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MiIes Naismith Amarr Guru Clan	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:15:00 - [1] Just curious, why does ccp forbid all mention of forum moderation or bans. this doesnt seem honest to me. wouldnt it be better to have " transparent justice" so that the community can look at it and know for a fact that fair and impartial judgement was meated out. what gaurantees do we as a community have that ccp's decisions are consistant, and made with integrity. its similar to how i feel about the lottery. too much is hidden from the community's view therefore we can never be sure its fair. it would be more fair to keep things out in the open where all can see what has happened. not having an open system to view justice handed out means we can never have an avenue of redress outside of personal e-mails that may or may not be answered. not having the lottery system open and transparent means we can never be sure that its truly random. discuss.
Wotar	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:17:00 - [2] Originally by: MiIes Naismith discuss. ibtl
Mallakk	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:18:00 - [3] Quote: Just curious, why does ccp forbid all mention of forum moderation or bans. That mean you are getting locked quickly. IBTL ________________________________________ Dreaming of a full 0.0 world since 2005
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:20:00 - [4] Blast from the past ... Linkage Originally by: Wrangler This is a forum, you are allowed to post here as long as you follow the rules. Freedom of speech is not a factor on privately owned forums. Posting on this forum is a privilege, not a right. I do not assume people will start flaming the moderator team when they discuss forum moderation. I know they will simply because they've done so in every single case where we've allowed it. And we don't have the resources to monitor those threads 24/7 which is what would be required for us to keep them open. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:22:00 - [5] Edited by: Del369 on 13/12/2006 17:24:29 Edited by: Del369 on 13/12/2006 17:23:38 Originally by: Mallakk Quote: Just curious, why does ccp forbid all mention of forum moderation or bans. That mean you are getting locked quickly. IBTL all forums do it, it's to stop endless posts whining about mods modding, or not modding, depending on what said whiner wants at that particular moment. here you go have a looksie at this for a laugh Complainers of the world unite oh and hopefully ibtl Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
MiIes Naismith Amarr Guru Clan	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Fracking Beach Blast from the past ... Linkage Originally by: Wrangler This is a forum, you are allowed to post here as long as you follow the rules. Freedom of speech is not a factor on privately owned forums. Posting on this forum is a privilege, not a right. I do not assume people will start flaming the moderator team when they discuss forum moderation. I know they will simply because they've done so in every single case where we've allowed it. And we don't have the resources to monitor those threads 24/7 which is what would be required for us to keep them open. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online invalid arguement just make the moderation threads unpostable to by anyone but the concerned and prosecuting parties. then it doesnt need babysitting but justice is still transparent. next
Jane Vladmir Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:32:00 - [7] Hey I got banned for 3 months for gang inviting a alt-scout in a shuttle as it passed our two manned camp. Imagine how I would've discussed that on the forums if allowed.
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:36:00 - [8] Originally by: MiIes Naismith invalid arguement just make the moderation threads unpostable to by anyone but the concerned and prosecuting parties. then it doesnt need babysitting but justice is still transparent. next Your suggestion is totally impractical and judging from your "NEXT" reply, your tone is hostile. So, I gather you just want to ARGUE, not discuss. Keep your silly thread.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:37:00 - [9] I forsee a click for this topic.... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Donkee Punch	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:38:00 - [10] it's called the Heavy Hand of Censorship.. Oh and .. ITBL!!
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:43:00 - [11] moderation, discussion, not allowed, their forum ,their rules, don't like it tough luck. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
MiIes Naismith Amarr Guru Clan	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:43:00 - [12] why should it be locked, im not violating it by discussing a specific case, im demanding to know why they hide justice from the community, is it so wrong to want a confirmation of ccp's integrity .
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:47:00 - [13] Justice is not hidden. The moderators clearly state in the threads why they were locked =/ Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:49:00 - [14] Originally by: MiIes Naismith why should it be locked, im not violating it by discussing a specific case, im demanding to know why they hide justice from the community, is it so wrong to want a confirmation of ccp's integrity . i think one of those following 2 sentences will be appearing when a mod actually locks it: "turned into a flamewar" or (more likely] "troll attempt" but will end with "click" :-P --- BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Eskona Runningstar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:52:00 - [15] Originally by: MiIes Naismith Just curious, why does ccp forbid all mention of forum moderation or bans. this doesnt seem honest to me. wouldnt it be better to have " transparent justice" so that the community can look at it and know for a fact that fair and impartial judgement was meated out. what gaurantees do we as a community have that ccp's decisions are consistant, and made with integrity.(...) Because discussing moderation or GM decisions would also include disclosing all information that led to the decision. This in turn would violate privacy clauses CCP either has in their EULA or which are required by law. ---------- These are my views and mine alone. They do not represent the official stance of my corporation or alliance in any way. Eskona Runningstar Eve University IVY League
MiIes Naismith Amarr Guru Clan	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:56:00 - [16] Edited by: MiIes Naismith on 13/12/2006 18:01:11 Originally by: Kharakan Justice is not hidden. The moderators clearly state in the threads why they were locked =/ i dont mean locked threads im talking about in game discipline. i also think im completely right to question thier integrity as has been shown by kierons recent response to the skills not training after account expires threads. he started out saying it was a bug never meant to be blah blah and 45 min later a retraction is issued. so obviously he didnt know anything and was merely putting out fires or under orders to just post something to shut the whiners up.
JamesTalon Caldari Electric Fury Corp	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:57:00 - [17] IBTL The link is valid. It explains why they do not allow it. Originally by: kieron EA was able to trademark the use of a barrel roll in a MMOG as an emote Originally by: Anatolius EVE should trademark 'pew pew pew' and then sue games that use lasers.

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