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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2015.08.24 17:38:44 -
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Fellow empyreans,
I don't know how many of you know me. Along with Ashterothi and Lockefox, I run the popular capsuleer learning service and research team called Hydrostatic. I rarely engage on GalNet, but I think we all recognize the importance of what happened in Safizon three days ago.
The Drifters have now permanently extinguished two of our number with the efficiency of CONCORD but without its mandate.
I come to you today as a fellow capsuleer. We owe it to ourselves, to the Amarr, and to the entire cluster to find out exactly what happened, both with Dr. Tukoss and now Empress Jamyl I.
Unfortunately, the only way we can accomplish this is by examining the body of Jamyl Sarum and comparing those scans with scans from the autopsy of Dr. Tukoss. Hydrostatic has extensive connections with the research team who so dilligently examined Dr. TukossGÇÖs body, but the whereabouts of Empress Jamyl IGÇÖs body are currently unknown.
In the pursuit of truth and preservation for us and for the cluster, Hydrostatic is prepared, as a neutral party, to commit a substantial financial reward for the safe and respectful return of Empress Jamyl IGÇÖs body into our custody. Upon receipt, we plan to perform non-invasive scans of the EmpressGÇÖs body to compare to those of Dr. Tukoss, and then turn it over to Amarr authorities for interment befitting the Empress.
If you have information regarding the whereabouts of Her body, please contact me immediately so that we can discuss the transfer, including any third parties you may require.
Phyridean,
Producer and Director, Hydrostatic |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7546
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:01:14 -
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IKAME formally endorses this initiative. Moving forward, we will be providing additional intelligence and information-gathering forms for pilots to use, as provided by our events analyst Suzuha Yamada and Ollie Rundle, along with footage gathered and collated by Jaret Victorian and Haria Haritimado.
I would like to personally thank every pilot assisting in this venture, both within IKAME and without, for pursuing the only proper path: cooperative efforts to recover and properly inter the remains of Empress Jamyl I.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
414
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:10:55 -
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You know, however much it'd be fun to have that corpse as a hood ornament on the Serial Peacemaker, and however much I find this obsession with a capsuleer's former meat puppet rather odd, I'll personally throw in a bit of dosh for this venture.
Given that I doubt it'll be of much actual worth, both in terms of scientific and spiritual matters, it won't be much but I'll throw three billion in the pot should Hydrostatic be able to verify that they are indeed being offered the genuine article.
Granted, it's pocket change, but there's too many people being irrationally obsessed with this corpsesicle as it is. Let's hope this'll succeed and people can start moving on to figuring out where the current meat puppet is and what the Empire is doing with it. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:11:44 -
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I highly discourage readers from submitting Her body to anyone, who has any "learning" or "research" goals. Such desecration must not stand!
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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:26:04 -
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Luna, I understand your concern, and I share your wish that the Empress be treated with respect. I believe the highest respect we can pay her is to figure out more about what it was that killed her, and work to prevent such things from happening in the future to those she sought to protect. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7550
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:26:11 -
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Personally, my only objective will be to verify that, indeed, the body is that of the Empress. Anything that follows will be at the express instruction of concerned parties. I very much doubt there will be need for anything beyond the most basic, non-invasive procedures.
With due respect, Phyridian, I doubt very much there will be anything to learn. Even in the case of Tukoss, the aberrations were likely a product of novel clone architecture and a subsequent failure of his TEBS. In the case of the Empress Jamyl I, I expect we will simply find that there was no TEBS operation, high-grade capsuleer implants, and standard, old-fashion biology. There will be little need to subject her remains to anything beyond the most basic tests to verify that these are indeed the imperial remains.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
255
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:27:05 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:I highly discourage readers from submitting Her body to anyone, who has any "learning" or "research" goals. Such desecration must not stand!
Yeah, better decompose in some random-ass warehouse deep in nullsec.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
281
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:33:56 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:I highly discourage readers from submitting Her body to anyone, who has any "learning" or "research" goals. Such desecration must not stand!
While the information that could be discovered by fairly non-intrusive, and standard practices of autopsy would be invaluable, we are planning on working with those faithful to ensure that proper treatment of the remains are maintained until such a time as they can be returned to their rightful resting place.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1955
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:35:21 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Personally, my only objective will be to verify that, indeed, the body is that of the Empress. Anything that follows will be at the express instruction of concerned parties. I very much doubt there will be need for anything beyond the most basic, non-invasive procedures.
With due respect, Phyridian, I doubt very much there will be anything to learn. Even in the case of Tukoss, the aberrations were likely a product of novel clone architecture and a subsequent failure of his TEBS. In the case of the Empress Jamyl I, I expect we will simply find that there was no TEBS operation, high-grade capsuleer implants, and standard, old-fashion biology. There will be little need to subject her remains to anything beyond the most basic tests to verify that these are indeed the imperial remains.
Makoto Priano has already demonstrated herself as a liar.
Do not trust, do not believe her words. If she tries to convince you in what she will do - don't fall for this.
I strongly recommend any Amarr official to avoid this person and don't have any business with dishonored like her. She must not be considered Caldari anymore and we don't hold responsibility for her actions. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7550
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:44:00 -
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You all know my opinion of the madwoman. Please don't feed the troll.
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
587
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:57:41 -
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While I commend everyone's dedication to this initiative, I have to caution, any remains must be returned to the Empire first and foremost. This is as much for cultural reasons as it is for reasons of intelligence.
If perchance there is someone reading this that has information on the whereabouts of, or is in possession of this...artefact...please consider that at this point the Empire is likely to give a handsome reward to the individual who kept the remains of our Empress out of the hands of the Drifters. They are also just as likely to spend the next several centuries torturing to death the body thief who made off with the remains of our Empress. Either way, I'm sure the pilot or corporation involved is certainly in for a very lively time. I highly recommend the individual take careful consideration of his or her future. Or lack thereof.
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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:00:19 -
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Diana, we understand that this is a sensitive matter, which is why I plan to personally supervise all actions taken. Any member of the Hydrostatic research panel will be able to observe as well, and given the diversity of our contacts throughout all four empires and several independent groups, I believe we can safely say that we'll avoid any biases held by any single researcher. |
Phyridean
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:01:43 -
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Sinjin, in addition to our substantial reward, we also have no plans to reveal the identity of the person we receive the body from, nor to torture them. |
Goldfinch
House Rkard
276
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:36:13 -
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Mr. Phyridean, Ms. Priano,
We respond with the utmost respect for your scientific curiosity and fully cognizant that you will try your best to honor Her Majesty's remains the best way that you, not of the Amarr Faith, are capable.
However, the Empress's remains are holy. All methods of scan and investigation are invasive as none of you are of the Sarum Family or claim any theological authority or motivation. Your restrictions are the same as those imposed on Matshi Raish.
We understand that you are capable of backing your offer with immense financial value. But we request that the Empress's body, if you receive it, be transferred to a person named by the Chamberlain or a proper authority without being subjected to a scan or investigation of any kind.
We have lost a dearly loved leader, the Voice of God, and our head of state. Please respect the tenets of our faith, and the sanctity of her person. Please do not dedicate your significant assets just to spite our sacred beliefs.
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Neph
Operation Meatshield
15
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:51:02 -
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I'm sorry, this is disgusting. The body of Jamyl Sarum should be returned to her family and her people. Doing anything more, or anything less, to any person--Empress or not--is dehumanizing and supremely disrespectful. Besides that, the body of one who embodied an entire nation should be treated with appropriate honor. |
Ashterothi
Nova Haven
282
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:51:19 -
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Given that SoCT has already publicly scanned her, and in light of the current Drifter situation I implore you to put the safety of those still living above the remains of one who is already returned to her maker.
Whatever it is that is going on, and whatever to Society is interested in, it behooves us to perform due diligence to discover it. All possible respect will be afforded the remains, and we believe this solution is vastly improved over the current one.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7555
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:51:49 -
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And you are saying, if we are presented biomass as the Empress's, we should not perform due diligence and verify, at the very least, that it is indeed the Empress before presenting it to the chamberlain?
While I laud Phyridian and Ashterothi's scientific desires, as the State is a dutiful ally, my objective is merely to verify that the remains we present to the Empire are indeed those they revere.
No invasive procedures should be performed without express direction of a due authority. I assure you that IKAME's HR department is already seeking out True Amarr lab personnel to assist in the venture, so that we observe all possible protocols to ensure that the remains are treated with dignity.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
282
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:54:28 -
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Neph wrote:I'm sorry, this is disgusting. The body of Jamyl Sarum should be returned to her family and her people. Doing anything more, or anything less, to any person--Empress or not--is dehumanizing and supremely disrespectful. Besides that, the body of one who embodied an entire nation should be treated with appropriate honor.
What is disgusting is the willingness to allow her holy remains to remain at large. We are offering a neutral solution that is far better then either leaving her to rot in someones hanger, or hand over whenever CONCORD decides to overstep their jurisdiction on such matters _again_.
We are committed to the safe return of her holy flesh to the faithful of Amarr.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
282
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:57:54 -
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Phyridean wrote:Sinjin, in addition to our substantial reward, we also have no plans to reveal the identity of the person we receive the body from, nor to torture them.
To reemphasize. We fear that the owner has not come forward for fear of being vilified, and the opinions expressed here only reinforce that fear. We have several people involved that come from various backgrounds to ensure neutrality.
We offer protection of the holder, as they are likely in a very uncomfortable position.
We are not here to witch hunt, merely secure proper care of the remains.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
Ushra'Khan
1437
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:18:24 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:You all know my opinion of the madwoman. Please don't feed the troll.
But the way she nibbles the bait is so cute.....
On topic, I'm not sure what you would learn from the body aside from the fact that it was in an explosion then subsequently exposed to the vacuum of space.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Goldfinch
House Rkard
278
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:20:29 -
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Ashterothi wrote:due diligence
Makoto Priano wrote:And you are saying, if we are presented biomass as the Empress's, we should not perform due diligence and verify, at the very least, that it is indeed the Empress before presenting it to the chamberlain?
Again, with all due respect neither of you are Amarr, and not of the Faith. We generally respect your opinions, but in the matter of the Amarr Empress, we don't think Gallentean and State interest parties should have the first and absolute say in what is invasive and isn't.
It is troubling to see no reverence or mutual respect for our beliefs. We would never personally insist on doing the same to you or your head of state in a similar situation. It is undiplomatic and disrespectful to insist on inspecting the Empress's remains. That your motives are benevolent is not the point. You are not her family. You are not a representative of the theocratic government of Amarr.
We are surprised there is no ethical tenet for privacy within the bounds of your scientific operation. Do you not consider privacy to be a part of your ethical obligations? Does your "due diligence" require you to roll roughshod over any concerns of privacy and personal sanctity?
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
283
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:30:10 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:You all know my opinion of the madwoman. Please don't feed the troll. But the way she nibbles the bait is so cute..... On topic, I'm not sure what you would learn from the body aside from the fact that it was in an explosion then subsequently exposed to the vacuum of space.
If SoCT is interested in her, so am I.
In all reality, we have already seen counterfeit bodies appear. Proper identification of the body is important before we can return it.
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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:36:05 -
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Goldfinch, with all due respect in return, I am Ni Kunni and have followed the faith throughout my journeys through Caldari and Gallente space. I want to see the Empress's remains treated with respect as much as you do. If we can successfully find the capsuleer who retrieved her body, I would be happy to directly contact the Sarum family to secure their cooperation. I believe that they, like us, will want her identity verified.
A simple scan of her body and a non-invasive retrieval of her capsuleer implant telemetry data could be vital in countering the Drifter threat, which I believe everyone here, and especially those living in the Empire, will agree is in the Cluster's best interest, but I am willing to concede that point if necessary. |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
283
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:38:17 -
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I and my corporation support your request and will add to the reward. We assume that should you acquire this information that you will share it with the capsuleer community. There are enough questions regarding her person that need to be answered that even stealing the shell that was once Jamyl Sarum should be considered. But out of respect for her person and her people, the non-invasive scan should be the most that is performed upon her. |
Amalla Galltera
Boys in Plaid
0
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:40:06 -
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Whoever has it's corpse should dispose of it immediately, in the most brutal way possible. Preferably by giving it to the Circadian Sleepers to have fun experimenting on the evil *****. |
Goldfinch
House Rkard
278
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:46:26 -
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Your Empress, Phyridean, did not want herself scanned when she was alive. Please respect her word and see to your duty as Amarr not to take it upon yourself to violate her privacy, as Matshi Raish did.
Can you give us your guarantee that no scans will be made without explicit approval from her family and the Chamberlain? There is an unmistakable element of deception, as employed by the SoCT, that haunts your hunt for knowledge in this matter. See the responses of your own colleagues. Would you please dispel these concerns by agreeing to operate strictly under the auspices of Amarr Law?
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7560
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:52:23 -
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To be frank, I'll admit to thinking Goldfinch's demands that we do not so much as verify the identity of the corpse is extreme and unreasonable.
However, to Ashterothi and Phyridian both, I advise this: you must dispense with any notion of scientific inquiry in this case. Our objective must be recovery of her remains, verification that the remains are the Empress's, and then return of those remains to the Empire for interment.
The likelihood that her remains will teach us anything new about the Drifter threat is so low as to be nonexistent, and the insult to the faithful would be considerable.
Frankly, it's not worth doing anything more than verifying that, indeed, the Empress's remains have been recovered.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
284
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:59:57 -
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Goldfinch wrote:Ashterothi wrote:due diligence Makoto Priano wrote:And you are saying, if we are presented biomass as the Empress's, we should not perform due diligence and verify, at the very least, that it is indeed the Empress before presenting it to the chamberlain? Again, with all due respect neither of you are Amarr, and not of the Faith. We generally respect your opinions, but in the matter of the Amarr Empress, we don't think Gallentean and State interest parties should have the first and absolute say in what is invasive and isn't. It is troubling to see no reverence or mutual respect for our beliefs. We would never personally insist on doing the same to you or your head of state in a similar situation. It is undiplomatic and disrespectful to insist on inspecting the Empress's remains. That your motives are benevolent is not the point. You are not her family. You are not a representative of the theocratic government of Amarr. We are surprised there is no ethical tenet for privacy within the bounds of your scientific operation. Do you not consider privacy to be a part of your ethical obligations? Does your "due diligence" require you to roll roughshod over any concerns of privacy and personal sanctity?
So that you are aware I grew up True Amarr loyal to the Theology Council. I attended the Empress' funeral and paid my respect to the late Empress.
While I may not hold the faith anymore, the gravity of the situation is far from lost on me.
My college Phyridian is Ni Kunni. He and I have discussed this matter at length and are very interested in preserving the dignity of the situation as much as possible. Ultimately we believe this to be the best of a bad situation. I am sorry if you disagree. If you offer an alternative I would be happy to entertain it.
While I understand this is a very stressful and emotional time for us all, please do not descend into libel.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate
Ushra'Khan
1437
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:01:13 -
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Ashterothi wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:You all know my opinion of the madwoman. Please don't feed the troll. But the way she nibbles the bait is so cute..... On topic, I'm not sure what you would learn from the body aside from the fact that it was in an explosion then subsequently exposed to the vacuum of space. If SoCT is interested in her, so am I. In all reality, we have already seen counterfeit bodies appear. Proper identification of the body is important before we can return it.
Wasn't the SOCK scanning the ship for data? We should be after the wreck of the titan.......... Did anyone think to pop an Entosis link on the thing?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
284
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:01:20 -
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Amalla Galltera wrote:Whoever has it's corpse should dispose of it immediately, in the most brutal way possible. Preferably by giving it to the Circadian Sleepers to have fun experimenting on the evil *****.
This kind of sentiment is why we feel that securing her remains quickly, verifying the identity, and handing her off to the faithful is our highest priority.
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Phyridean
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:04:22 -
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In respect for those Amarr who are worried, I have sent the following message to Chamberlain Haromi:
Quote:Chamberlain Haromi,
I hope this message finds you as well as possible, during this time of great strife for the Amarr empire and its people.
I wanted to alert you to an initiative started by my organization, Hydrostatic, to raise a monetary reward for the return of the Empress's remains to the Amarr empire. While I very much wish to have the Empress interred as befits her station, I would be lying if I said I didn't hope that whoever retrieved her remains, or her remains themselves, can tell us something about the Drifter threat, which I am sure is also an issue of interest to you.
I would seek your guidance on what the Empire would like done, should we come into possession of those remains.
Yours in Faith,
Phyridean, Producer and Director, Hydrostatic |
Amber Falls
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:22:01 -
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This is horrifying.
Within the span of a single conversation, the discord and confusion over your, supposedly, shared goals has become clear. How can I not interrupt my mourning for this?
The net is tightening as we speak. Do you think our people blind?
Her sacred person will be returned, and no harbour, door, or hull will prevent that.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7561
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:25:55 -
[33] - Quote
With all due respect, Falls, you're overstating the situation. Some amount of disagreement in acceptable methods should be expected. The desire of the associated parties is not, however, a source of disagreement.
What's more-- net? Tightening? Are you honestly trying to threaten a group seeking to return the Empress's remains to the Empire?
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Amber Falls
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:35:59 -
[34] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:With all due respect, Falls, you're overstating the situation. Some amount of disagreement in acceptable methods should be expected. The desire of the associated parties is not, however, a source of disagreement.
What's more-- net? Tightening? Are you honestly trying to threaten a group seeking to return the Empress's remains to the Empire?
In something so sacred, no disagreement is acceptable. You would never have dared to dream of attempting such 'scientific' intrusions to her person in life, but now, somehow that's fine to you?
The very thought of trusting your companions fills me with disgust.
The only person who needs to feel threatened right now, Makoto, is the person who thought such sacrilege would go unnoticed. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1370
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:41:55 -
[35] - Quote
Phyridean wrote:Goldfinch, with all due respect in return, I am Ni Kunni and have followed the faith throughout my journeys through Caldari and Gallente space. I want to see the Empress's remains treated with respect as much as you do. If we can successfully find the capsuleer who retrieved her body, I would be happy to directly contact the Sarum family to secure their cooperation. I believe that they, like us, will want her identity verified.
A simple scan of her body and a non-invasive retrieval of her capsuleer implant telemetry data could be vital in countering the Drifter threat, which I believe everyone here, and especially those living in the Empire, will agree is in the Cluster's best interest, but I am willing to concede that point if necessary.
Please excuse the question sir, but I was wondering why insisting on doing that yourselves... and not letting the proper interested do it themselves... ?
Is it a question of trust ? |
Phyridean
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:45:28 -
[36] - Quote
I suppose it would be preferable for the currently anonymous and likely unaffiliated capsuleer to retain control of her remains? I have not seen the Empire post a reward for Her return, and money may well be the only language the capsuleer in question speaks.
It also seems unwise for the Empire to put forth a massive fleet such as might be required to invade unaffiliated capsuleer territories in null security space in order to retrieve those remains at the present time, but I am not well-enough connected with the Imperial Navy to be certain of that. |
Phyridean
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:49:06 -
[37] - Quote
Lyn, I simply believe that capsuleers are in a better position to negotiate with other capsuleers, as we're quite certain the Empress's remains are currently in empyrean hands. I know many of them might be hesitant to work directly with the Empire or CONCORD, given what happened with Dr. Tukoss.
So we'd like to be a neutral third party in returning the Empress to the Empire. I'm personally also hoping to secure permission for these scans, honestly, because the Drifter threat scares me. |
probag Bear
Xiong Offices
84
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:33:46 -
[38] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:You know, however much it'd be fun to have that corpse as a hood ornament on the Serial Peacemaker, and however much I find this obsession with a capsuleer's former meat puppet rather odd, I'll personally throw in a bit of dosh for this venture.
Given that I doubt it'll be of much actual worth, both in terms of scientific and spiritual matters, it won't be much but I'll throw three billion in the pot should Hydrostatic be able to verify that they are indeed being offered the genuine article.
Granted, it's pocket change, but there's too many people being irrationally obsessed with this corpsesicle as it is. Let's hope this'll succeed and people can start moving on to figuring out where the current meat puppet is and what the Empire is doing with it.
Throwing 7bil into the pot to top this off to a nice 10. PM me if this happens, because I'm not on the forums much. |
Ashterothi
Nova Haven
288
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:56:41 -
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probag Bear wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:You know, however much it'd be fun to have that corpse as a hood ornament on the Serial Peacemaker, and however much I find this obsession with a capsuleer's former meat puppet rather odd, I'll personally throw in a bit of dosh for this venture.
Given that I doubt it'll be of much actual worth, both in terms of scientific and spiritual matters, it won't be much but I'll throw three billion in the pot should Hydrostatic be able to verify that they are indeed being offered the genuine article.
Granted, it's pocket change, but there's too many people being irrationally obsessed with this corpsesicle as it is. Let's hope this'll succeed and people can start moving on to figuring out where the current meat puppet is and what the Empire is doing with it. Throwing 7bil into the pot to top this off to a nice 10. PM me if this happens, because I'm not on the forums much.
Just so that everyone is aware, the pot is above 10 billion as it is, but I will add yours to the list of commitments.
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan
Red Alliance
188
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Posted - 2015.08.25 01:13:33 -
[40] - Quote
Please find her body.
And bury it with dignity.
So I was calm.
I will remember you forever.
http://i.imgur.com/vxggfWp.jpg
P.s This is my first job, do not hurt much.
Killing her, you killed me.
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Ascentior
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
202
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 01:29:54 -
[41] - Quote
The Praetoria, and I'm sure any other faithful, share the concerns stated here for the proper treatment of the Her Highness, Empress Jamyl I's remains.
We also believe that anyone with a shred of dignity or concern for the well-being of the cluster, promptly return her remains to the Amarrian authorities without need for reward. Should the person in possession of the Empress' remains have concerns for their safety, they may also contact me and I will arrange for her safe return and ensure the anonymity of the pilot or corporation involved.
If the person currently in possession of the Empress' remains wish to take up the offer stated here for a reward, I would suggest that this coalition allow Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris to oversee any 'scientific' identifying or scanning of the Empress. We would of course suggest that any attempts to identify the Empress or study her remains be left to Amarrian authorities, however should the scientists insist on identifying the Empress themselves before handing her over, we would ensure that no attempts to interfere with Her Majesty were made.
Remember that anyone who currently holds the Empress' body, what you do at this juncture will show the cluster, and God, what type of person you truly are.
Admiral Ascentior,
Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris,
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Jayn
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 02:08:37 -
[42] - Quote
Dont be fooled! These 'researchers' simply wish to have the corpse for their own personal trophy case.
Sell Jamyl's corpse to me for 10 billion and I will place it inside her own personal tomb container with lots of cigarettes, liquor, and counterfeit credits to pay her way into hell.
On special occasions I shall bring her corpse out and do strange things to it. From what I understand, she is a very dirty little girl and needs my guiding hands upon her. I am beginning plans to build a coffin sized microwave so that I can warm her up a bit before those very special occasions. And I will be sure to eject her into space after the fun is over so that she may refreeze and last a lifetime of uplifting excitement. |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
35654
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 02:10:10 -
[43] - Quote
Jayn wrote:Sell Jamyl's corpse to me for 10 billion
Fifteen billion here.
In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
GÖ¬ -¦een -++¦-é w+¦-é a -ôew -ò-+ell-ò, -¦-à-é +¦ don'-é wal-+ w+¦-é a l+¦-+p
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
421
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 02:17:49 -
[44] - Quote
If you want to compete with Entity, you're going to have to dig a little bit deeper than that. |
Vlad Draculesti
Catastrophic Overview Failure
Brave Collective
48
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 02:22:24 -
[45] - Quote
Tho i would very much like an investigation into her corpse.... I have heard rumors from other capsuleer's that the Drifter's first destroyed her ship,then her capsule then her corpse before they escaped.
Look here for a video feed that confirms 3 shots fired from the Drifters. One for the titan, one for the capsule, one for the corpse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZuDpo7m0M
This fit's in with the Drifter's learning behavior. They knew we recovered a previous corpse for examination and attempted to intervene. This time they went out of their way to prevent us from doing so again.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
35656
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 02:31:39 -
[46] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:If you want to compete with Entity, you're going to have to dig a little bit deeper than that.
It's cool, not even my money.
I can try to dig deeper into Boss's pockets, but her suit is pretty tight. Could get a lil awkward.
Who's Entity? Some Empire person?
In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
GÖ¬ -¦een -++¦-é w+¦-é a -ôew -ò-+ell-ò, -¦-à-é +¦ don'-é wal-+ w+¦-é a l+¦-+p
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Tony-Vagabond Carter
Perkone
Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 04:47:25 -
[47] - Quote
You know, from a strictly economic standpoint it never benefits to pay a ransom. Even a ransom on a meat-cicle ( no disrespect intended) is paying more that the actual value of the good. Such an action devalues your chosen token of trade.
Rather than bid on a good that may not even exist, if indeed the Drifters atomized the corpse, it is more valuable to show those that hold the good that doing so incurs a greater cost to them. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1255
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 04:50:53 -
[48] - Quote
Candi LeMew wrote:Who's Entity? Some Empire person?
He's a collector. By and large, if it exists, he probably has one. Including what I believe are the last surviving Armageddon Imperial Edition, Megathron Federate Issue, Raven State Issue, and Tempest Tribal Issue hulls in existence.
Put bluntly, if it comes to a bidding war between Entity and the Amarr Empire.. the Empire may lose.
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Trenmir Bedala
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
36
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 05:18:43 -
[49] - Quote
You really want find body?
Adopt tactic of gate camp and customs... Scan ship at gates. Surprising what findthat way. |
Drake Arson
Redicuously Awesome Winged Reptiles
Arson Industries
24
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Posted - 2015.08.25 07:33:15 -
[50] - Quote
Do you Truly Wish for a Neutral party? Then I am your Pilot.
For a Substantial piece of Wealth, I will take hold of the sadly deceased Empress and return her remains directly too the proper Amarrian Authorities.
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Ashterothi
Nova Haven
288
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 07:34:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ascentior wrote:The Praetoria, and I'm sure any other faithful, share the concerns stated here for the proper treatment of the Her Highness, Empress Jamyl I's remains.
We also believe that anyone with a shred of dignity or concern for the well-being of the cluster, promptly return her remains to the Amarrian authorities without need for reward. Should the person in possession of the Empress' remains have concerns for their safety, they may also contact me and I will arrange for her safe return and ensure the anonymity of the pilot or corporation involved.
If the person currently in possession of the Empress' remains wish to take up the offer stated here for a reward, I would suggest that this coalition allow Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris to oversee any 'scientific' identifying or scanning of the Empress. We would of course suggest that any attempts to identify the Empress or study her remains be left to Amarrian authorities, however should the scientists insist on identifying the Empress themselves before handing her over, we would ensure that no attempts to interfere with Her Majesty were made.
Remember that anyone who currently holds the Empress' body, what you do at this juncture will show the cluster, and God, what type of person you truly are.
Admiral Ascentior,
Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris,
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
I truly appreciate your stance. We are most happy to have PIE representatives overseeing the procedure, I will contact you ASAP in the event that we are contracted the remains. We will use the most respectful ways possible to positively identify the remains (we already have received one false claim), and contract it to Ascentior for proper burial.
What we cannot afford is to allow an entity like SoTC or CONCORD to seize control of the remains. As we learned with the late Tukoss, they do not necessarily have our, or the late Empress', best interests in mind.
Listen to Hydrostatic Podcast for all your Empyrean needs!
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1378
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 08:18:19 -
[52] - Quote
Phyridean wrote:Lyn, I simply believe that capsuleers are in a better position to negotiate with other capsuleers, as we're quite certain the Empress's remains are currently in empyrean hands. I know many of them might be hesitant to work directly with the Empire or CONCORD, given what happened with Dr. Tukoss.
So we'd like to be a neutral third party in returning the Empress to the Empire. I'm personally also hoping to secure permission for these scans, honestly, because the Drifter threat scares me.
Well yes, I understand the reasoning for the corpse acquisition, but for the scan...?
Arrendis wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:Who's Entity? Some Empire person?
He's a collector. By and large, if it exists, he probably has one. Including what I believe are the last surviving Armageddon Imperial Edition, Megathron Federate Issue, Raven State Issue, and Tempest Tribal Issue hulls in existence. Put bluntly, if it comes to a bidding war between Entity and the Amarr Empire.. the Empire may lose.
Respectfully, I do not think you have any real idead of what kind of pocket change capsuleers have in comparison to a stellar high security empire... |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2293
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 08:23:33 -
[53] - Quote
Drake Arson wrote:Do you Truly Wish for a Neutral party? Then I am your Pilot.
For a Substantial piece of Wealth, I will take hold of the sadly deceased Empress and return her remains directly too the proper Amarrian Authorities.
No Sansha loyalist such as you shall ever be allowed to even look upon Her Holiness's remains.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
"Reclaim our Empire"
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Anslo
Scope Works
32096
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 11:19:54 -
[54] - Quote
Show what kind or person you are. Hah. Guilt trip to give the body for free. Dumb. IF the body is scanned and verified I will add to the pit too.
And Lyn. Entity can and will outbid any Empire offer. And honestly I would trust Entity more to make good on his offer. The Empire would probably not pay out once they got the corpse just to spite the "sinner."
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
98
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 11:45:14 -
[55] - Quote
Phyridean wrote:Luna, I understand your concern, and I share your wish that the Empress be treated with respect. I believe the highest respect we can pay her is to figure out more about what it was that killed her, and work to prevent such things from happening in the future to those she sought to protect.
With all due respect, Milord, any investigations, scanning and even confirming that the body would belong to Her, should be performed by the Holy Family of the Emperors and nobody else.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1379
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 13:27:55 -
[56] - Quote
Anslo wrote:
And Lyn. Entity can and will outbid any Empire offer. And honestly I would trust Entity more to make good on his offer. The Empire would probably not pay out once they got the corpse just to spite the "sinner."
Err... I highly doubt that. Trillions or even more, that is a drop in a bucket compared to the net product of any empire I think... Not that they seem to even disclose it but well. That seems evident to me. |
Ashterothi
Nova Haven
289
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 15:31:43 -
[57] - Quote
The primary reason for the scans is because to have this much ISK put forward, I owe it to the investors to ensure that the remains we receive is in not counterfeit.
Again I am deeply sorry for any trouble this causes, but it is still better then the alternatives.
If the current holder of her remains is not motivated by wealth, and is loyal to the faith, I encourage them to hand the remains over to Ascentior. However, given that this has not happened yet, we are still committed to finding the correct enticement to motivate the unknown person.
As for if the body is already lost: Hydrostatic specialized in the forefront of better understanding our universe. This is not the first high reward we have offered for things we feel need to happen for the advancement of all. All oh my information shows that the shots from the recording was the capsule, and not the remains. Bottom line is, if the remains exist, and we believe they do, we are committed to doing whatever we can to see the safe return of her holiness to the faithful.
Listen to Hydrostatic Podcast for all your Empyrean needs!
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1281
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 16:56:53 -
[58] - Quote
Lyn Farel wrote:Respectfully, I do not think you have any real idead of what kind of pocket change capsuleers have in comparison to a stellar high security empire...
Respectfully, empires, highsec or otherwise, usually tend to have the vast majority of their assets in the form of assets - and actual spending is budgeted in advance. The idea of simply coming up with a few trillion liquid? Not something a bureaucracy shakes out quickly. And if it did, that's spending not being put into the military (as the Drifters attack), or infrastructure, or education, or any of the myriad financial needs an Empire has.
Overall assets? Of course the Empire has more.
Ability to quickly produce inconceivable sums of ready cash without utterly crippling ongoing operations? My money's on Entity. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1384
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 18:44:08 -
[59] - Quote
Well you are right in terms of budgets of course...
But we are speaking about hundred of trillions inhabitants. 20 trillions (let's say 10 without the slaves) for the Amarr Empire alone. The amount of money it generates is completely out of order.
No matter what investments and assets there is instead of pure capitals, they will have funds in banks, stored capitals busy making money on regional and international markets. And trillions of isk to my eyes in that context, is pocket change.
Of course, I would be glad to have more numbers on that. I have not witnessed a lot of studies on the matter, which is a shame... |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1291
|
Posted - 2015.08.25 21:42:03 -
[60] - Quote
Lyn Farel wrote:No matter what investments and assets there is instead of pure capitals, they will have funds in banks, stored capitals busy making money on regional and international markets. And trillions of isk to my eyes in that context, is pocket change.
Which are all privately held funds. The Empire could, of course, ask for donations, but to simple seize them and commandeer the assets would be a bit much, don't you think? If you're looking at the actual government having those funds - again, convince a bureaucracy the size of the Empire to shake the tree in a rapid manner.
Doesn't happen.
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2485
|
Posted - 2015.08.26 01:00:20 -
[61] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:The Empire could, of course, ask for donations, but to simple seize them and commandeer the assets would be a bit much, don't you think?
The Lady Tash-Murkon can buy what she likes,
And what she don't like, she don't buy.
No wealth in New Eden can't be said to exist
without the Tash-Murkon behind.
Even Mittens is smitten by her gold diadem,
But it's one that she'd trade for a crown.
For the throne that you'll find at the peak of Amarr
Is a place with no equal is found.
Imperium dreams are a nice reverie
(though a far bit too cruel to be nice),
but the volume of gold that Tash-Murkon can pay,
to the Goonswarm is too steep a price. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1298
|
Posted - 2015.08.26 03:10:37 -
[62] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:
The Lady Tash-Murkon can buy what she likes,
And what she don't like, she don't buy.
No wealth in New Eden can't be said to exist
without the Tash-Murkon behind.
Even Mittens is smitten by her gold diadem,
But it's one that she'd trade for a crown.
For the throne that you'll find at the peak of Amarr
Is a place with no equal is found.
Imperium dreams are a nice reverie
(though a far bit too cruel to be nice),
but the volume of gold that Tash-Murkon can pay,
to the Goonswarm is too steep a price.
Hah! Lovely as always, Doc. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1385
|
Posted - 2015.08.26 07:51:51 -
[63] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:No matter what investments and assets there is instead of pure capitals, they will have funds in banks, stored capitals busy making money on regional and international markets. And trillions of isk to my eyes in that context, is pocket change. Which are all privately held funds. The Empire could, of course, ask for donations, but to simple seize them and commandeer the assets would be a bit much, don't you think? If you're looking at the actual government having those funds - again, convince a bureaucracy the size of the Empire to shake the tree in a rapid manner. Doesn't happen.
I do not think the Empire works that way... |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1313
|
Posted - 2015.08.26 17:54:36 -
[64] - Quote
Don't think it works what way? With a massive bureaucracy? Of course it does. It has to - you simply can't manage tens of thousands of people without 1% of them being employed just in that management.
And it scales... oh, mother, does it scale. The larger your organization, the more and more layers you need, so it balloons up from a relatively small percentage into... well, a monstrous thing that doesn't move at all quickly. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1389
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 08:17:01 -
[65] - Quote
I do not deny employment or unemployment ratios nor your reasoning...
I just think that speaking about donations or seizing assets the way you present it, is trying to equate how the Empire works to democratic systems. And even democratic systems have treasuries, especially if they fare well.
You are also forgetting the sole power of Holders and Royal Houses, central banks, as well as corporations that too, have stored capitals or investments in the market. Especially the Tash-Murkons. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1326
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 08:41:43 -
[66] - Quote
No, I simply think you're vastly overestimating the speed with which entities like that (no pun intended) make liquid assets available for use. Especially when compared to the attention span of the average capsuleer when Entity is potentially waving more money at him than he's ever imagined existing. |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2493
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 15:25:22 -
[67] - Quote
An advantage of the command economy structure is its ability to quickly react to situations as required.
That is what this textbook is telling me at least. I'm not an economist. Or a ... politicianist.
Politicist? Polist? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1339
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 15:33:00 -
[68] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:Politicist? Polist?
Political Scientist, I think?
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
1502
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 15:36:27 -
[69] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:An advantage of the command economy structure is its ability to quickly react to situations as required.
That is what this textbook is telling me at least. I'm not an economist. Or a ... politicianist.
Politicist? Polist?
It seems like for a large entity it would still be like reversing course on a Titan.
Only, you know, slower by orders of magnitude. |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2495
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 15:57:39 -
[70] - Quote
Political scientist! That's it, yes. What a boring word. I was hoping for something more, I don't know. Nugaku, I guess.
Were I Chancellor of Amarr, I would likely send a letter to the Lady Tash-Murkon with a gentle suggestion that recovering the body of the late Empress would be incredibly useful in building support for a bid for the throne. I don't think it would take much more time than for her to call for her Officer of the Treasury, at that point. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1351
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 17:00:17 -
[71] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:Political scientist! That's it, yes. What a boring word. I was hoping for something more, I don't know. Nugaku, I guess.
Well, if you want an exciting word, about about 'Rabble-rouser' or 'bull**** detector'?
Quote:
Were I Chancellor of Amarr
... the cluster would be in far better shape.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1391
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 18:44:16 -
[72] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:No, I simply think you're vastly overestimating the speed with which entities like that (no pun intended) make liquid assets available for use. Especially when compared to the attention span of the average capsuleer when Entity is potentially waving more money at him than he's ever imagined existing.
Oh that... Sure... |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7575
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 19:05:20 -
[73] - Quote
As someone who took way to many political theory courses at the SWA, let me say: political science isn't.
In any case, the bounty stands.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
5
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 20:26:37 -
[74] - Quote
Bounty gonna have to be a lot higher.
Think. It's not just the Amarr that want it.
Drifters might want it. May be they already found it and quietly aced whoever had it. It been a while, no?
Rabbit might want it. Omir certainly wants it. Angels might want it, Serpentis, the Syndicate...hell, Sansha would totally want it, no?
Space Pope Max might want it.
Half a trillion Matari want it.
15 bil ISK? That's chump change. |
Phyridean
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
59
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 20:34:44 -
[75] - Quote
I should point out that the actual bounty is far above 15 billion at this point. We don't want to specify an actual number until someone comes forward, in order to avoid a premature bidding war. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate
Ushra'Khan
591
|
Posted - 2015.08.27 21:33:51 -
[76] - Quote
Rook Moray wrote:Bounty gonna have to be a lot higher.
Think. It's not just the Amarr that want it.
Drifters might want it. May be they already found it and quietly aced whoever had it. It been a while, no?
Rabbit might want it. Omir certainly wants it. Angels might want it, Serpentis, the Syndicate...hell, Sansha would totally want it, no?
Space Pope Max might want it.
Half a trillion Matari want it.
15 bil ISK? That's chump change.
I want it....
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Ferrucio Surge
Solaris Legionnaires
4
|
Posted - 2015.09.11 07:30:38 -
[77] - Quote
I take it there is no news concerning the late empress' body? |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
2040
|
Posted - 2015.09.11 15:25:36 -
[78] - Quote
No news and I doubt you'll ever hear anything about it. The corpse is likely in someone's private collection now where it will remain until it's eventually sold to Entity.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5579
|
Posted - 2015.09.11 15:42:54 -
[79] - Quote
Anabella Rella wrote:No news and I doubt you'll ever hear anything about it. The corpse is likely in someone's private collection now where it will remain until it's eventually sold to Entity.
Equally likely it was caught in a smartbomb volley or was shot by a Loyalist.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1422
|
Posted - 2015.09.11 18:31:22 -
[80] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Equally likely it was caught in a smartbomb volley or was shot by a Loyalist.
The majority of reliable reports say it was scooped, and by an unnamed cynabal pilot. |
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