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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.11.23 17:55:00 -
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KIA won't ever leave venal no matter what.
you can take our ships, but you can't take our freedom!
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2003.11.23 18:08:00 -
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I very old idea is that TTI betrayed the VA........ When what happened was the exact opposite....... To even discuss the Removal of SI from an allaince due to their piracy ....... lol......... You don't hold vote to kick someone out of an allaince just because they are drawing you heat........ Espcially if you are some stupid corp that joins an allaince and doesn't bring anything to a table........
Some of us have long memeories........
you sure have short memories, if i remember correctly the VA council tried to arrange a deal where SI could stay in the old VA, it was your corp as far as i could see tht turned that down.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.23 18:20:00 -
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Its not just a short memory its an entirely false one Pieman.
I was asked by Space Invaders to get their corp excluded from the ejection terms. I did this in good faith ... they seemed satisfied, then they turned on us in council and sided with Ragnar.
Us stabbing them in the back? What a laugh.
They stabbed us and Ragnar's coin was still warm in their hands when they did it.
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Ryoko
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Posted - 2003.11.23 19:06:00 -
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blah blah blah. Who would want to read all of your garbage posts, Jade? They're getting desperate looking :(
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.11.23 20:22:00 -
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these anti NVA posts are startin to hurt ma wee head .
I have ALOT of friends in the NVA, and they are great folks.
lay of them for a bit, in my eyes they are the only alliance to join, real nice folks.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.23 22:41:00 -
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The only thing that is starting to hurt my head is the pathetically desperate tone of the anti NVA stuff. It falls into a couple of basic categories.
1. "Hi I am a pirate and I hate the NVA because they won't play dead for me."
2. "Hi I'm a corp thief and I hate the NVA because they said they despise me."
3. "Hi I'm a ex taggart numpty and I hate the NVA because we lost the war and I quit in a haze of foot stamping and spittle but now I figure everyone has forgotten about it so here goes nothing"
4. "Hi I'm a quisling industrialist and I hate the NVA because they hold me to account for supplying and mining for the people fighting them."
5. "Hi I'm a pointless cowardly alt and I have the NVA because they have the guts to stand up and be counted and I don't."
6 "Hi I'm a barely socialised feral numpty and I have the NVA because I can barely string to words together and I hate people that can."
7 "Hi I'm the alt of one of the above and I hate the NVA because I need to support my main!"
8 "Hi I'm a space invader and I hate the NVA because ummmmm, they betrayed us by not voting us out of the VA ... yes, thats it."
9 "Hi I'm bill-o-b-ollocks and I hate the NVA because they are communists ... kinda."
10 "Hi I'm captain mascara and I hate the NVA because, well, I hate them because my main is bored of mining."
And that probably covers it.
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Paul Lebaue
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Posted - 2003.11.24 01:23:00 -
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I have to agree with Solo on this one. This beat has been tried from every angle that I could possible think off. To repeat the same beat over and over again to me is nothing but a sign of bad imagination. At least try and make an effort to use a different angle not used before.
To offend a whole alliance and then expect them to see your reasoning is to me an amazingly bad way of convincing anyone that your reasoning is sound let alone correct. And yes you are offending the whole NVA alliance by claiming that Jade is as bad as you say she is. You offend their intelligence, after all who else but the members of NVA would know more about Jade and the policies, which she has been proclaiming? For you to offend them in this manner by insulting their intelligence is a bad move indeed in your part. You’ll win no support from anyone on that side that way.
Anger, envy and hatred usually get in the way of most peoples better judgment. By showing either you give your opponent the upper hand of you. Learn to control those emotions and use it to feed your own resolve and you will most likely come out of the ordeal the victor. Give in to it and your defeat is not far behind.
I am in some fashion like Jade. In that I am no good in PvP. I am pretty sure the Space Invaders and Zombie Corp can vouch for me on that. I am also pretty sure they will be quite “wordy” in their way of describing our encounters should they choose to counter my claim. However their opinions of me means very little to me. So for me to get insulted by any claims made by them is close to none. Only opinions I do care about is the one I consider as my only true friends and allies in the world of Eve. And that is the member’s of my own Corp.
As for maturity I must say it does not always connect with young age. I have seen people young people express themselves in a more mature way then any adults and I have also seen people whom you would consider as mature act in a way you would expect from a youngster barely seen his twelve winter. All I can say is act like and mature person and you will most likely be treated as such.
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Xraal I
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Posted - 2003.11.24 04:51:00 -
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Well said Paul.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.24 10:59:00 -
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The only thing that is starting to hurt my head is the pathetically desperate tone of the anti NVA stuff. It falls into a couple of basic categories.
1. "Hi I am a pirate and I hate the NVA because they won't play dead for me."
2. "Hi I'm a corp thief and I hate the NVA because they said they despise me."
3. "Hi I'm a ex taggart numpty and I hate the NVA because we lost the war and I quit in a haze of foot stamping and spittle but now I figure everyone has forgotten about it so here goes nothing"
4. "Hi I'm a quisling industrialist and I hate the NVA because they hold me to account for supplying and mining for the people fighting them."
5. "Hi I'm a pointless cowardly alt and I have the NVA because they have the guts to stand up and be counted and I don't."
6 "Hi I'm a barely socialised feral numpty and I have the NVA because I can barely string to words together and I hate people that can."
7 "Hi I'm the alt of one of the above and I hate the NVA because I need to support my main!"
8 "Hi I'm a space invader and I hate the NVA because ummmmm, they betrayed us by not voting us out of the VA ... yes, thats it."
9 "Hi I'm bill-o-b-ollocks and I hate the NVA because they are communists ... kinda."
10 "Hi I'm captain mascara and I hate the NVA because, well, I hate them because my main is bored of mining."
And that probably covers it.
You forgot one Jade:
11. "Hi Im a dull, unimaginative twot who has made little to no impact on the Eve world, and lacks the intelligence to go and create something or get involved in something constructive, so I think I'll just hitch on a pirate corps coat tails and diss other peoples acheivements cos it makes me feel like my opinions matter even though I'm a complete **** for brains."
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.11.24 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 24/11/2003 11:57:20
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11. "Hi Im a dull, unimaginative twot who has made little to no impact on the Eve world, and lacks the intelligence to go and create something or get involved in something constructive, so I think I'll just hitch on a pirate corps coat tails and diss other peoples acheivements cos it makes me feel like my opinions matter even though I'm a complete **** for brains."
Miso you need some good Amarr loving 
I haven't seen you this grouchy since you ****ed on my corpse 
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:01:00 -
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Hardin: playing eve at the moment is like wading neck deep through a mire of human excrement. Sooner or later, it becomes too much 
Might have to go out and pod some noobs now...
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Caldfyr Reynolds
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Caldfyr Reynolds on 24/11/2003 12:08:37
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I'm a trader.
Thats what I was before TTi betrayed the VA. Thats what I want to be again one day, when the legacy of Ragnar's pirate alliance is destroyed.
You ignorant n00b, if you cant fight then you have no reason being in 0.0, being a trader or not you should at least show some dignity of fighting WITH those who are protecting your region.
So every player in every corp should be out patrolling and slowly losing ships until all we have are the noob ships we get when podded? Sorry Lu'Cesha, but we try to run things in an efficient manner.
If you knew anything about an actual military you would know that a very large portion of any military is the support. Cooks, mechanics, weapons loaders, fire fighters, police, administrative, communication, civil engineering.
I'm sure Jericho Fraction is extremily supportive of Jade's willingness to run trade routes. I did robotics for awhile and found it to be worse than mind numbing. Unfortunately, trade routes are a vital resource when it comes to obtaining a constant influx of liquid assets for a corporation.
Maasu, if all of your info is old or second-hand then why the heck are you opening your mouth?
It really is amazing how many people jump onto the band-wagon. All of the Reasons Jade Sucks are becoming cliche.
Is it too much to ask to have enemies that write coherently, have intelligent thoughts, and manage to sabre rattle without spouting the same nonsense as everyone else? Seriously guys, it's like you have a form letter for Jade bashing.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:36:00 -
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Hardin: playing eve at the moment is like wading neck deep through a mire of human excrement. Sooner or later, it becomes too much
Might have to go out and pod some noobs now...
Miso - I am sure Jade could give you one of her 'famous' full body massages if you ask her nicely enough 
I am sure that would help with the de-stressing!
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.24 12:55:00 -
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Hmm, massage and noob podding...
Only joking. I don't really pod noobs. Well, not often.
Hardin: fancy a quafe sometime? I know this lovely little bar in Sarum Prime - we could get "tanked" together...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.24 13:10:00 -
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Thank you for the intelligent comment monsieur Reynolds,
But I fear its wasted on "lucrisha and Maasu" they are both pathetic alts. And the former has proved utterly worthless in this thread;
A muppet makes a challenge and then runs away
Its very funny to be called an "ignorant noob" by an anonymous alt operated by a player too chicken to face me in a single combat challenge they actually made ... strikes a new low rate in the eve player base to me. God how I despise this person.
(I would love to know who owns this alt btw ... if anyone can "out" the main I will be very grateful)
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I'm sure Jericho Fraction is extremily supportive of Jade's willingness to run trade routes.
We are actually a trading corp at core, not many people remember this now. But Athule was the first advocate of large scale trading in eve release. He authored an article about how to make serious money trading in the first couple of weeks to dispel the myth that trading sucks.
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I did robotics for awhile and found it to be worse than mind numbing.
What makes trading more interesting is running marginal space when opposed by pirates. This used to be a lot of fun, cat and mouse games of intelligence and scouting interspersed with raw terror. I spent a lot of my early game running space invader blockades with my (non-mwd) equipped indy.
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Unfortunately, trade routes are a vital resource when it comes to obtaining a constant influx of liquid assets for a corporation.
Its my hope the developers keep refining the market system and making it more dynamic and dictated by regional production and shortage. Its a game in itself. And really can become the prime cause of war and conflict.
The thing that most bores me stupid about the farsical "war" with biomass and spvd is that they have no infrastructure for us to inderdict really. When we were fighting TTI it was always fun tracking their holdings and soft targets.
Now sadly its just b-ollocks pirates and insta-gank or log-off tactics. Dullesville.
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Maasu, if all of your info is old or second-hand then why the heck are you opening your mouth?
Because he is a prat. He was always a prat. And he remains a prat.
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It really is amazing how many people jump onto the band-wagon. All of the Reasons Jade Sucks are becoming cliche.
They were cliche when the old taggartites used to mouth them, now they are acheological relics of disused language ;)
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Is it too much to ask to have enemies that write coherently, have intelligent thoughts, and manage to sabre rattle without spouting the same nonsense as everyone else?
Oh how I wish we could have some decent enemies. I have considered writing a want add for "nemesis archetypes that don't suck".
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Seriously guys, it's like you have a form letter for Jade bashing.
I think they do, (that plus the fact there are probably only about half a dozen real players than keep this s-hit up 24/7 ... hence the reason all the flames sound the same).
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.11.24 13:50:00 -
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The length of this thread is a testimony to the fact that we are starving for content.
If the NVA, PIE and CA died what the hell would we talk about?
Oh and I thought you only wanted to pod Miso with me. 
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Maasu
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Posted - 2003.11.24 14:56:00 -
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Since were on the topic of short memories Jade, where did you come to the conclusion i quit because Taggart lost the war?
For the sake of my own defense i actually quit because i went to university. Where i have no internet access in my dorms, thus unable to play eve activley. Makes sense you know, around september time when terms start etc. Hmm... making sense?
Anyways onto important stuff, this was an attack at the NVA. On the forums, intended to do nothing more other than to create bad publicity and also while i'm at it entertain myself while i'm sat twiddling my thumbs during lectures. Now since Jade has taken the responsiblity (wether she wanted too or not) of publically representing the NVA. This could be what you hoped for or indeed a mishap and consiquence of your constant and loud defense of them.
So wether i wanted it too or not it was going to effect or indeed mention Jade in one way or another.
I do hate Jade, however it's not because its the trend too or indeed to hop on any bandwagon. It runs very deep the reasoning and i also just disagree in the way she handled the whole affair with (N)VA.
When you say; "We do know what happend" who do you refer to as we? The public? Yourself? the NVA?
Lets look at the public first, where did their information come from - oh wait it came from here, heh. And as we can see any half witted combat pilot (/me raises hand) can put together some sort of attack via these posts and twist an entire situation. So i'd hardly count their opinion as 'accurate' all be it important however.
Your own opinion. The queen of spinning, your own opinion is too clouded by your words that i'd find it very difficult to even imagine how you really percieved the whole turn of events.
The opinion of the NVA. Pretty much similar to that of the public. Some of the bullsh1t that KIA and other pilots were throwing at me was labeling us nothing more than spawns of hell. As if the past two weeks we'd sat on our backside while our allies burned for our cause. The whole time myself and others were sat being chased by 30+ ship fleets in FA territory fighting for and i quote heh "The Defense of Venal". So really where was the this lack of support to comrades?
The opinion of the NVA - also is jaded by the sense that many of it had no actual involvement with the initial conflict, thus the third hand information jade handed their leaders can be labled similar to that of the public.
As for battling it out, can't happen as i pointed out previously i have no account. Think that as a cowardess excuse all you want. It means little to me. However those that knew me knew i would of 1v1'd anyone in eve with any arrangement, i was somewhat blood thirsty and rich in eve - losing a battleship and pride was all part of the fun to be quite honest.
Also may i mention that the tone of this entire thread is a little too OOC hostile. I was hoping to avoid this - but then again when temprements flame it is a little hard to keep your cool, isn't it jade? ;)
Tehel/Necro/Coward/Biggot.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.24 18:07:00 -
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*yawn*
Take a ticket join the pointless numpty alt queue.
You had a tilt at spreading your lies first time around.
Nobody believed them when you were playing the game.
Why should anybody believe them now you have quit?
I actually pay for the pleasure of playing eve.
I don't pay to listen to pointless ex-enemies flaming my name months after they have quit and sold their accounts.
Do me a favour and sod off.
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.11.25 01:20:00 -
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The length of this thread is a testimony to the fact that we are starving for content.
If the NVA, PIE and CA died what the hell would we talk about?
I second that! Muppet time!
Image removed. Don't post images, please - Orestes
"Will the real dumbass Captain Link please stand!"
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.11.25 02:04:00 -
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The length of this thread is a testimony to the fact that we are starving for content.
If the NVA, PIE and CA died what the hell would we talk about?
LOL!! Maud, you ***** me up!!!
And on behalf of Oberon-Inc, Maasu, Shut the hell up. We are so sick of all this melodramatic BS. I'd love to to see just for one day, some washed-up has-been from the Venal-Northern alliance war NOT post some inflamatory attack from on Jade or the NVA. There are a lot of corps in the NVA that were not even there durring those times, so stop judging the NVA based on a memory from your time back in the VA.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.25 08:46:00 -
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Ehm, STAIN ALLIANCE was NOT involved in anything "up there".
But some corps from SA were there.
Because SA corps acts individually outside of Stain. So, some corps went up there to fight, doing it as corporations, not in the name of SA.
Thats a great quote.
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.11.25 09:28:00 -
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Reclaimer what he means was that it was not an organized effort and the Alliance did not allocate efforts to the NVA because of the battle with the CA.
Since we are anti-pirate and the political ideology of the NVA represents many corporations of the SA, it was natural that some corporations would send in help.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.25 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 25/11/2003 10:44:17
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Reclaimer what he means was that it was not an organized effort and the Alliance did not allocate efforts to the NVA because of the battle with the CA.
Since we are anti-pirate and the political ideology of the NVA represents many corporations of the SA, it was natural that some corporations would send in help.
Yet you label our entire alliance as pirates due to the actions of 2 corps from 3 month ago?
OK how about we say that outside Curse our corps are responsible for their own actions, and it doesnt reflect CA as a whole
Luckily im past the point of caring what we are labelled. I just like the fact everyones atention is on us 24/7
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.25 11:35:00 -
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All this "nay sir! you are a pirate alliance"
"indeed I am not sir!"
"I believe you to be a cad, and a bounder!"
"Take that back sir - your impudence offends me greatly!"
"It pleases me greatly that my impudence offends you greatly! You shall feel my glove on your cheeks sir, if you continue to protest so!"
Etc etc etc
In the end, who cares what people think?
I think all the alliances in Eve should get together and have a mass debate. (did I spell that right?)
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.25 11:48:00 -
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All this "nay sir! you are a pirate alliance"
"indeed I am not sir!"
"I believe you to be a cad, and a bounder!"
"Take that back sir - your impudence offends me greatly!"
"It pleases me greatly that my impudence offends you greatly! You shall feel my glove on your cheeks sir, if you continue to protest so!"
Etc etc etc
In the end, who cares what people think?
I think all the alliances in Eve should get together and have a mass debate. (did I spell that right?)
I can tell you have been waiting years for an opportunity to use the words mass and debate together
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.11.25 11:50:00 -
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well Nirvy, its always good to take things in hand and give them a good thrashing in pubic...
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2003.11.25 12:08:00 -
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The sad yet irrefutable fact is that most people are completely unable of even the simplest thought. Let's review.
TTi WAS backstabbed, but in a way they also betrayed their own. The alliance had agreed to die for them when they declared the council void.
Also, let's view the essence of the entity that is "alliance".
Now, let's assume that corporations within this alliance specialize somewhat. I.e. you have military corporations and industry corporations. These military corporations, of course, have the most experience with combat, while the industry corporation makes more money. Naturally, the industrials should be paying the military to protect them, rather than scramble up their own ineffective militia and let the military fight with sticks and stones. In EVE (and this has been proven again and again), trained personnel far outweighs hardware, evident in the fact that four to five frigates can take a scorpion, and fitted Blackbirds stand a good chance against Apocalypse battleships.
In effect, you join an alliance to make up for your weakness. In the case of the miners and traders, the weakness is the military side. In the case of the fighters, the economic infrastructure is the weakness.
And then you have the independents, such as Evolution, who have managed to remain economically independent.
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Huzzy
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Posted - 2003.11.25 12:36:00 -
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ok. this is getting old
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.11.25 12:40:00 -
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well said Lian BTW how is the cutest girl in tranquility doing
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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Lombardo
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Posted - 2003.11.25 12:44:00 -
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Hmm Interesting....
All miners and manufacturers should pay others to enjoy the best part of the game that is PVP?
no thanks, corps should be better led and organised IMHO
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