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Whiro Teiuq Minmatar Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:51:00 - [1] So far, I've seen three titans substantiated as being in existence in the universe. All three are Avatars. The reasoning is the substantial capacitor recharge the ship provides to it's gang, as I understand, which apparantly outclasses all other bonuses from the other Titans. 1) Is this a legit argument? Rather, is it -really- a better bonus than is granted to the other Titans? 2) If so (or even if not), what would you do to the other Titans to make them more 'on par'? My humble suggestions, going along with the themes of each race's strengths, are as follows... Feel free to laugh. Gallente - (Drones and Armor) +7.5% armor hp per level, AND +5% armor resists per level, -or- +10% damage to drones of gangmembers per level. Caldari - (Missiles and Shields) +7.5% shield resist amount per level AND +7.5% shield total hp, -or- +7.5% damage to gangmember's missiles/rockets Minmatar - (Speed and Guns) +10% damage increase per level to Doomsday weapon. -or- +1 solar system range for Jump Drive per level Discuss. ~Whiro
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:52:00 - [2] Well they borrow each other the bpo and after that make sweet loving. _________________________________________________ Breetime
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:54:00 - [3] I keep getting told things about RAGoon and an Erebus. No doubt unsubstantiated rumors though. It'd be nice to see a Erebus though, all these giant mushrooms are getting tiresome. (If you woke up breathing today, CONGRATULATIONS!, you get another chance!)
Sgt Jinxed Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:55:00 - [4] Edited by: Sgt Jinxed on 13/12/2006 15:56:37 Originally by: madaluap Well they borrow each other the bpo and after that make sweet loving. This man speaks the truth. It is CLEARLY all about the sweet loving. Anyone tries to convince you it's not is a liar. So says I.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:59:00 - [5] Cuz those hgh skilled people are amarr spec cuz apoc used to be ub0r and revelation is great pos killer due to no-ammo
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:08:00 - [6] the avatar is the best looking one tbh. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:14:00 - [7] Edited by: Sokratesz on 13/12/2006 16:14:02 i know why - according to the item DB it's the cheapest of all four Basilisk Fitting Link http://www.openo
ClawKnight Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:18:00 - [8] I'd say it was because the recharge rate bonus benefits all races ships (everyone needs cap), whereas the gallente one is better for armor tanking fleets, caldari for shield tanking, and minimatar for... well... erm...
Templer Relleg Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:18:00 - [9] There is supposed to have been sold an Erebus bpo. So its not only Avatars, it seems
Mazikean	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:21:00 - [10] I think the reason why you are seeing this is because of the nature of how large fleet fights work. In those you have 30+ bs's vs 30+ bs's, also include bs support and tacklers ect. The problem comes in that 1 bs at a time on either side gets called primary. With 30+ ships shooting at you it won't matter how good your tank is you will be downed in a few seconds. Why does this matter what titan is popular now? Because gallente and caldari give hp which will only be adding to your tank which is...not extemely helpful in large engagements. Minmatari have an interesting bonus but I feel it would only help out cruisers and below. This means awesome tackling and support for bs's. Seeing as how the battleship is the work horse of all major fleet fights that bonus isn't significantly helping them (bs pilots). Ammar however, has a cap bonus, the ability to fit a ship with pure damage and not have to worry about running cr's/cpr's/cap flux's is a huge deal. It saves you slots for tracking and damage mods. That is a major improvement to your fleet under the current paradigm. Anyway that is my guess. I'm still new (4 months) but from what I've seen in my fights damage is king and fitting a tank is a horrible waste of slots.
Saerid Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:22:00 - [11] An Erebus BPO was sold ages ago. At least if the corporations & alliances forum is to be believed (I think it was DBpreacher who said it outright) , it's being built by D2. Might be more of those in the pipeline ofc. As for bonuses, I figure biggest advantage the avatar has is for capital ships. It makes a huge difference for a dreadnaught's tank.
Wotar	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:13:00 - [12] They take so long to train for that when they started training, Amarr was uber ;-P
Twin blade Minmatar The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:22:00 - [13] I belive the reason is the only people the allance would trust with the titan's just happend to be amarr not the fact its cap bonus owns. !
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:48:00 - [14] The Ragnarok has the best bonuses. ~Thor Xian, Chief Administrator "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:52:00 - [15] XL xtals never run out, so that's probably a large selling point. Plus the fact that they want too armour tank the Titans, and Amarr are known as the armour tanking race (haha). There's lots of up and downs, but at the end of the day, it's probably just because it looks the best. --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:59:00 - [16] Blueprint / Titan Blueprint / Ragnarok Blueprint for 60,750,000,000.00 ISK (last transaction was 2006.08.19 23:49: 1 units at Hrober VI - Republic Fleet Testing Facilities Blueprint / Titan Blueprint / Erebus Blueprint for 65,250,000,000.00 ISK (last transaction was 2006.11.06 10:10: 1 units at Algogille XIII - Federation Navy Testing Facilities There are many more Titans in existence and being built than you think. Just because 3 have been seen, that doesn't mean anything.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Pan Crastus Blueprint / Titan Blueprint / Ragnarok Blueprint for 60,750,000,000.00 ISK (last transaction was 2006.08.19 23:49: 1 units at Hrober VI - Republic Fleet Testing Facilities Blueprint / Titan Blueprint / Erebus Blueprint for 65,250,000,000.00 ISK (last transaction was 2006.11.06 10:10: 1 units at Algogille XIII - Federation Navy Testing Facilities There are many more Titans in existence and being built than you think. Just because 3 have been seen, that doesn't mean anything. bob has a ragnarok i want an erebus
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Pan Crastus Blueprint / Titan Blueprint / Ragnarok Blueprint for 60,750,000,000.00 ISK (last transaction was 2006.08.19 23:49: 1 units at Hrober VI - Republic Fleet Testing Facilities Blueprint / Titan Blueprint / Erebus Blueprint for 65,250,000,000.00 ISK (last transaction was 2006.11.06 10:10: 1 units at Algogille XIII - Federation Navy Testing Facilities There are many more Titans in existence and being built than you think. Just because 3 have been seen, that doesn't mean anything. bob has a ragnarok i want an erebus If BoB has a Ragnarok, they are hiding it well. Shrike flies an Avatar. ~Thor Xian, Chief Administrator "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
CJ70 Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:56:00 - [19] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Pan Crastus Blueprint / Titan Blueprint / Ragnarok Blueprint for 60,750,000,000.00 ISK (last transaction was 2006.08.19 23:49: 1 units at Hrober VI - Republic Fleet Testing Facilities Blueprint / Titan Blueprint / Erebus Blueprint for 65,250,000,000.00 ISK (last transaction was 2006.11.06 10:10: 1 units at Algogille XIII - Federation Navy Testing Facilities There are many more Titans in existence and being built than you think. Just because 3 have been seen, that doesn't mean anything. bob has a ragnarok i want an erebus If BoB has a Ragnarok, they are hiding it well. Shrike flies an Avatar. Always nice to have a spare for a rainy day
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:58:00 - [20] bob's ragnarok has been seen on test server
Talasan The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:31:00 - [21] Originally by: Deathbarrage bob's ragnarok has been seen on test server who knows if they do or not, that certainly isnt proof, anyone with the skills can buy one on test server "minmatar got the shaft again? sure ill bend over right away"
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Whiro Teiuq 1) Is this a legit argument? Rather, is it -really- a better bonus than is granted to the other Titans? Yes, the cap bonus on the Avatar is extremely useful. If you don't understand why... ... then take a look at other capital ships. The cap bonus from having an Avatar in the system is a huge improvement to dreadnaughts/carriers doing POS warfare. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Talasan Originally by: Deathbarrage bob's ragnarok has been seen on test server who knows if they do or not, that certainly isnt proof, anyone with the skills can buy one on test server titans can't dock hint
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:12:00 - [24] I believe you can buy one and undock it still, failing that they can always go as far as building one on sisi.
Meeko Gloom Gallente Republic	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Talasan Originally by: Deathbarrage bob's ragnarok has been seen on test server who knows if they do or not, that certainly isnt proof, anyone with the skills can buy one on test server titans can't dock hint You mean TomB's Titan wink wink /me puts tin foil hat on -------------------------- Guns dont Kill People Drones Do
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:30:00 - [26] I'll just go out on a limb here and suggest that we have only seen amarr titans because the people who could afford to make one were probably MUCH MUCH closer to having the skills for an amarr titan than any of the other races (and it takes a LONG time to train for a titan). They probably wanted on sooner rather than much later.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.12.14 01:19:00 - [27] Originally by: Christopher Dalran I'll just go out on a limb here and suggest that we have only seen amarr titans because the people who could afford to make one were probably MUCH MUCH closer to having the skills for an amarr titan than any of the other races (and it takes a LONG time to train for a titan). They probably wanted on sooner rather than much later. That's a whole lot of bull****. The only racial skill you need is battleship lvl 5. Players old enough to fly a titan usually already have at least 2 races BS 5. Also, no guy with just one account will ever be a titan pilot. That is not an issue, at all. The sole reason is the one I've already given. The Avatar's bonus is extremely useful for other capital ships, which is where it really counts. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Hamatitio Caldari Fate.	Posted - 2006.12.14 01:24:00 - [28] For fleet combat IMO ragnarok has the best bonus :) --- I'm going through sigs fast these days.
cflux Caldari FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.14 01:43:00 - [29] Originally by: dalman The sole reason is the one I've already given. The Avatar's bonus is extremely useful for other capital ships, which is where it really counts. Smirt, err, Smert, err, Smart! As whole this is quite pointless discussion, that is the sole answer. --
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.12.14 02:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Twilight Moon I keep getting told things about RAGoon and an Erebus. No doubt unsubstantiated rumors though. It'd be nice to see a Erebus though, all these giant mushrooms are getting tiresome. Question here: why does most of EVE refer to Goonswarm alliance as GOON? Our ticker has been [OHGOD] ever since it was created. Referring to Goonswarm as GOON just makes us roll our eyes and laugh at how lazy people are not to even check the ticker. Originally by: Khavi Vetali Oh don't worry, the goons are just as suicidal with their battleships as they are with their frigates.

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