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Cpt Armarlio
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.05 18:44:09 -
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Hello everyone I just wanted to inform you about the GÇ£free wrecksGÇ¥ channel. Its a channel where mission runners offer their wrecks (as the title says) for free, to any willing salvager. We aim to help out newer players by alleviating the boundaries they fall into from making ISK with little to none skills or knowledge; what to do and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.
Not only is GÇ£free wrecksGÇ¥ a great place for newer players to make ISK, but it's a great place for new and old players socialise, to meet and exchange knowledge of what to do and (hopefully) form lasting friendships.
Join our in game channel today GÇ£Free WrecksGÇ¥ and we hope to pair you up with someone who can offer you GÇ£free wrecksGÇ¥ or find a personal salvager.
The "Free Wrecks" channel is sponsored by Pro Synergy
**Also to note the channel is moderated by several people to filter out scammers.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8417
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Posted - 2015.09.05 19:22:59 -
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You might as well call the channel "Pompous Carebear Circlejerk"...while your intentions are probably good, steering capsuleers away from ACTUAL HUMAN INTERACTION GAMEPLAY (aka, ninja'ing) doesn't make any sense. Don't foster the mindset of entitlement and of loss-aversion...no one likes a pathologically greedy loner in an MMORPG!
Do you want them to just be mindless drones, forever shooting blinking red crosses and with no experience of the game beyond that? Why not instead turn your channel into one where older players can teach younger ones to scan down mission sites effectively, and how to ninja - not just mission sites but exploration ones too?
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8417
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Posted - 2015.09.05 19:25:49 -
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I think that, at least, the act of bringing people together is commendable. Please don't get me wrong about that. I just think teaching new players good life lessons that will stay with them throughout their EVE career would be more beneficial :)
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
540
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Posted - 2015.09.05 19:27:27 -
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Alas, one derp for your first feedback.
I think change the name just to give a bit of flavour. I for one welcome the idea of working with those who ask. Ninja and I shoot wrecks. Ask, and I abandon them for you with bookmarks.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Cpt Armarlio
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.05 19:33:39 -
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Bumblefck wrote:You might as well call the channel "Pompous Carebear Circlejerk"...while your intentions are probably good, steering capsuleers away from ACTUAL HUMAN INTERACTION GAMEPLAY (aka, ninja'ing) doesn't make any sense. Don't foster the mindset of entitlement and of loss-aversion...no one likes a pathologically greedy loner in an MMORPG!
Do you want them to just be mindless drones, forever shooting blinking red crosses and with no experience of the game beyond that? Why not instead turn your channel into one where older players can teach younger ones to scan down mission sites effectively, and how to ninja - not just mission sites but exploration ones too?
Its just to help them PLEX their account and then they can go onto decide what to do. Going straight into PVP from the get go can be fun and all that but I doesn't make you a billion ISK in a very easy way..... where as salvaging can.
IGÇÖve seen salvagers can a billion in a week. |
Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
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Posted - 2015.09.05 19:43:12 -
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If OP initiative is honest, I applaud, It is nice to see people doing good.
For the detractors however:
When you say human interaction you mean veterans shooting rookies. I assume.
Because otherwise, being in the company of a veteran missions runner and having the oportunity to see first hand what it is like is by definition human interaction.
This kind of statement as any bearing the "carebear" concept is always an example of "I want you to play the way I want because I only can enjoy the game if people play it the way I want".
Meanwhile, you have infindable threads where people are crying rivers because the so called "pvpers" get upset when they bother the Russian "carebears" and they show up with hundreds of ships and obliterate eventually anyone.
Do you see issue here ? Do you get why people really dont care about your definition of human interaction ?
WorldTradersGuild.Com [WTG] - We are here for the long haul
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Amber Starview
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.05 19:48:41 -
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I think it sounds a fine idea although think their is already something like this ....ignore angry bitter people like bumble telling u how/what to do ....unfortunately eve has s few like this who think their opinion is everything and they are wrong ....do what u like its a sandbox ,if the haters hate then tough |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8419
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Posted - 2015.09.05 20:15:16 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:
Do you see issue here ? Do you get why people really dont care about your definition of human interaction ?
You in particular seem to care very much about it.
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8419
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Posted - 2015.09.05 20:16:51 -
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My issue was essentially with this line in the OP:
"help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging."
implying that there is something wrong with this profession.
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Cpt Armarlio
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.05 20:18:36 -
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Amber Starview wrote:I think it sounds a fine idea although think their is already something like this ....ignore angry bitter people like bumble telling u how/what to do ....unfortunately eve has s few like this who think their opinion is everything and they are wrong ....do what u like its a sandbox ,if the haters hate then tough
This is the GÇ£already something like thisGÇ¥.
Free wrecks has been around since 2009 but most of the mission runners are doing other stuff and salvagers either got rich and moved on or plexed their account and move over to Pro Synergy or other stuff. |
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
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Posted - 2015.09.05 20:28:17 -
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Bumblefck wrote:My issue was essentially with this line in the OP:
"help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging."
implying that there is something wrong with this profession.
Yes, the fact that someone is unable to imply they dont like a given kind of gameplay is exactly the kind of freedom you have.
Some people mistake democracy with freedom. It is perfectly normal in a free social media to discuss anything. In a democratic society you have to manifest only that which the majority allows you.
While it is freedom to be able to consider a ninja salvager scum, it is democratic to forbid such assertion because the majority of the people wants it like that, and worse yet, the majority of the appointed representatives.
So yeah, basically you are free to be a ninja salvage, but you cant expect everyone to like you for that.
WorldTradersGuild.Com [WTG] - We are here for the long haul
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8420
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Posted - 2015.09.05 20:48:32 -
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Quote:When you say human interaction you mean veterans shooting rookies. I assume.
You assume wrongly (again). You shouldn't do that too much, you know what it does to you, right?
I mean ANY human interaction. Carebears generally shy away from any form of direct PVP. Tell me, what's the typical response in this situation: Somebody warps into your mission, and starts stealing loot and/or salvaging under your nose. What would you do?
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4336
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Posted - 2015.09.05 20:55:30 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:So yeah, basically you are free to be a ninja salvage, but you cant expect everyone to like you for that.
No, no you can't expect someone to like you for that. That would be dumb. It would also be dumb to dissuade someone from ninja salvaging, what with it being valid gameplay and all.
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Sasha Nyemtsov
Systems Administration and Control
172
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Posted - 2015.09.05 21:36:40 -
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Thank you. Your altruism may well provide an unexpected windfall to the target-hungry elite PvPers of Highsec.
I fear that not all of your greedy little salvagers will be new players; some at least are likely to be experienced carebears with a taste for Level 4 Mission scrap - and no Permit in their bio, either.
Whether new player or not, the resulting carnage is likely to be as hilarious as it is predictable.
Predictable because your channel would provide any of my alts with the means to place an attractive advertisement, promising lots of lovely blue wrecks from certain well-known and lucrative missions.
Helpful bookmarks will add to the lure, ensuring that the visitor arrives at just the right spot for a pleasant and light-hearted conversation with an Agent of the New Order of Highsec, such as myself. Ahem.
I wish your initiative every success.
www.minerbumping.com
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
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Posted - 2015.09.05 21:50:39 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Estevan Valladares wrote:So yeah, basically you are free to be a ninja salvage, but you cant expect everyone to like you for that. No, no you can't expect someone to like you for that. That would be dumb. It would also be dumb to dissuade someone from ninja salvaging, what with it being valid gameplay and all.
It would also be dumb to dissuade someone from trying to show people how you can be a salvager without being a ninja salvager, specially when many ninja salvagers are shot dead quickly.
Go ninja salvage the russians ... lol
We can do this all day, because you defend the right of a person to be free to restrict the right of another, and that is supremelly dumb.
WorldTradersGuild.Com [WTG] - We are here for the long haul
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ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
511
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Posted - 2015.09.05 22:04:33 -
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Deleted an insulting post and those quoting it. Just because someone doesn't play EVE a certain way doesn't mean it's wrong. It's part of the sandbox.
Quote:Forum rules2. Be respectful toward others at all times.The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 5. Trolling is prohibited.Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
ISD Supogo
Lieutenant Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
1006
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Posted - 2015.09.05 22:12:57 -
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My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.
Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
51843
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Posted - 2015.09.05 22:23:47 -
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This thread should have been posted in the sub-forum 'Missions & Complexes'.
+1 to the OP.
I remember when the 'Free Wrecks' channel was first created. It was a very good idea back then and it's still a very good idea. This service creates an excellent option for new players to gain ISK.
As for using the channel to gank players, that very well can happen. However any character that provides bookmarks for gank trap's can be backlisted and kicked from the channel.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.05 22:25:31 -
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Val'Dore wrote:My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.
Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened.
And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras.
But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force.
WorldTradersGuild.Com [WTG] - We are here for the long haul
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Sasha Nyemtsov
Systems Administration and Control
172
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Posted - 2015.09.05 22:36:25 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:Val'Dore wrote:My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.
Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened. And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras. But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force.
.... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all?
snicker...
www.minerbumping.com
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.05 22:46:23 -
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Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Estevan Valladares wrote:Val'Dore wrote:My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.
Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened. And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras. But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force. .... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all? snicker...
Nope, I was hopeing for something russian style.
WorldTradersGuild.Com [WTG] - We are here for the long haul
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Sasha Nyemtsov
Systems Administration and Control
172
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Posted - 2015.09.05 23:16:58 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Estevan Valladares wrote:Val'Dore wrote:My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.
Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened. And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras. But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force. .... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all? snicker... Nope, I was hopeing for something russian style.
Check out the name :)
www.minerbumping.com
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.05 23:39:11 -
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Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Estevan Valladares wrote:Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Estevan Valladares wrote:Val'Dore wrote:My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.
Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened. And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras. But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force. .... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all? snicker... Nope, I was hopeing for something russian style. Check out the name :)
And ? I m Estevan and I aint Spanish.
WorldTradersGuild.Com [WTG] - We are here for the long haul
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Cpt Armarlio
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.09.05 23:49:02 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:As for using the channel to gank players, that very well can happen. However any character that provides bookmarks for gank trap's can be backlisted and kicked from the channel.
Yeh we try to keep close tabs on such matters. Its happens but with a little conversation you can often tell right away from their attitude what their intentions are. |
Hal Morsh
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
401
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Posted - 2015.09.05 23:51:37 -
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Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Estevan Valladares wrote:Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Estevan Valladares wrote:Val'Dore wrote:My worry would be the reverse, supposedly newbie salvagers whom are actually alts of someone looking for blingboats to fry.
Well my blingboat has been waiting for some time for someone to try... so I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing if it finally happened. And I hope OP if honest in his offer, has take it into consideration and have some human interaction ready for those attempting on his rookie remoras. But that may not be considered human interaction for some, who dont like when your attempt of scoring unballanced kills is met by superior force. .... a superior force such as that represented by our fearsome anti-ganking community, whose successes are legion and well-known to all? snicker... Nope, I was hopeing for something russian style. Check out the name :)
Dayyyyyuumm
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1602
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Posted - 2015.09.06 04:04:36 -
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used to be active in the channel and gave away wrecks, but have moved to a more blitz play style and generate so few wrecks that are so spread out that it seems more effort than it is worth.
an awesome thing when it works out though.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Sasha Nyemtsov
Systems Administration and Control
174
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Posted - 2015.09.06 06:54:05 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:
And ? I m Estevan and I aint Spanish.
Good Riposte!
www.minerbumping.com
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4338
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Posted - 2015.09.06 08:22:04 -
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Estevan Valladares wrote:
We can do this all day, because you defend the right of a person to be free to restrict the right of another, and that is supremelly dumb.
No. I simply 'defend the right' of a person to be properly informed about what the game allows. Not some wishy washy 'herp derp you're infringing on muh freedoms' BS you're painting this as. My point is people shouldn't take this game that seriously. Play to win by all means, but at the end of he day, this still just a game. All I ask is people act like it, instead of assigning moral judgements upon people and their character for how they play the game.
I have no problem with this channel, or what it's there for. I applaud anyone's efforts to help out new players, even if it's not how I would go about it. I just wanted to point out that actively dissuading someone from ninja salvaging is silly. That's how it looked like, whether that's actually what's being done I don't know.
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Niriel Greez
Specimen 794
Project.Mayhem.
25
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Posted - 2015.09.06 11:09:03 -
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Cpt Armarlio wrote:and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.
Yeah, show them the joy of salvaging wreck after wreck which is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
To even imply they have to seek your permission to salvage your wrecks is ridiculous. You are about as low in the food chain as can be and chances are the wrecks were never your property to begin with, because you cannot own that what you are not willing to defend. |
Malt Zedong
WorldTradersGuild.Com
42
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Posted - 2015.09.06 17:29:46 -
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Niriel Greez wrote:Cpt Armarlio wrote:and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.
Yeah, show them the joy of salvaging wreck after wreck which is about as exciting as watching paint dry. To even imply they have to seek your permission to salvage your wrecks is ridiculous. You are about as low in the food chain as can be and chances are the wrecks were never your property to begin with, because you cannot own that what you are not willing to defend.
Another example of "You have to like what I like and play the way I play".
People dont need other people to say what is boring or exciting, they need to find it by themselves. You see, the guy is not saying he will prevent people from being ninja salvagers, he is saying that he can show people they can belong and do something in a different way.
If it is boring for them, they will find out eventually, and seek other oportunities. They have to have the freedom of finding out, and people have to have the freedom of not likeing something, again, even if it is allowed to be done by mechanics.
The guys deffending ninja salvaging are the ones trying to prey on new people and tell them what they should like or do. What is boring what is exciting.
Always the same. "Freedom fighters who fight to make people free to do what they, the liberators, think it is freedom".
Quote:"Who I am to you deppend on what ideas you are slave of.
What I accomplished is important deppending on what ideas you are slave of.
Who or what I should obey, serve or fear, also deppends on what ideas you are slave of.
If I choose to be a slave of one person rather than a slave of several people through the submission to their ideas, it is up to me.
It all ends up being the same.
At least I am a slave to coherent ideas and not to ilusions of freedom or power.
I am sure I know who I serve and to what end.
Do YOU ?"
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7141
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Posted - 2015.09.07 06:57:59 -
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Cpt Armarlio wrote:Hello everyone I just wanted to inform you about the GÇ£free wrecksGÇ¥ channel. Its a channel where mission runners offer their wrecks (as the title says) for free, to any willing salvager. We aim to help out newer players by alleviating the boundaries they fall into from making ISK with little to none skills or knowledge; what to do and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging. Not only is GÇ£free wrecksGÇ¥ a great place for newer players to make ISK, but it's a great place for new and old players socialise, to meet and exchange knowledge of what to do and (hopefully) form lasting friendships. Join our in game channel today GÇ£Free WrecksGÇ¥ and we hope to pair you up with someone who can offer you GÇ£free wrecksGÇ¥ or find a personal salvager. The "Free Wrecks" channel is sponsored by Pro Synergy**Also to note the channel is moderated by several people to filter out scammers.
Good to see that great channel is still around after all these years.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Niriel Greez
Specimen 794
Project.Mayhem.
25
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Posted - 2015.09.07 10:03:23 -
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Malt Zedong wrote:Niriel Greez wrote:Cpt Armarlio wrote:and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.
Yeah, show them the joy of salvaging wreck after wreck which is about as exciting as watching paint dry. To even imply they have to seek your permission to salvage your wrecks is ridiculous. You are about as low in the food chain as can be and chances are the wrecks were never your property to begin with, because you cannot own that what you are not willing to defend. Another example of "You have to like what I like and play the way I play". People dont need other people to say what is boring or exciting, they need to find it by themselves. You see, the guy is not saying he will prevent people from being ninja salvagers, he is saying that he can show people they can belong and do something in a different way. If it is boring for them, they will find out eventually, and seek other oportunities. They have to have the freedom of finding out, and people have to have the freedom of not likeing something, again, even if it is allowed to be done by mechanics. The guys deffending ninja salvaging are the ones trying to prey on new people and tell them what they should like or do. What is boring what is exciting. Always the same. "Freedom fighters who fight to make people free to do what they, the liberators, think it is freedom". Quote:"Who I am to you deppend on what ideas you are slave of.
What I accomplished is important deppending on what ideas you are slave of.
Who or what I should obey, serve or fear, also deppends on what ideas you are slave of.
If I choose to be a slave of one person rather than a slave of several people through the submission to their ideas, it is up to me.
It all ends up being the same.
At least I am a slave to coherent ideas and not to ilusions of freedom or power.
I am sure I know who I serve and to what end.
Do YOU ?"
Except that it's a terrible way to present the game to a new player.
Mining isn't emergent, dynamic or exciting gameplay - this is a fact. It is also a fact that there are certain individuals who still enjoy it, but it cannot be considered an activity that challenges the human mind and surely does not represent the pinnacle of what this game has to offer.
But to even think that you are being helpful by basically telling a new player 'hey, lock up this wreck, click salvage and repeat this a few hundred times', is extremely stupid and ignorant.
The approach of 'hey, go salvage that guy's wrecks and see if you can find a way to kill him if he's dumb enough to aggress you' creates an engaging experience of figuring out how to accomplish these tasks successfully.
The game might be a sandbox, but it is also a PvP-centric game and people should stop pretending otherwise. |
Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.07 21:34:17 -
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Except that it's a terrible way to present the game to a new player.
That is not a fact, that is YOUR view, which a person could disagree. I do, I know people who does, and they are not just one or two. That is the classic example: "Play the way I like because it is the right way to play."
Mining isn't emergent, dynamic or exciting gameplay
Again not a fact. Again your own accessment, you just one second time say it is a fact, now directly.
But to even think that you are being helpful by basically telling a new player 'hey, lock up this wreck, click salvage and repeat this a few hundred times', is extremely stupid and ignorant.
Ignorant is to ignore something. Ignoring for example that for ME, combat in eve is boring and mindless job. I like combat, and that is why I do it in other games, because in here, no matter how much you think it is, for me it is not. The difference is I know that is MY opinion, not a fact.
The approach of 'hey, go salvage that guy's wrecks and see if you can find a way to kill him if he's dumb enough to aggress you' creates an engaging experience of figuring out how to accomplish these tasks successfully.
Again, another time, you say something that is entirely your own feelings, opinions and views as being the general consensus. It is not. And you cannot make it so by repeating it all the time.
The game might be a sandbox, but it is also a PvP-centric game and people should stop pretending otherwise.
The same place when you draw the PVP centric concept also states that pvp in eve takes many forms. Your narrow mind is the one implying that it must take a form of armed combat and blunt defiance. Again, you simply get what EVE is to you and make it seem as it is for everyone.
Someone once told me that I draw too much examples from real life. Yes, and that is because in EVE or in real life, everything is cause and effect. The fact that you do this "Play the way I like because it is the right way" is basically the same in real life, IT SERVES NO PURPOSE ingame. If it is just a game and dont matter, why matter so much to convince people that the game is the way you see it rather than leave them alone to see it anyway they want ? Why bothers people so much that I dont agree that I have to do or play the way you do ?
This is the oldest thing in EVE and even CCP aknowledges that making mechanics and modules to the exact intent of protecting people which are not combating with firearms. And that is the reason you guys come here to try the "shame game" on the people who like this other side.
It is the exact idea that you cant fight us in our fight, so you either draw people to your area, or just cry out in the forums saying that "it is not fair", "it is not honor", or whatever non-sense the other threads talk about when you simply dont fight or dont like fighting.
I proudly have been avoiding fights in my hauling and helping people in their mining and salvaging from a long time, and I never saw how the few times I fought were any more interesting or mind exhausting.
If it is just a game, it is just a game no matter what. If you come to say your "likes" are facts, it is not just a game. Let people play the way you want. If you want to prove you right, just run a pirate salvage corp and be happy.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8460
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Posted - 2015.09.07 21:44:41 -
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Oh, give the pseudo-intellectual political philosophy treatises a rest why don't you, it's just a game.
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Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2015.09.07 22:13:22 -
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Some Elite Wrecks salvaging contains rare parts.
Some other rare Manufacturing components maybe can only be found from Salvaging.
(...the post was thrown into search but was saved automatically by returning to the previous page.)
I was going to post about you, Pro Synergy, since I posted about offering wreck locations for ingame ISK.
This, to include, , wrecks from PvP and not only mission.
We also discussed in the past but that was it.
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Estevan Valladares
WorldTradersGuild.Com
16
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Posted - 2015.09.07 22:34:52 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Oh, give the pseudo-intellectual political philosophy treatises a rest why don't you, it's just a game.
So lets blunt reality.
Lock target, no matter what target is the same.
Orbit, choose the path and react to attacks is the same no matter which target it is, npc or otherwise.
Being hit by a player or npc, strictly gamewise, is exactly the same.
Lock and pop a npc or a player, removing the idea of being another person who has feelings about being hit, is just the same.
Doing logistics, salvaging, preventing being attacked while doing missions, attacking a player or mining is exactly the same mechanics wise.
The controls, the UI, the ship and the reactions strictly commanded by mechanics are also the same.
What really makes it different doing it for this or that purpose ?
By game mechanics or button pressing, it is exactly the same.
The only difference is what that means out of the game for the people participating.
If it is just a game, and it doesnt matter, it also doesnt matter who or what it is because the who is a game character, and what is a game reward.
If nothing beyond the game matters, why play at all ?
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Ultim8Evil
Full Spectrum Inc
Fidelas Constans
207
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Posted - 2015.09.07 22:42:07 -
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"Matching cargo/ship scanning ganker alts with potential shiny pi+¦atas"
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics
CODE.
291
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Posted - 2015.09.08 03:02:06 -
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I'm putting all my alts in here now because I didn't like your tone or lack of deference. THIS is emergent gameplay. I hope for their sake that all your salvagers have permits.
Hey sasha, recon we could make October a salvager focused month, just as we're currently hunting explorers? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1621
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Posted - 2015.09.08 20:04:00 -
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Niriel Greez wrote:Cpt Armarlio wrote:and help them not to fall to the ninja side of salvaging.
Yeah, show them the joy of salvaging wreck after wreck which is about as exciting as watching paint dry. To even imply they have to seek your permission to salvage your wrecks is ridiculous. You are about as low in the food chain as can be and chances are the wrecks were never your property to begin with, because you cannot own that what you are not willing to defend.
when it lets newbies get a quick surplus of isk so they can move on to other activities early on, I'd say that's a good thing. Plus with this kind of arrangement they usually get the loot too.
ninja salvaging seems horribly inefficient in terms of isk making... although if they shoot you and get concorded that's probably a nice injection.
@ChainsawPlankto
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