In terms of roleplay, this is the equal of asking the NPCs. While we can test using remote reps on the Amarr, (concept brought up by another person in another thread) I was wondering about stuff like remote tracking links, cap transfers, all that stuff.

Essentially this is stuff that will be extremely difficult to know if it is having an actual game mechanics effect. Unlike Ewar which we would never know since it is the enemy, we can ask our allies.

Is there any feedback available on the secondary forms of support? Are the Amarr Navy NPCs affected in any way by remote support links or capacitor with the new AI? Will remote Sebu, remote tracking link help with their range/lock times?

In addition, I assume the answer is yes, but if Drifters are vulnerable to certain ewar/painters/etc. To use the painter as an example, with the amarr navy be benefiting from the increased sig as well?

Question seconded. Any info on this that can be released or confirmed/denied would be great.

Question seconded. Any info on this that can be released or confirmed/denied would be great.

Usually this kind of game mechanics are kept secret and muse be found through trial and error.

Try testing on SISI if you don't want to risk TQ assets.

The question was already raised in the lore panel and the CCP response was essentially, "find it out yourselves" The best people to ask if this would have any effect are the people who search the database, they may have spotted something that could clue us in.. But as stated it would be best to test on SiSi, as all items cost 100 isk there.

Which is a TERRIBLE response by CCP.
Knowing is basic application of a module actually works on an NPC should not be a matter of trial and error.

Of course with their NPC code and how their NPC's cheat in a massive number of ways, it's a 'who knows' matter. But they shouldn't be deliberately leaving us in the dark.

The 'find out yourselves' should be to do with what the most effective application is. Not if it works at all.

Considering how horrifyingly destructive the Drifters are supposedly going to be, we have to explore every avenue, every possibly effective method.

We also have to ask the people bothering to test the incursions in SiSi, because they know a lot more about the possible tactics necessary to actually succeed in fighting them.

I've been looking for resources about this information, but so far there has been very little new information to work with, and either the testers are being awfully silent about it OR I'm just not looking in the right places.

None of which is remotely relevant to the Devs giving an answer on a basic game mechanic.

If they're adamant about not telling us what works and what doesn't, it's up to the player base to find that information.

If they're adamant about not telling us what works and what doesn't, it's up to the player base to find that information.

Which still doesn't make it remotely acceptable for them to not tell us basic mechanics.

I agree for a few reasons.

1. Defense of the throne worlds/Help the Amarr Empire. This right here opens up the DEV to the responsibility to tell us if this tactic helps or not. If they want us to get into this ,then I consider this information as a need to know basis. Not some cheap slap in the face answer of find out for your self.

2. Players are going to lose ships regardless of the size of the fleets or what ships are flown. We had ECM as a example and the DEV team took that away. Every time player adapted to avoid losing a ship they simply changed some numbers. The role players see this as drifters adapting to our tactics fine be that as it may. However give players the options to find out through that role as to what works and what don't. Not trial and error through isk disappearing from our wallets cause they simply wont answer a basic game mechanic question.

3. We pay their RL salaries. Yup its as simple as that. We are not asking for some super secret way to kill or cheat. We simply have no way to send the Amar navy a message and ask....... " Hey I'm trying to rep your Armor and aid you in your fight is it having any effect?" Nope no option. Its hey find out for your self and if you lose a few extra ships on top of the ones you are going to already lose regardless of whatever you players bring no big deal.

Nah this garbage wont fly with me. Yes or no ? or you The DEV wont see me any where near a drifter incursion much less buy into role playing if you the DEV wont give us the tools or the info we need to role play. Because I can also answer back with My RL wallet.

I'd say that's a fair point. But what do you mean about ECM? Is there more information about this somewhere! Is ECM completely ineffective? And what does this mean for Ewar in general?

ECM used to break the AI script. Rather than fix the AI script they gave drifters 500 sensor strength.
Damps are also useless due to their insane targeting range.
Neuts don't work on NPC's properly.
Tracking Disruptor's 'might' have some effect on NPC's.

But basically NPC's are generally immune to most Ewar because of legacy code issues.

However we are asking about buffs on friendly NPC's, which I suspect come under the same legacy code issues.
Where NPC's don't actually do things like we do, but simply have faked timers and the like.

Did you try boosting tracking of NPC's while you're being shot by NPC's? Did the damage increase? Why is CCP needed here?

So what. You still sound like a whiny, insolent brat. Shut up already and play the game. Figure some things out for yourself instead of throwing a temper tantrum. Good grief.