns I see are 2 X 950k.
McBrite Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger a drop in the amount of income will just mean that sellers will need to drop their prices in order to sell. So, in the end, all will stablise back to normal. Economics is great, innit? LoooooL!!! I wish the markets worked like that! But in the meantime I'll just leave you to your deluded dream...


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