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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:17:19 -
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After running our checks to see whether pilots have been flying for multiple teams, we have identified one person that has flown for several teams. Under the rules for Alliance Tournament XIII, GÇ£As a player, you may only compete for a single alliance, regardless of how many player-accounts you own.GÇ¥
As a result of breaching this rule, the pilot in question has been disqualified from Alliance Tournament XIII, and may no longer participate on either team with any characters they have access to. Subsequent breaches of this rule by this player will result in a permanent ban from the tournament.
In this instance we have not found evidence that either team has sanctioned this action, nor evidence that this is a widespread practice by either team. Additionally, teams do not have access to information that allows them to check whether a player controlling a particular character also has characters in another competing team. As such, we have not decided to take action against either team.
The characters in question and the teams they are participating on:
Joran Jackson GÇô Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork Kip Redrum GÇô Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Aladar Dangerface
13. Enigma Project
223
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:30:47 -
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Busted lol
I don't need twitter.
I'm already following you.
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Aebe Amraen
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
174
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:47:02 -
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Our sincere thanks for outing this spy. He will be summarily executed.
Regards, Test Intelligence Agency |
Dante Tsaronis
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:12:18 -
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Normally I highly disagree with CCP helping to reveal spies, but under the circumstances...
Thank you very much, Logibro. |
Bei ArtJay
Questionable Circles Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
109
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:22:17 -
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As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.
It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
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AgentHawk
The Exit Plan Test Alliance Please Ignore
183
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:32:44 -
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Bei ArtJay wrote:As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.
It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
yea he never told me about any alts anywhere else
that aside this is an alliance lvl rule, no anchor alts or playing both sides etc hes been hell purged from TEST services and in game already
your integrity has been severely blemished on a personal lvl with me and on the greater since you ran those small tournaments and such - with the help of CCP even
i will hence forth be removing you from my skype favorites list! good day sir! |
Dante Tsaronis
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:38:46 -
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Bei ArtJay wrote:He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer.
That is a shame. We might've been okay with it if he had let his CEO, auth group admins, and AT captains know of his intentions; sadly, he was not as forthright with us as he was with you, and he has been permanently blacklisted from our alliance.
Bei ArtJay wrote: TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
He did seem to value his time here, but we were not aware he had any other loyalties. Obviously, given what I said above, he did not pass us intel about Footwork. Also all of our practices are public and advertised on eve-o; we have had a lot of successful scrimmages with other teams, but a few will just show up in covops and watch without participating. Oh, well.
Thanks to all of our practice partners, and we'll likely be organizing the same sort of open matches on SiSi this coming year, given the relative success. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
402
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:41:36 -
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RIP
Bei ArtJay wrote:He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
Haha nice try |
Bei ArtJay
Questionable Circles Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
113
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:49:54 -
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AgentHawk wrote:Bei ArtJay wrote:As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.
It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
yea he never told me about any alts anywhere else that aside this is an alliance lvl rule, no anchor alts or playing both sides etc hes been hell purged from TEST services and in game already your integrity has been severely blemished on a personal lvl with me and on the greater since you ran those small tournaments and such - with the help of CCP even i will hence forth be removing you from my skype favorites list! good day sir!
Meh fair enough. Explains why I can't mail you from eve-gate then if you have blocked me.
Was innocent ignorance on my part and I didn't get any benefit from it at all, I presume he kept his main's identity secret in order to play with you guys without breaking an alliance rule rather than for any malicious purpose - he has told me stories of how much fun he has in TEST and never gave me intel about what you guys get up to so it's your loss tbh. I feel bad for him and hope you can make an exception for him if he does want to re-join TEST in whatever capacity you would have him back.
To clarify - I'm a big tourney nerd and would never intentionally break a rule (of course I have only my word to back this up) in order to try and gain an advantage. The thought of getting banned from tourney play terrifies me! I keep the activities of my main on TQ very separate form my EVE_NT collides project in which I hold no other motives or loyalties to any particular group (including my own alliance) and pour dozens of man hours a month into it purely to generate more tourney content for the eve player-base and I really enjoyed working with you for Collides so it saddens me you think this has ruined my integrity.
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Bei ArtJay
Questionable Circles Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:52:55 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:RIP Bei ArtJay wrote:He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
Haha nice try
Straight up, he didn't offer intel and i didn't ask for it. The condition for me being happy for him to split his time on both was that if we faced each-other he sat it out and didn't even join comms or communicate your intentions to me. He has been a loyal member of his corp which joined KICK a while ago for ages and is trusted by everyone so it was decided he could be trusted not to leak our setups to you. |
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AgentHawk
The Exit Plan Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:00:40 -
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Bei ArtJay wrote:AgentHawk wrote:Bei ArtJay wrote:As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.
It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
yea he never told me about any alts anywhere else that aside this is an alliance lvl rule, no anchor alts or playing both sides etc hes been hell purged from TEST services and in game already your integrity has been severely blemished on a personal lvl with me and on the greater since you ran those small tournaments and such - with the help of CCP even i will hence forth be removing you from my skype favorites list! good day sir! Meh fair enough. Explains why I can't mail you from eve-gate then if you have blocked me.
i dont have you blocked anywhere, i might have block unk characters from contacting me though because lol convo spams during a match is a thing
also it shouldnt sadden you, because this rule seems almost obvious and paramount to any tournament, eve or not, that its inclusion in a rule list is perfunctory....and also this being eve, there is some measure of doubt in your word...you at least realize this, how can we believe you that there was no intel passed eh? TEST being TEST, we expect spies v0v |
Bei ArtJay
Questionable Circles Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:11:13 -
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AgentHawk wrote:Bei ArtJay wrote:AgentHawk wrote:Bei ArtJay wrote:As Footwork team captain I am an idiot and did not realize this was even a rule, even if is there in black and white for all to see. He was straight up with me that he had an alt in TEST on the tourney team as he is a different timezone from the majority of our players and wanted some content outside what we offer. I said that was fine as long as he didn't fly if we faced each other.
It's a damn fair ruling so I can't argue with it. TEST - for the record he didn't pass me any Intel about what TEST were getting up to beyond discussing a little of what we had already observed with other agents. He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
yea he never told me about any alts anywhere else that aside this is an alliance lvl rule, no anchor alts or playing both sides etc hes been hell purged from TEST services and in game already your integrity has been severely blemished on a personal lvl with me and on the greater since you ran those small tournaments and such - with the help of CCP even i will hence forth be removing you from my skype favorites list! good day sir! Meh fair enough. Explains why I can't mail you from eve-gate then if you have blocked me. i dont have you blocked anywhere, i might have block unk characters from contacting me though because lol convo spams during a match is a thing also it shouldnt sadden you, because this rule seems almost obvious and paramount to any tournament, eve or not, that its inclusion in a rule list is perfunctory....and also this being eve, there is some measure of doubt in your word...you at least realize this, how can we believe you that there was no intel passed eh? TEST being TEST, we expect spies v0v
Just EVE gate being **** then.
Yup absolutely agree with you that there is no way for me to verify my claim that this was not an intentional move to undermine TEST. In retrospect it should have been a red flag to me that it would get him in trouble, I just wasn't in that frame of mind he brought it to me, I was happy that he wouldn't betray us so didn't think of it as something in a negative context that could be damaging to either side other than potentially losing 1 pilot if we faced which other which I figured both teams had the manpower for that not to be an issue. Never crossed my mind to check it as a rule violation, that's my bad, if its ****** up whatever credibility I did have, its a mistake I'll have to live with. Derpy derp derp instant regret. **** happens. |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:19:18 -
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Cool, now enforce the collusion and A+B team rules. |
Intana Kreis
The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:30:20 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Bei ArtJay wrote:He never gave me insight into what meta you were flying or training times or anything of that sort and kept his identities separate as I believe he is quite fond of playing on his alt and probably feels more at home with you than us for the most part.
Haha nice try
Free to believe what you want, but a spy would just fail to fly at the last minute for :reasons:. |
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2015.08.26 17:56:19 -
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Holy **** I hop on reddit and I am one of the top stories. **** is surreal.
There was no malicious intent from my point at all as far as breaking tourney rules. I apologize to CCP and to the wider Eve Tournament community. Without a doubt I should have been certain on the rules, but I did discuss it with KICK captain Bei and was under the impression I could fly as long as it was against each other. I promise it won't happen again, CCP, thanks for not banhammering me. If I wanted to keep it from CCP I would not have the same email and payment information on all my accounts. I hope that is enough reason for CCP to believe this was an innocent mistake and not malicious. I imagine it didn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out it was 1 person with multiple accounts.
This is my first year in the tournament and I loved every second, on both teams. Test bros I seriously love your alliance and I did make real friends there. I am a USTZ guy in an EU alliance, so I was just having fun where I could. I don't mind a burned alt. Hopefully there's no hard feelings, but it's Eve, so if there is, I get it. GL Saturday.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:05:12 -
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Can you find our spies for us too? |
Callduron
Kite Co. Space Trucking Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:10:36 -
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As Brave captain I'd just like to state for the record that I don't feel this had any effect on the result of our match with Footwork.
I write http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/
I post on reddit as /u/callduron.
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Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:13:58 -
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Shamis Orzoz wrote:Can you find our spies for us too?
Gorski's main is in Nulli.
Callduron wrote:As Brave captain I'd just like to state for the record that I don't feel this had any effect on the result of our match with Footwork.
ok thank you |
phlatch
The Exit Plan Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:30:35 -
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explains your sweet nose dive in the first match until samatra caught you @ 120.
Also inject some damn gallente skills |
WASPY69
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
410
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:55:56 -
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Hahaha
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AgentHawk
The Exit Plan Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:59:44 -
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phlatch wrote:explains your sweet nose dive in the first match until samatra caught you @ 120.
Also inject some damn gallente skills
shhiiiiiiiittttt |
Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.27 00:55:52 -
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Tried to fly too close to the sun.
I wonder how many other people know that Dreddit is recruiting? |
Krops Vont
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
90
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Posted - 2015.08.27 04:50:36 -
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"got eem"
--==Services==--
Propaganda/Art/Media
Wormhole Finding & Selling
o/ Play for fun
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.27 05:00:18 -
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AgentHawk wrote:
i will hence forth be removing you from my skype favorites list! good day sir!
Typical TEST, always taking things one step too far. |
Kast Agnet
The Nexus 7's
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Posted - 2015.08.27 10:01:26 -
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Arronicus wrote: Typical TEST, always taking things one step too far.
Typical Arronicus with sarcasm trained to level one.
Bei is a good chap even when he's not being a good chap. If he says it was an oversight then that's what it was. From personal experience of flying with him, in his fleets and just talking to him he lives and breathes pvp and fighting when he is playing eve and would never jeopardise that with a knowing rule break.
It won't happen again, mistakes were made and it's not like he forgot to pay a sov bill and an entire supercap fleet was destroyed because mistakes like that never happen right?
GL to all remaining, it's been fun watching all of you. |
Jonathan Xavier
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2015.08.27 19:37:56 -
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Bei ArtJay: https://youtu.be/JJ3dk6KAvQM?t=277 |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2015.08.30 07:13:42 -
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Really? You thought it might be OK to play for two teams and didn't see any sort of conflict of interest there?
Either you're incredibly ignorant as to the ways of the world, or you think everyone else is and they'll buy this story.
The derp is strong with this one.
I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
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Amber Starview
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.16 09:56:54 -
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i didn't watch AT this year because of suspicions of similar/worse tactics from others ...
Thx to you and others for ruining the AT you are neither the first or last but you are a cheater but apparently a nice guy so that's ok then
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Kast Agnet
The Nexus 7's Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2015.09.16 11:01:58 -
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Amber Starview wrote:i didn't watch AT this year because of suspicions of similar/worse tactics from others ...
Thx to you and others for ruining the AT you are neither the first or last but you are a cheater but apparently a nice guy so that's ok then
Wait let me get this straight .... You don't watch the AT You don't care about the AT because a premonition told you bad people may take part in it. You don't qualify for the AT yourself and wouldn't want to because bad people above. You don't like bad people.
I guess the only questions are, do you play Eve Online and how's it going with all those good people out there you limit yourself to? And why are you bothering to post in a thread you have no interest in? |
Amber Starview
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.16 11:50:15 -
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wait let me get you straight ...=ƒÿå
1 .i am not allowed a opinion because I didn't watch it live ???? (I seen replays) 2 . Never said I didn't care or I wouldnt be here 3 . Wth ????
If you can't see the difference between A official tournament with rules .....and logging on to eve online I'll give u a clue it's called rules .
Although I don't want to focus on this guy as I'm not bashing him he is just one of many ,he was kicked out by ccp though so I'm just stating a opinion that I'm well entitled to do on a forum about a game I love and want to grow |
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