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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1361
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Posted - 2015.08.24 08:57:55 -
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Arrendis wrote:
Khanid commands one of the greater Amarr Empire's two Iapetan titans. It's a ship that can devastate planets simply by moving into orbit. The Empire has all of one ship that can match it in power, and using that ship would mean it would be exposed not only to Khanid's Iapetan titan, but the Republic's Promethean titans - ie, Ragnaroks.
While it's doubtful that the Ragnaroks would be able to strike a crushing blow on thier own without being used in numbers the Empires seem to find prohibitive, if it were to come to blows between the two Iapetans, Republic titans - especially ones being flown under a false flag in order to assure deniability, say, ships claiming to belong to Goonswarm or Pandemic Legion - would almost certainly be able to take advantage of the battle to fatally assault both.
The Empire cannot afford to anger Khanid at this point. He's already fought the Amarr Navy to a standstill once, and would once again be in a position to undertake the first strike and establish an early OpTempo, if the Theology Council were to exclude him against his will. If he throws his hat in the ring, expect the Council to scramble to find something to bribe him with in order to get him to take it back again.
And expect the Khanid Kingdom to make them pay dearly for that service.
Respectfully, I think that your appraisal of the strategic situation is a tad... fantasist. While it is true that one of the two Imud Hubraus was a certain weight in the balance, it is only a facet of all the facts at that time that prevented this cold war to turn into something else...
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
The Tash-Murkons were indeed set as a replacement for House Khanid following our split some 300 years ago. 300 years to Amarr is like 300 years in geological time. A drop in the bucket. Given their Udorian background, it was not a popular choice and they could theoretically be replaced by House Khanid. I would think that both would get to compete in the current Trails though. No one wants to alienate another House at this time.
That sounds a bit extreme... I mean, the kind of things that could light up a huge royal unrest, and potential civil wars. One does not remove a full fledged Royal House without a very good reason... |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
576
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Posted - 2015.08.24 10:41:18 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:But it will all be dependent on whether or not HRM wants to compete. His is a unique position. He is technically an heir and a member of the Privy Council (by decree of Jamyl Sarum), but he is also the sovereign of his own kingdom.
With all due respect: King Khanid got granted a seat on the Privy Council but since he seceded he hasn't been counted as a Heir to the imperial throne. That hasn't changed yet: There are but 5 royal Heirs - King Khanid is Lord Councillor to the imperial throne, not a Heir to the imperial throne.
Whether King Khanid wants to compete for in the succession trials is for sure his decision, but the decision whether is eligible to compete rests with the Privy and Theology Councils. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2267
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Posted - 2015.08.24 10:59:36 -
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His Majesty competed once already in the succession trials.
He lost.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
"Reclaim our Empire"
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Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
272
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Posted - 2015.08.24 12:08:43 -
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Does such a public declaration to one of the Royal Houses mean that you are also declaring yourself loyal to Amarr? The chancellor himself has been reformed by the faith, and it is my estimation, that he would only accept those who profess to the faith of Amarr as one of his champions.
His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams.
Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
5741
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Posted - 2015.08.24 15:31:32 -
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I will be waiting to see whether or not the Theology Council makes a formal declaration as to whether the champion an heir picks must be Amarrian - or, furthermore, even an Imperial Loyalist. It would have... interesting consequences were they to make no such declaration.
Very interesting indeed.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2169
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Posted - 2015.08.24 16:49:32 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I will be waiting to see whether or not the Theology Council makes a formal declaration as to whether the champion an heir picks must be Amarrian - or, furthermore, even an Imperial Loyalist. It would have... interesting consequences were they to make no such declaration.
Very interesting indeed.
The last time around it was up to the Heirs themselves to decide whether or not they were willing to be represented by inferior races.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
5745
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Posted - 2015.08.24 16:52:40 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:The last time around it was up to the Heirs themselves to decide whether or not they were willing to be represented by inferior races. I understand your concern, but if the Heirs are lucky, Amarrians won't be too overrepresented.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1453
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Posted - 2015.08.24 17:06:19 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:... inferior races. Sometimes people I care a lot about ask why I won't stay and join the Empire. |
Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
97
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:50:56 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:His Majesty competed once already in the succession trials.
He lost.
I thought it was his dad that lost but his dad died in a tragically untimely manner, passing the loss to him. Making it technically something he didn't actually lose?
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
587
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:19:42 -
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Kale Silence wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:His Majesty competed once already in the succession trials.
He lost. I thought it was his dad that lost but his dad died in a tragically untimely manner, passing the loss to him. Making it technically something he didn't actually lose?
It is true that my King did not achieve victory in that particular succession trial. It is also true that he did not die at the end of it...which has lead to a few hundred years' worth of political anxiety for a great many people.
My words are, of course, an oversimplification.
However, we have a thread to discuss why King Khanid is the absolute best hope we have. This thread is for those who would offer support for Lord Aritcio Kor-Azor and we should respect their decisions to back him no matter what opinions we have otherwise.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
101
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:31:40 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:
It is true that my King did not achieve victory in that particular succession trial. It is also true that he did not die at the end of it...which has lead to a few hundred years' worth of political anxiety for a great many people.
My words are, of course, an oversimplification.
However, we have a thread to discuss why King Khanid is the absolute best hope we have. This thread is for those who would offer support for Lord Aritcio Kor-Azor and we should respect their decisions to back him no matter what opinions we have otherwise.
Well if your king lets Angel Cartel still retain being holders or go back to being holders, he can't be all that great. Doesn't exactly scream "upstanding citizen" and "Has people's best interests at heart".
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
593
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:43:08 -
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Kale Silence wrote:Well if your king lets Angel Cartel still retain being holders or go back to being holders, he can't be all that great. Doesn't exactly scream "upstanding citizen" and "Has people's best interests at heart".
What is the greater measure? Several decades of service to the Crown, or several months of living in Curse?
Just to be perfectly, crystal clear....the entire topic here, including and especially my life, does not concern you.
I apologize to Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci and Chancellor Kor-Azor for the continued derailment.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
102
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:48:49 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:
What is the greater measure? Several decades of service to the Crown, or several months of living in Curse?
Just to be perfectly, crystal clear....the entire topic here, including and especially my life, does not concern you.
I apologize to Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci and Chancellor Kor-Azor for the continued derailment.
Honestly I was kinda under the impression the curse involvement cancelled anything out before it So... greater measure would probably be curse. And of course it doesn't concern me. I just found your position hilarious and figured it'd be funny to poke holes in your paper-thin wall of hypocrisy. Oh how the high and mighty fall
*grabs popcorn and waits for response*
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1825
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:03:57 -
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Kahar Dex wrote:Does such a public declaration to one of the Royal Houses mean that you are also declaring yourself loyal to Amarr? The chancellor himself has been reformed by the faith, and it is my estimation, that he would only accept those who profess to the faith of Amarr as one of his champions.
I wouldn't say that some may favor certain Heir for various reasons based on his/her beliefs and not being himself part of the Amarr Empire. In this case the reason can be wanting the next Emperor be reasonable, diplomatic and possibly the least orthodox.
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1437
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:30:07 -
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Kale Silence wrote: (quotes and stuff)
*grabs popcorn and waits for response* While I can't say I support Mokk's choice of associates, I think you're going to develop a distaste for popcorn before he stoops to responding to this......
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
104
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:53:02 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Kale Silence wrote: (quotes and stuff)
*grabs popcorn and waits for response* While I can't say I support Mokk's choice of associates, I think you're going to develop a distaste for popcorn before he stoops to responding to this......
Then he knows he's been beaten
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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The Golden Serpent
Calibrated Chaos Habitual Chaos
107
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:14:32 -
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The Angel Cartel are excellent slavers, they do stuff in a business way, that is, properly with contracts and they provide mercenary services that are of a high quality not sure why anyone in the Kingdom would care about that. They provide a valuable resource. I don't know how it is in Amarr. They are not the same as the Blood Raiders at all, who are crazy, filthy and degenerate.
Your anticipation of an argument is disgusting, typical. |
Uriel Arcondus
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2
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Posted - 2015.08.25 09:30:42 -
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I pledge my support for House Kor-Azor and Aritcio Kor-Azor for Emperor. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
18938
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Posted - 2015.08.26 03:47:40 -
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It's truly pleasing to see more people in support. It's my hope that more supporters continue to turn out for Chancellor Kor-Azor, so that he may have the best possible selection of pilots to choose from to fight for him in the Trials.
"A City made of Dreams...is built in heaven" - GÖâ-
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:07:42 -
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Not Amarrian but worked with Amarr for a long time. Their enlightened attitudes and devotion to faith and humanity has earned my full support. This house will bring Amarr into a golden age. |
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
18942
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:00:29 -
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For the Kor-Azor heir, I've created an image to display and show to others for his support:
>>Image:Kor-Azor.s.Display1
"A City made of Dreams...is built in heaven" - GÖâ-
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
557
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:57:38 -
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That sign of support appears limited to an exclusive group of registered viewers. Is there another place on a more public venue we can see it?
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
18942
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Posted - 2015.09.09 18:07:53 -
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Markus Reese wrote:That sign of support appears limited to an exclusive group of registered viewers. Is there another place on a more public venue we can see it? I've added it to the base post, and I certainly plan on publicizing the support efforts in many more ways
"A City made of Dreams...is built in heaven" - GÖâ-
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
240
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Posted - 2015.09.09 18:14:42 -
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"This is the part where I play the Devil" (c) Aritcio Kor-Azor
Jamyl Sarum "Good and evil"
Jamyl Sarum in "EVE: Templar One"
Jamyl Sarum
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
18945
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:43:42 -
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The details of the trials have now been announced, and those wishing to fly as the champion for house Kor-Azor can apply to do so here. I graciously look forward to whatever is to come, as I will most certainly be pledging support and submitting a bid for the championship,
Good luck, fellow pilots.
"A City made of Dreams...is built in heaven" - GÖâ-
GPƒ U-Ç+¬ß¦ç-ƒ's Sߦ¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å
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