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Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:14:00 - [1] The following is a short list I came up with on ways to reduce the Jita (over)population. My appoligies if there is another thread on this. 1: Remove Ice Belts 2: Remove Every Agent 3: Change Auto-pilot routing so that you have to choose to go there, not just travel through. 4: Remove Kisogo-Jita Gte 5: Place a docking tax 6: Create an escelating market tax. The move volume, the higher the sales tax and list rates. It seems to me these would be easy and sensible changes.
Zei Xeu	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:16:00 - [2] Fix the node so that it knows that Jita is at 20% capacity and not think it's at 96% capacity.
Sswiftstrike	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:18:00 - [3] I hope they do something that gets me out of 2519# in que for jump in.
phishstik Gallente Hammer Of Light Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:27:00 - [4] 7: Nerf Caldari
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:35:00 - [5] You are missing the point. Jita contains nothing of value. Its importance is cultural. It is a crossroads with EIGHT gates, several of them on important Empire highways to the North, the Border Zone freighter pipe and Domain. Everyone goes to buy stuff there because everyone goes to sell stuff there, and they go to sell stuff there because they know it is a central location easily accessible and equidistant from anywhere in EVE. And the reason is because it has always been this way. Not strictly speaking true, but the average EVE account lasts for 7 months, and a large chunk of the current player base was born with Jita firmly established as The EVE Market. The real solution is to kill a gate to New Caldari or Niyabainen.
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:37:00 - [6] Edited by: Merchantigus on 11/12/2006 22:40:00 stop going to jita? you all flock to jita like bugs to a zapper to save having to make a few jumps to get the same thing in another system and then complain because of the problem you yourself are helping to cause. go somewhere else ffs? i live in placid. i never have to leave placid to find what i'm looking for. if more people left jita and moved to other systems there wouldn't be a 5000 person que. i hope the lags and ques there keep getting worse. eventually if it gets bad enough people will get sick of it and stop causing the problem...corse a few days later they would be right back there and bingo ques again but atleast i could go a few days without seeing one of these threads "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Fink Angel Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:40:00 - [7] It needs a really special staus and total rethink. Something like "place an order in Jita" and it magically is transported to your home (clone?) hangar. Maybe add a timer so it appears "number of jumps to Jita * 3 minutes" or so, to stop instant buy / sells. Just moving things or re-routing highways will just move the problem elsewhere. A trade hub will always appear. Some real lateral thinking needs to happen to stop people having to all go there.
Yamane Suoko	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:42:00 - [8] Seems to have been fixed... Was in queue for 2 hours, just got disconnected and was able to login to Jita no problem.
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Merchantigus Edited by: Merchantigus on 11/12/2006 22:40:00 stop going to jita? you all flock to jita like bugs to a zapper to save having to make a few jumps to get the same thing in another system and then complain because of the problem you yourself are helping to cause. go somewhere else ffs? i live in placid. i never have to leave placid to find what i'm looking for. if more people left jita and moved to other systems there wouldn't be a 5000 person que. i hope the lags and ques there keep getting worse. eventually if it gets bad enough people will get sick of it and stop causing the problem...corse a few days later they would be right back there and bingo ques again but atleast i could go a few days without seeing one of these threads Well, if you dont buy or sell stuff there, you dont travel though there, then why you care. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Lord Draco The following is a short list I came up with on ways to reduce the Jita (over)population. My appoligies if there is another thread on this. 1: Remove Ice Belts 2: Remove Every Agent 3: Change Auto-pilot routing so that you have to choose to go there, not just travel through. 4: Remove Kisogo-Jita Gte 5: Place a docking tax 6: Create an escelating market tax. The move volume, the higher the sales tax and list rates. It seems to me these would be easy and sensible changes. 1. The Ice belts left along time ago. 2. The good agents got move out along time ago. * see were I am going with this ** 3. There is in many cases no other realistic way around 4. Why? 5. Why? Are you just against player created trade hubs? 6. Why once again. 1 and 2 have not applied for quit some time. All that is really needed is to have a bypass location in deap space, no star even... just a set of gates that mirror Jita to let players bypass Jita. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:50:00 - [11] Edited by: Merchantigus on 11/12/2006 22:53:38 Edited by: Merchantigus on 11/12/2006 22:53:04 Originally by: Miri Tirzan Originally by: Merchantigus Edited by: Merchantigus on 11/12/2006 22:40:00 stop going to jita? you all flock to jita like bugs to a zapper to save having to make a few jumps to get the same thing in another system and then complain because of the problem you yourself are helping to cause. go somewhere else ffs? i live in placid. i never have to leave placid to find what i'm looking for. if more people left jita and moved to other systems there wouldn't be a 5000 person que. i hope the lags and ques there keep getting worse. eventually if it gets bad enough people will get sick of it and stop causing the problem...corse a few days later they would be right back there and bingo ques again but atleast i could go a few days without seeing one of these threads Well, if you dont buy or sell stuff there, you dont travel though there, then why you care. Because the one thing i've learned is that if enough people have a bad idea and whine loud enough sometimes they will get what they want. this is always a bad thing. "but atleast i could go a few days without seeing one of these threads" also i make the mistake of reading the forums and every other post is just this vomit all over again. see your cig? that's why :) i know it's a joke but it's also true :/ edit nice titan kill btw XD "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 01:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Miri Tirzan Originally by: Lord Draco The following is a short list I came up with on ways to reduce the Jita (over)population. My appoligies if there is another thread on this. 1: Remove Ice Belts 2: Remove Every Agent 3: Change Auto-pilot routing so that you have to choose to go there, not just travel through. 4: Remove Kisogo-Jita Gte 5: Place a docking tax 6: Create an escelating market tax. The move volume, the higher the sales tax and list rates. It seems to me these would be easy and sensible changes. 1. The Ice belts left along time ago. 2. The good agents got move out along time ago. * see were I am going with this ** 3. There is in many cases no other realistic way around 4. Why? 5. Why? Are you just against player created trade hubs? 6. Why once again. 1 and 2 have not applied for quit some time. All that is really needed is to have a bypass location in deap space, no star even... just a set of gates that mirror Jita to let players bypass Jita. My responce: 1: 2: why have any there at all? I can a lot of them running missions on scan. They have no need to be there if there agents are gone. All that data that is going to run the deadsace complexes is a waste. 3: Ha, move the routes so that IT DOESN require you to go through. Jita connects to the Lonetrek, that is completly unecesssarey. 4: Because Kisogo also has a huge population that cross-mingles in Jita. Kisogo is by far the biggest starter system and thus gets a lot of uneccessary traffic. 5: I'm against getting lagged or stuck there. Why shouldn't there be more regional market instead of one place that everyone (or almost) has to go to shop. The simple fact is that technology is limiting the ammount of players a node can have, isn't it? What is going to happen if nothign changes and eve reaches 50K or even 100K concurrent users? I have nothing against player trading hubs in theory. I do have a problem with the Jita grid lock. If sellers and buyers had to pay more tax because of use (think of tollways) hopefully they would consier relocating to spread out. 6: see my #5 answer Simply sticking our collective heads in the sand isn't going to solve anything. Furthermore, what is going to stop this situation for only getting worse over time?
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.12 01:13:00 - [13] I've changed my sig to something that might help the Jita problem.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.12 01:21:00 - [14] CCP change their midn regarding the ice belts in jita being removed. Why are they still there despite a earlier annoucmenet These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Nachshon Caldari Tyrfing Securities	Posted - 2006.12.12 01:31:00 - [15] Someone suggested allowing players to use Interbus and other NPC shipping corporations to ship their stuff around. Players could use their skills to remotely buy stuff in Jita, and then have it delivered to wherever they want. This would cost a little more, but it could be worth it. For a real-world analogy, you pay UPS to deliver stuff you buy online instead of picking it up yourself. Of course, Interbus ships would have to actually exist. They would be NPC drones that fly around on their routes. Kill a cargo ship, and you get the cargo. That said, doing that drops your Interbus faction (along with the faction of whose cargo you stole) pretty fast, and Interbus doesn't do work for those who attack it. Players could even get jobs escorting these ships. The possibilities are endless!
Tortuga Reborn ShavenPoodles	Posted - 2006.12.12 01:32:00 - [16] what about trying to construct some sort of computersystem underneath that can hold 1/4 of the player base in the same system without crashing, i know its insanly difficuly, but think of the war we could have!
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.12 01:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Admai Sket I've changed my sig to something that might help the Jita problem. I've stolen his sig for the same reason

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