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Portios Smith Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:43:00 - [1] Mission runners are an EVE problem, I am not talking about your average EVE player that runs some missions form time to time when he is bored of his regular activities. I am talking about the zombie type players who do nothing but missions every minute they spend in EVE. It is obvious EVE wants these players, they do not fit the EVE model but hey, they help pay the bills so letÆs find a way to squeeze them in. There are some basic issues raised by the presence of this mission bots. They donÆt want to interact with the rest of EVE, to them the mission is EVE and everything else is useless clutter that needs to be removed. They do not wish to add nothing to the game of EVE. LetÆs face it, in EVE players are the main content; these hardcore mission runners however just want to be left alone and they do not wish to have to think how to survive in EVE, EVE should protect them. On the other hand we have the players that EVE was made for, the sandbox builders, these players forge alliances, form empires, pirate the trade lanes, have massive wars and kill titans, get rich trading, etcà They have no use for dedicated mission runners lagging up their game but since they pay the same amount of $ per month getting rid of them is out of the question. There are a lot of discussions about making missions inaccessible to any one but the missioner, many more about moving all lv4 missions to low sec, there are many heated arguments about how easy it is to gank mission runners with the new scan system. I think the whole idea of having NPCs, structures, and asteroids just for the mission runners is wrong, they should be sent to specific areas of space that already exist to kill specific NPCs that always exist and re spawn on a regular basis. IMHO This whole concept of dead space goes against all the propaganda CCP has been pushing all this time of a non instanced persistent universe. This game is a few dedicated mission runnersÆ whines away from turning into just another instanced questing cookie cutter MMORPG. Oh... I know! why donÆt you make them kill 20 Angel Smashers and 10 Angel Crushers? Or may be you could make them have to fetch lets say 30 (insert item here) that drops from (insert common belt NPC here). You know something along those lines I think rigging and salvaging along with exploration are huge steps in the right direction, making players interact with the environment in a way that exposes them to interact with other players; whether these interactions are good or bad, well half the fun is in finding that out. Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Adoro adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:46:00 - [2] Started reading stopped at the beginning We all play for our own reasons, let them do missions as much as they like. I cant imagine not any player sees another world out there...if those mission runners sell fancy stuff they load in missions they interact with the eve world. We pvpers get happy with the faction stuff for our fancy ship and they get happy by selling it...thus making em do more missions. Leave em alone you big bully -------- Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life The LV way
Nicole Tesla	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:48:00 - [3] Edited by: Nicole Tesla on 12/12/2006 22:49:24 What if I am a mission runner, who is learning skills to be more than a bait in PvP ? What if I am running missions to fund my ships, so that I will not fly a cruiser into low sec and get laughed at, while I explode ? Who are you to tell me, that my style of playing is not the way, EVE was meant to be played, when I am not asking for a babysitter, but use the current game mechanics to make my way ? I do not care, how you play the game, so do not tell me, how I am supposed to play it. Andrea Tesla (sorry for alt posting)
nutbar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:49:00 - [4] Someone must live a very sheltered life of grandeur! Just because some people play the game a different way than you do, doesn't mean they're not playing it right. Missions exist, thus they can be played. Nobody has to get in to PVP. If that was the purpose, then why did CCP create PVE? People don't have to do anything. They don't have to join a "real" corp, they don't have to fight in pvp, they don't have to mine, they don't have to run missions... You're just ****y because you're busy trying to pop people in jita and the mission runners around there are lagging you and you miss out on kills - right? :P
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:55:00 - [5] scan probing is having a slight nerf and i agree but we should still be able to find within a x timeframe high sec mission runenrs and interact with them i like interacting with mission runners either gets me loot or a new buddy or a i quit button but either way its about itneraction These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Falcione Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:58:00 - [6] I don't agree that missions should be removed or anything, but I think the idea of missions taking place in real space as opposed to deadspaces does make a measure of sense. Of course, it brings up a lot of other issues too. But (ofcourse) this is something that would require a lot of thought.
Merdaneth	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:04:00 - [7] Stereotyping ftl! In any case, you seem to be very concerned about the sandbox model, but you don't seem to understand the true meaning of a sandbox. If some people like to build sandcastles on their own, a true sandbox believer would just let them. You know RL is a sandbox too, and you are probably the one knocking on the door of everyone in your neighbourhood, telling them that just sitting inside their own homes with their own private passtimes, practically inaccesible for other people, goes against the concept of non-instanced lives.
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:18:00 - [8] Quote: They have no use for dedicated mission runners lagging up their game but since they pay the same amount of $ per month getting rid of them is out of the question. We have no use for huge war blobs lagging up our game but since they pay the same amount of $ per month getting rid of them is out of the question. See where I'm heading? Sandbox indeed.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Portios Smith players who do nothing but missions every minute they spend in EVE. This is the great thing for me you see, i pretty much do spend every minute in eve now running missions. This is great because i can pick up and play when i wish. My playtime is limited by my social life and circumstances. An awfull lot and ever increasing number of corps and alliances (those that generate the game you speak of) will not accept that into there ranks... i were to list a recruitment post applying to join organisation playing the proper game which you speak of.. it would read something like this: Weekdays.... expect hit and miss (work odd hours) weeks im busy i might not be online at all.. times im not.. ill probaly be so tired ill be station afk anyway (been doing this for 3 years now:) wed/fri/saturday night... you won't see me at all 99% of the time... those are outnights with my friends. I play saturday days though through till teatime ish (but nearly allways with a hangover for most of the day.. so ts no no) Sunday, only real day i can give you all day.. that being half the time after downtime till late 11'ish sunday night. Thing is you can't realy blame corps and aliances that wouldn't accept what i can offer, the games structure is time intensive requiring long and consistant amounts of active hours in the game... which i and many others simpley cannot offer. Thats pretty much why im stuck with missions as the primary type, not that i realy have an interest in joining up an alliance again anyway even if my life permitted the time to commit... (i assure you though, thats got nothing to do with being anti social, or lacking any vision.. i have plenty of both) Faction warfare looks like it could be interesting, also salvage floats my boat a little too, so maybe there's a little joy and variety to spice things up a little atleast ______
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Portios Smith joke I laugh of this as I assume it is in jest. If not, I pity you. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Nukeitall Nukeitall Coterie	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:52:00 - [11] I agree with OP, let's round up the hardcore mission runners and put them into restricted zones. Then after that we start shuffling them around into new camplike areas. Then we can dispose of them for good. That seems like a good solution. Seriously, OP should have his head caved in with a pipe. --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly.
000Hunter000 Gallente The Lookers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:59:00 - [12] OMGZORZZ!!!111ONE!!! My playingstyle is soo much better then all your playingstyles, so it must be superior to everybody else, u should all play like i do... Yes, i was beeing sarcastic, please stop forcing your personal playingstyle on all other people, contrary what some people would like to make us all believe EVE IS NOT A PVP ONLY GAME! nor a missionrunning game, nor a mininggame, nor a building game, just play how u like and not how other people like u to play. I just did another vengeance L4 so i must be satan cuz i lag out all those poor 0.0 goers Resized tag... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp :p http://www.herne.nl/lookers.jpg Your sig is too big! It must be 24000 bytes or less. - Dentai
Desiderious Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:14:00 - [13] Edited by: Desiderious on 13/12/2006 00:17:53 IF all poeple want to do is mission, let them. Isnt the thing about eve is that you can be whatever you want? Well what about the poeple who only want to mission? Just because you might not like it doesnt make their playstyle any less valid. If poeple had a mind to they could paint mining, pvp, manufacturing, and politics of eve ALL under this kind of rant. Now with scan probes you can track them down if you want. I think thats a fair balance. Anything else would simply be bad in my opinion. ----------------------------- Oink ^OO^
Niccolado Starwalker	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Portios Smith Mission runners are an EVE problem, I am not talking about your average EVE player that runs some missions form time to time when he is bored of his regular activities. I am talking about the zombie type players who do nothing but missions every minute they spend in EVE. It is obvious EVE wants these players, they do not fit the EVE model but hey, they help pay the bills so letÆs find a way to squeeze them in. There are some basic issues raised by the presence of this mission bots. They donÆt want to interact with the rest of EVE, to them the mission is EVE and everything else is useless clutter that needs to be removed. They do not wish to add nothing to the game of EVE. LetÆs face it, in EVE players are the main content; these hardcore mission runners however just want to be left alone and they do not wish to have to think how to survive in EVE, EVE should protect them. On the other hand we have the players that EVE was made for, the sandbox builders, these players forge alliances, form empires, pirate the trade lanes, have massive wars and kill titans, get rich trading, etcà They have no use for dedicated mission runners lagging up their game but since they pay the same amount of $ per month getting rid of them is out of the question. There are a lot of discussions about making missions inaccessible to any one but the missioner, many more about moving all lv4 missions to low sec, there are many heated arguments about how easy it is to gank mission runners with the new scan system. I think the whole idea of having NPCs, structures, and asteroids just for the mission runners is wrong, they should be sent to specific areas of space that already exist to kill specific NPCs that always exist and re spawn on a regular basis. IMHO This whole concept of dead space goes against all the propaganda CCP has been pushing all this time of a non instanced persistent universe. This game is a few dedicated mission runnersÆ whines away from turning into just another instanced questing cookie cutter MMORPG. Oh... I know! why donÆt you make them kill 20 Angel Smashers and 10 Angel Crushers? Or may be you could make them have to fetch lets say 30 (insert item here) that drops from (insert common belt NPC here). You know something along those lines I think rigging and salvaging along with exploration are huge steps in the right direction, making players interact with the environment in a way that exposes them to interact with other players; whether these interactions are good or bad, well half the fun is in finding that out. Its really people like you who are the problem, coming here telling people what to do. Most people really are more then capable of planning and playing their own game the way they want it. Besides, if a featutre where not intended to be integrated into the game, why should CCP bother to develop 4 levels of agent missions, now working on the 5th! If I where you I would log out from the forum and go and hide in the deepest darkest cellar I would find, because lately there have been more then enough crap cropping up! EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Jaguar Dragon Blood Association of Dragons	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:25:00 - [15] Bottom line. NO EMPIRE.. NO 0.0 PVPING.. NO EVE 0.0 Exsists because of all the empire paying customers ccp has. thats roughtly 80% of all of eve.. you pvp'ers should be happy to have empire paying ccp's bills and making them profit, cuz without empire players there is no eve. simple as that. keep screwing empire and these players will leave eve. there is no reason why eve can't have everyone doing what they want.. i suggest you petition ccp to make the ENTIRE MAP RED. cuz thats what you realy want, all so you can get kills and nothing but kills. pvp gets boring as does everything else. if you didn't make such remarks about empire players all the time and instead made friends you just might have more in 0.0..
CaptianBlack Minmatar Labtec.inc	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:32:00 - [16] FLAME ON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/capblak.htm
Feng Schui Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:37:00 - [17] /sigh... some people shouldn't have been introduced into the gene pool IMO. Want to stop mission runners? Ok.. no more agents.. at all. Here's what would happen: 1) Market would collapse. I would say, that most of everything that is on the market (named-item wise), is from people that run missions. That is why this stuff is "cheapish", people that run missions get this stuff all of the time, and they want to sell it quickly as possible, thus, keeping the market in check. EX: Arbalest Heavy Missle Launcher, currently averaging at 8 million isk. No more missions? You'd see this item jump up to around 100-200 million isk (only way to get it would to be to go to 0.0) So you want to kill off mission runners? Fine, lets see you either 1) PVP in all basic T1 crap, or needing to get T2 crap. This turns the game into the "Have's and Have Nots". 2) Cash income: Get rid of agents, fine.. lets see you get the ISK needed to start a corp on your own, or build a good amount of low end ships to use while you search for a corp. 3) Implants: Yes.. I'm sure there are a whole lot of implants that drop from the asteroid belts. /sigh... In regards to the RMS chat, in efforts to look cool and hip, people using the 1337 speak look like ignorant morons from WoW.
Portios Smith Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:43:00 - [18] Hmmm... do you people even read before you reply? Did I say I live in 0.0? Did I ask for the whole map to be turned red? Did I say I wanted to gank any one? Did I told any one how to play? NO! so quit making stuff up. The only real point of my post was that I disagree with space that is specifically created for one player and locked from the rest of EVE. Like the instances of other games. Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Falcione Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Portios Smith Hmmm... do you people even read before you reply? Did I say I live in 0.0? Did I ask for the whole map to be turned red? Did I say I wanted to gank any one? Did I told any one how to play? NO! so quit making stuff up. The only real point of my post was that I disagree with space that is specifically created for one player and locked from the rest of EVE. Like the instances of other games. So what we hear you saying is that everyone should live in 0.0 so you can gank them? Gawd... stop telling us how to play! But seriously. That does sound like a good idea on the surface (I agree with it), but as was pointed out, there are a lot more deal with then meets the eye.
Desiderious Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:50:00 - [20] With scan probes you can now interact with them. Also remember that they interact economically just as much, if not more, to other players as well. In addition, they are still vulnerable to wars just like the rest of us. ----------------------------- Oink ^OO^
Countess Kari Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:56:00 - [21] Yes, lets make this game so that all the gate campers can spend hours on end ganking players at gates. That way they can have all the fun, the rest of us, the "Carebear Miners, builders, and Mission Runners" will keep paying every month to play their style of game so they can keep the killboard going. Guys get over it, PVP is NOT all this game is about. Some people actualy participate in a real life, and only PLAY EVE. You can always tell when the gankers are bored, they end up posting here about the "Carebears" and how they should be forced to go to low secure sectors, so they can be gank by someone. Eve is one of the best games that provides its players a wide varity of choices of play style, you choose yours, now live with it.
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:02:00 - [22] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 13/12/2006 01:02:51 Started reading and stopped. EVE deserves many ways of gameplay. That make is so great. As a noob it makes sense to concentrate on mission because PvP is pure suicide and frustrating then. If you beeing bored by missions you run into low-secs. If you bored by PvP you start missions. You can camp in some DED and farm them. You can just fly around or mine till judgement day. However ... whatever ... it's up to you and your available reallife sparetime what you want to do in EVE. That's a part of the concept. A posting like yours is senseless from that pov. But it's your personal optinon. I do respect that. Fly strong skilled and may your DNA be with you. Presidente Gallente [a passionated mission runner due reallife anomalies and l4 in a BC are my personal challenge]
Portios Smith Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Desiderious With scan probes you can now interact with them. Also remember that they interact economically just as much, if not more, to other players as well. In addition, they are still vulnerable to wars just like the rest of us. They are making it harder to probe them, I somewhat agree with the need to make it harder to probe a mission, I am just worried that like always they go too far and make it damn near impossible or flat out give in and make 100% safe space for them to mission in when even the ebil macrominers are exposed to the rest of EVE Only those who join a corp are vulnerable to wars, many of them never do. Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Spuck	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:10:00 - [24] Originally by: Portios Smith Mission runners are an EVE problem lol your posting teached us ; black holes are not only in universe...
Zikke Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:11:00 - [25] Eve is what you make it. I don't need to explain further. -------- Get over it. (TM)
Portios Smith Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Countess Kari Yes, lets make this game so that all the gate campers can spend hours on end ganking players at gates. That way they can have all the fun, the rest of us, the "Carebear Miners, builders, and Mission Runners" will keep paying every month to play their style of game so they can keep the killboard going. Guys get over it, PVP is NOT all this game is about. Some people actualy participate in a real life, and only PLAY EVE. You can always tell when the gankers are bored, they end up posting here about the "Carebears" and how they should be forced to go to low secure sectors, so they can be gank by someone. Eve is one of the best games that provides its players a wide varity of choices of play style, you choose yours, now live with it. So now I am going after the "carebears miners and builders" too? I must be so ebil I make tiller look like Butterflies in Spring time I accuse you of beeing the first one to use the word carebear in this thread, how do you plea? I have a whole lot of repsect for miners and builders by the way. Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:26:00 - [27] I found your post quite distasteful. I am mostly a mission runner, but that is because that is what I enjoy most at the moment and am skilling up to be something beside just a target in PvP. However, I am in a player corp, I interact with plenty of people ingame and quite like to help out those noober than myself. I also provide you with the expensive named items and also purchase the expensive named items you bring back from 0.0. So in essence, please keep your ill-informed, prejudicial comments to yourself, thank you. FOR THE EMPEROR! The Fifth NtV (Noob to Vet) Lottery
Kael Macgilchalium	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:52:00 - [28] Edited by: Kael Macgilchalium on 13/12/2006 01:55:21 Originally by: Jaguar Dragon Bottom line. NO EMPIRE.. NO 0.0 PVPING.. NO EVE 0.0 Exsists because of all the empire paying customers ccp has. thats roughtly 80% of all of eve.. you pvp'ers should be happy to have empire paying ccp's bills and making them profit, cuz without empire players there is no eve. simple as that. keep screwing empire and these players will leave eve. there is no reason why eve can't have everyone doing what they want.. i suggest you petition ccp to make the ENTIRE MAP RED. cuz thats what you realy want, all so you can get kills and nothing but kills. pvp gets boring as does everything else. if you didn't make such remarks about empire players all the time and instead made friends you just might have more in 0.0..
Father Weebles Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:52:00 - [29] Edited by: Father Weebles on 13/12/2006 01:54:42 While i agree that 3 year old players that do nothing but pve all day all night long are pretty useless, theres some new players that want to rack up the sp and do well in pvp like i did earlier in 2006. Hell I run missions every now and then just for something different. "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Kael Macgilchalium	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:00:00 - [30] I believe I get the gist of your topic. Alas, some people just dont want to interact with others. Remember anyway, its obvious that some folks that play this game probably do not have the best real-life social interaction skills anyway and find EVE an escape.

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