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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.11.24 14:09:00 -
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ðiscorporation for Minmatar President
What's the worst that can happen?
Only if you let Stavros run the Empire.
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.11.24 14:26:00 -
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Replacing your Prime Minister is indeed a possability, but would that not leave upon a posability of enrolling an equally detrimental Prime Minister? Could the Minmatar Republic afford an all out war on the eve of a major Political change? Would the escalation of an already tense situation promote further problems involving the present slave farm outbreak? It is apparant, yes your leader has remained quite during an unsettling event, but isnt it true that your Republic is stable and prosperous? Why risk such a stability?
I would be extremely interested in your answer.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 14:32:00 -
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My thoughts exactly, Bad Harlequin. However, Erai, I think, has since grasped the point, and further lambasting is unnecessary, sirrah.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Makkar on 24/11/2003 14:38:56
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...Why risk such a stability?
Because it is necessary and right.
Not risking it, and in so doing allowing such vile cancer to flourish unchecked, would make a mockery of all we have achieved since the rebellion.
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Kallanagh Tellen
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Posted - 2003.11.24 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kallanagh Tellen on 24/11/2003 14:49:09
It seems strange. Our soon to be Emperor has done much, even risking his reputation and life by bringing an olive branch of peace to the Minmatar, and you risk ALL to enage in a war that the Minmatar cannot afford?
The Amarr Empire is unsure on its new position, but should your present Prime Minister be evicted in place of a war-mongering leader, who proceeds to go on the offensive against the Amarr, you stand as a nation to lose EVERYTHING. With the development of new Imperial class vessels, the possability of destabalising the present Holder to allow Sarum to take the throne, and to enrage and mobilise the Amarr war-machine what you propose is not couragious, its insanity.
Be thankful that your lands are content, you till your own fields and have your freedom. Apart from a the futile issues of liberating your kin that are guests within our Empire, you are free to live a peaceful life. Support your peaceful Prime Minister and be thankful of what you have been given, for change to an aggressive path it may well be gone forever.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2003.11.24 15:09:00 -
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We are not free! We have a puppet that sits in office, who is turning a blind eye to those who have forsaken our tribes. Those, who for isk or sheer malign intent, see to it that their own kin are sold back into slavery nearly as fast as true Minmatar can liberate them from your clutches.
Right now, my eyes and fury are turned on these foul slaving dogs who claim they are my kin. Left unchecked, such a cancer could destroy the Republic faster than a war with Amarr ever could.
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Estios
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Posted - 2003.11.24 15:38:00 -
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I am safe to say that all of us at Oracle and Im sure a large majority of you were shocked and appalled by the news of these slave colonies, especially in our own Republic.
I am a little more hot headed than some of my Oracle brothers and sisters and don't perceive to understand all the politics involved so will leave the parlimentary breakdowns and analysis to them.
I myself have never felt that our current Prime Minister was doing enough to address the issues of our people still in shackles. If I felt he was doing enough I would not have joined Oracle. This news and his lack of swift response confirm my feelings. I am a believer of actions over words.
To those of you naive enough to question our move to lawless space and those who dared state we had abandoned our ideals, I wouldn't give you the backwash from my quafe. Our work in Empire space, all be it sometimes shady was always hampered by Concord and now we find our own goverment was transpiring against us. We could not operate in the best interest of our enslaved brothers and sisters with these political and military forces breathing down our necks. A shackle on us if you will, and my days in shackles are well and truely in the past.
I am angry for those who mocked us and attempted to discredit us. This appalling news has shown that we were close to the problem but perhaps could not see the woods for the tree's. We have taken our fight to those who cannot hide behind Concord and other easily corruptable institues. Be sure that we are now ready to do something about it though.
I and some of my Tribe have already taken recon vessels into many far reaches of the republic in an attempt to find any more of these abysmal colonies but so far we have found nothing. Who's to say how deep this secret goes ?
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Norion
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Posted - 2003.11.25 10:57:00 -
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I remember my time as a slave, I also remember breaking every bone in my former masters body as I broke free. I have nothing but contempt for those of weaker Minmatar blood, I speak of those who allow themselves to be captives of the weakling Amarrs. Rise up and make a stand for yourselves brothers and sisters. Stop looking for others to free you! You get no pity from me. A race is only as strong as its weakest link and I refuse to let my name be tied to that of the weakest, for I am Norion, the strongest link.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2003.11.25 11:10:00 -
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Many thanks to all that have responded. We need to send a clear and united message to the powers that be that we will not stand for this any more. I would not be able to hold my head high and proclaim that I am Minmatar if I allowed a corrupt government to stay in office and turn a blind eye to slavery.
We must bring about free elections, along tribal traditions. There is nothing to suggest a Warmonger will take Midular's place - There are other candidates who will doubtless stand - But we must be given our right to choose as a people.
Let us show that we are not as barbaric as the Amarrians! Let the elections not turn into some farcicle frigate tournament in otherwise inaccessable space! Let us bring slavery in the Minmatar republic to a complete stop!
We are Minmatar! We are better than that!
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Wren
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Posted - 2003.11.25 11:19:00 -
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Let us stand united in this time. Let our voices shake the stars. Let the light of Pator reawaken our tribal bonds. Let us live like Minmatar.
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Grimmur
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Posted - 2003.11.25 13:20:00 -
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Norion is right! We need to fight for our selfs. We canÆt depend on help from others.
The only answer to tyranny is a pistol.
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Rebecca Brannix
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Posted - 2003.11.26 23:51:00 -
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Makkar, you voice the feelings within the hearts of all who are loyal to our Minmatar brethren, yoked and tied to a life of torment.
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Erai
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Posted - 2003.11.27 08:26:00 -
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The PM has yet to respond to these news, but a spokesperson from the PM's office said that such a vote would be taken very seriously, no matter whether it actually went through or not.
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Oof, how much more vague can we get! No comment on slavery within the republic, but, through a spokesperson, comment on a possible vote.
What I am wondering is if somebody is pressuring the Prime Minister in some way? And what exactly is happening in parliament? Has Midular had any form of contact with Wkumi Pol, Tenerhaddi Dykon, any senator?
This silence is becoming more worrysome by the day, and could destabilise the Republic much more then any kind of revolutionary talk. Again: what the hell is happening in the Minmatar government?!
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Valorian
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Posted - 2003.11.27 12:05:00 -
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Prime Minister Midular is so out of touch with the public that reporters have been known to refer to her using male gender terms.
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Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2003.11.27 12:55:00 -
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Vote? why Vote, Just kill em, Nothing in this world is solved though "Negotiation" or "Votes of Confidence" only through Ammar Blood and the heads of their treasonous puppets within the Republic.
And YES AMARR are to blame, arent they always?
They create the demand and they Pay the Traiters.
Don't fool yourselves the Amarr laughing at us. And buy wasting time with politics instead of killing we are only showing our weakness.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2003.11.27 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Makkar on 27/11/2003 13:39:28
Kill who, Dark Nyte? Since the initial release of this shocking news, I've been scouring Minmatar space, scanning everything with an engine or docking bays for signs of this farm. Nothing. Nada. It is obviously very very well hidden, which is possibly why it escaped the attention of out police force apparently for so long.
Whilst the Amarr are indeed evil slaving dogs, our own people do not fly around our space with "Slaving Traitor Scum" tatooed on their foreheads. Even if they did, the tyrany of CONCORD would prevent us taking action, even though they themselves are opposed to slave trade, and are bound to uphold the laws of the territories they fly in.
Understand that I feel your anger and I sympathise with your sentiment, but we cannot allow ourselves to bring the republic into a state of anarchy, which is essentially what you advocate. We have ways and traditions that bind us together as a people. Let's not abandon them because we are angry.
That would send a clearer message to the Amarr, and just as false. It would say to them that we are indeed no better than the feral animals they consider us to be.
So once again I call to all Minmatar; Add your name to this list. Express your disgust in Midular's apathy. Tell her you will have change, but also send the message that you do not want anarchy or civil war. We cannot afford to be divided in the current climate.
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Dal Gurak
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Posted - 2003.11.27 14:34:00 -
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You have my support in your move against the Prime Minister. I speak for many of my minmatar companions in this matter and hope that all tribe Sebiestor feels the same way. I hope that only good will come of this and like you I know we can't afford an armed conflict over this. However, even though separted at this time me and my companions stand ready to group at a moments notice. Do our people proud, and do what is right.
Another cold and lonely rainy day comes to an end. I have to clean my mind before I sleep or else I tend, to close my eyes and realise there's nothing there but light. I need shadow, I need darkness, to help me through the night. |
Erai
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Posted - 2003.11.27 14:52:00 -
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Prime Minister Midular is so out of touch with the public that reporters have been known to refer to her using male gender terms.
Er, Valorian, I do feel I must correct you here- not the "out of touch" part, but, as for the "female" part:
Tribe Leader Karin Midular
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Akunosh Ryo
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Posted - 2003.11.27 14:59:00 -
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Vote? why Vote, Just kill em, Nothing in this world is solved though "Negotiation" or "Votes of Confidence" only through Ammar Blood and the heads of their treasonous puppets within the Republic.
If thats all we always do is kill, then thats all other races will know we can do when it comes to problems like this. And I don't see that as a good thing.
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Don't fool yourselves the Amarr laughing at us. And buy wasting time with politics instead of killing we are only showing our weakness.
I dont believe we'll be showing a weakness. I believe we'll be showing a strength. That we ARE able to solve some of our problems with out viloence.
But hey. Those are just my thoughts.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.11.27 15:20:00 -
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Er, Valorian, I do feel I must correct you here- not the "out of touch" part, but, as for the "female" part:
That is not a picture of her, obviously, but a generic sebestior.
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Reil Shashanna
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Posted - 2003.11.27 15:53:00 -
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Er, Valorian, I do feel I must correct you here- not the "out of touch" part, but, as for the "female" part:
That is not a picture of her, obviously, but a generic sebestior.
With Minmatar, its often hard to tell the difference between the sexes
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Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2003.11.27 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Makkar on 27/11/2003 13:39:28
Kill who, Dark Nyte? Since the initial release of this shocking news, I've been scouring Minmatar space, scanning everything with an engine or docking bays for signs of this farm. Nothing. Nada. It is obviously very very well hidden, which is possibly why it escaped the attention of out police force apparently for so long.
Whilst the Amarr are indeed evil slaving dogs, our own people do not fly around our space with "Slaving Traitor Scum" tatooed on their foreheads. Even if they did, the tyrany of CONCORD would prevent us taking action, even though they themselves are opposed to slave trade, and are bound to uphold the laws of the territories they fly in.
Understand that I feel your anger and I sympathise with your sentiment, but we cannot allow ourselves to bring the republic into a state of anarchy, which is essentially what you advocate. We have ways and traditions that bind us together as a people. Let's not abandon them because we are angry.
That would send a clearer message to the Amarr, and just as false. It would say to them that we are indeed no better than the feral animals they consider us to be.
So once again I call to all Minmatar; Add your name to this list. Express your disgust in Midular's apathy. Tell her you will have change, but also send the message that you do not want anarchy or civil war. We cannot afford to be divided in the current climate.
Grrrrh!!!!
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Xerxes X
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Posted - 2003.11.27 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Xerxes X on 27/11/2003 18:01:01
Midular, give us the heads or locations of those responsible or prepare to step down!
Xerxes X
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Coras'zon
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Posted - 2003.11.28 17:41:00 -
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Norion brother I read your words and I agree with you most. A weak slaved Minmatar is worth less then an Amarr scum, if he does not at least try to brake his oppressors chains and gain his freedom to fight back the Amarr.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2003.11.30 02:25:00 -
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I cannot believe I am hearing this. Our enslaved brethren are unable to free themselves, so we should sit by and do nothing, because they are clearly "Too weak" to be free? Is that really what you are saying?
And you call yourselves Minmatar?
Such words I would expect from an Amarr, but not my own blood...
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Akunosh Ryo
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Posted - 2003.11.30 02:27:00 -
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I cannot believe I am hearing this. Our enslaved brethren are unable to free themselves, so we should sit by and do nothing, because they are clearly "Too weak" to be free? Is that really what you are saying?
And you call yourselves Minmatar?
Such words I would expect from an Amarr, but not my own blood...
Who said anything about sitting by and doing nothing?
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Makkar
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Posted - 2003.11.30 05:32:00 -
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Norion wrote:
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I remember my time as a slave, I also remember breaking every bone in my former masters body as I broke free. I have nothing but contempt for those of weaker Minmatar blood, I speak of those who allow themselves to be captives of the weakling Amarrs. Rise up and make a stand for yourselves brothers and sisters. Stop looking for others to free you! You get no pity from me. A race is only as strong as its weakest link and I refuse to let my name be tied to that of the weakest, for I am Norion, the strongest link.
Here, Norion would seem to advocate not attempting to aid our brothers and sisters, for they are apparently "weak".
A rallying call, perhaps. But inspiring speaches do not usually speak of contempt for those you are attempting to inspire.
I say; weak is the child of Matar that will not stand and fight to free his blood brothers. Weak is the tribe that turns it's back on it's own people when they cry for help.
They that enslave their own, and they that sit, uncaring, whilst their brothers are enslaved, and they themselves have power enough to help. They have no right to call themselves a child of Matar. They are my enemy. They are the enemy of all true Matari.
I may point out that there has still been no official word from the Prime Minister. She who is supposed to speak with the voice of our people. The voice of our people cries in outrage for justice on the foes of the Republic, and for the freedom of her people; And Karin Midular? Does she echo the cry? No... Her voice stays silent, save to mutter "apathy."
Is this what has become of the glorious new dawn of our people in the wake of rebellion? Were all those lives lost for nothing? That we should sit, cowed and subdued, in the face of such outrage?
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Akunosh Ryo
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Posted - 2003.11.30 05:57:00 -
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Many apologies Makkar.
Yes its seems in his message that he doesnt not wish to aid our brothers and sisters.
Norion fails to realize that if our brothers and sisters rebel in Amarrian space with out help they will just be killed faster than they would waiting for help.
As for the PM, if I were one of her advisers, I'd adviser her to do something soon. Very, very soon.
It saddens me to see one of my tribe this weak. I know if I were in her place things would be different. . . . .
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Coras'zon
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Posted - 2003.11.30 12:17:00 -
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Norion, in my opinion does not fail to realize anything.
Would a true Minmatar not rather die than live in oppression? Are we not willing to kill and die for our cause? Why should we risk our lives if the enslaved are not willing to risk theirs?
Makkar though I see some wisdom in your words I nust ask this.
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Norion
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Posted - 2003.11.30 12:56:00 -
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Makkar calls me a weak child of Matar. My strength has gotten me to where I am now, only by my own strength have I gotten out of the Amarrs hands. I may have spoken a bit harshly but I speak from the soul. By what right do you call me enemy of all true Matari? You may not like my methods, but you can rest assured that even though I know them to be weaker, they are in my thoughts.
Brothers Akunosh Ryo and Makkar, there is no doubt about it, the Amarr scum has changed us, I accept your wisdom.
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