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Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.07 11:25:11 -
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So your friends have money and are willing to spend it, but they dont want to pay the subscription ?
That ... makes no sense.
Your real complain is that your friends dont start at the same skillpoint level as a 10 year old player. Thats a totally different thing than your topic stays. IF EvE would go F2P it would change nothing about the fact that your friends still start in a frig.
CCP allready stated that new player starting skillpoints are to low and will likely be buffed in the near future. But this will not be as mutch as you hope it will be. |
Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.09 08:14:26 -
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Verstal wrote:CCP also has always had this issue of players effecting their customers as we are all in sandbox, Expert players can ruin the excitement for Eve very quickly losing that customer forever. This could be customer that would have been willing to spend up to 500-1000 dollars on the product for subscription fees.
This is actually not true. Many EvE players, including myself, tryed out the game multiple times before they finally stayed to play it for a longer period of time. I came back for the exact reason that, after i saw how complex EvE was, no other game out there could live up to that standard.
People stayed in the game even when there was no new player experiance.
Can the new player experiance be improved ? Sure. Do we want to change the game drastically just to keep some new players that would otherwise leave ? Hell no.
Verstal wrote:My role is a hybrid very rare - Programmer - Artist - Designer - Producer = They call us Technical Directors these days since we can touch so much of the product to improve the quality or build a small part of the game by ourselves with our own hands with out breaking the entire game while doing so.
The thread title still talks about F2P which is a pretey drastical change that would effect ALL parts of the game. As many people (including CCP) have stated multiple times over the years, this would break the entire game. Now take a look at your own definition of a good "Technical Director".
Throughout this thread, starting with your opening post, you just put random ideas in this thread without thinking them through first. You keep talking in vague visions instead of finished solid concepts. Im a software designer myself and I can tell you : You realy do still have a lot to learn. |
Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.09 08:57:19 -
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Tippia wrote:Actually, that role is very common. You see it all the time in Kickstarer spiels, where a guy has some grandiose idea and some experience in tinkering, but no idea how to actually make something that works, much less a compelling product.
I think we got a little Chris Roberts here.
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Sorry couldnt stop myself. |
Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.10 07:59:17 -
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Webvan wrote:Max Deveron wrote:And yeah the other questions your dodging i would love to see you try and answer them. Right now your credibility is 0, and your understanding of EvE is 0. Well after doing a little research on this poster (Verstal), I don't think they have ever really put much time into EVE, if any at all. Made an account in 07, just returned a week ago. In an NPC corp for years untouched. No standings. Even is linking this thread in bio. Either a total troll (post with your main?), or has been playing something like WoW or LOL all these years and is now here to save us from certain destruction (along with 3mil ragequitters from WoW over flying mounts). I call BS. Really, OP, you should spend some time playing EVE before making sweeping judgements and wanting EVE to entirely change for you. If your friends from the other game are not interested, maybe it's just that you don't really know how to answer them yet nor know how to guide them into actually experiencing the game as it should be experienced; as you have not really done so yourself. Your game changing ideas are just bad, flat out bad, and maybe you would realize that if you spent time in the game, yourself.
But .... but .... but he is a super awesome "Programmer - Artist - Designer - Producer" that has trained other game designers for 15+ years. He told us multiple times how mutch experiance he has and how awesome he is. LISTEN TO HIM! Just look at how skillfull he dodged the questions that poke holes in his ideas and how awesome he mutes people that use solid arguments, causality and logic to deconstruct his visions that will save us all.
Lex Gabinia wrote: Source? Or are you just making numbers up.... again?
Dont bother asking concrete questions. He will ether mute you or come up with a other spontanious and totaly awesome idea that will save EvE once and for all ... by killing it.
This thead should be locked. OP constantly changes topic, randomly mutes people that "do not see the light" and uses this thread to profile himself as the goodfather of game designing. Since im probably getting muted, im out. bb
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Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.10 08:46:16 -
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Verstal wrote:Captain Awkward wrote:stuff Its closer to 26 years I started pretty young. :-) I am sure you helped a lot of people today learn Eve so they will get excited about making the commitment to sending a few dollars to CCP so that the servers and sandbox will open to all for another 10 years. If not, please do your part and go help someone. The topic is -- Would it be possible for CCP to make Eve free to play? Have you contributed any ideas, I cant remember.
Wow. 26 years and your still more naive then I was on my first day.
Have I help new players into this game? Well I intruduced firends to EvE. And contrary to your game designer friends, they are still playing and paying to this day.
Your topic is a question. The question has bin answered multiple times. The answer was NO. So unless you ask a question and ignore all answers that are not the answer you wanted to hear, this thread can be closed now. |
Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:23:40 -
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Verstal wrote: CCP design decisions haven't had the goal of putting new fun into the game but breaking up groups that play for free and dont pay them anything.
So you dont even understand how the plex system works and that CCP does not loose money but instead even get more money through plex ?
Verstal wrote: The development world has continued to raise the bar by offering easier to learn games with more instant gratification. CCP needs plan to take note of these trends in some cases match them Eve, not by destroying the product but shape it so new players will find something they like enough to give the game some effort over other products.
So one last time. EvE is a game for people who dont want a easy to learn game and instand gratification. The entire exsisting playerbase is playing it because of that.
You cant save EvE by attacking the very core of why the exsisting player base is playing it. We are oldshool hardcore players. If people like us are a gaming dinosaur then so be it. One day we might go extinct. But if we go, we do it with pride and our heads up high and not betray the very core of what we are. |
Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.10 11:25:09 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:Captain Awkward wrote:
So one last time. EvE is a game for people who dont want a easy to learn game and instand gratification. The entire exsisting playerbase is playing it because of that.
You cant save EvE by attacking the very core of why the exsisting player base is playing it. We are oldshool hardcore players. If people like us are a gaming dinosaur then so be it. One day we might go extinct. But if we go, we do it with pride and our heads up high and not betray the very core of what we are.
Can't speak in Verstal's name (I'm not his alt ofc) but I totally don't have a problem with that, and I didn't suggest any gameplay changes that would give instant gratification, only a revision of the subscription model that would make new players more likely to at least give the game a try for few weeks - yes I know most of them will go but nobody will stay only if you don't try to bring anyone in. My problem is with the vets who are unsubbing (doesn't matter if you don't personally know any of them, since the numbers in the chart I linked prove otherwise), and if you can't bring them back (which would probably be preferrable) at least find a way to attract some new blood. Therefore the real question is how you're going to increase player numbers (if that's what anyone other than Verstal and me in this thread even want) without flattening the learning curve EVE is (in)famous for.
New player already can try out the game for a few weeks. The trail account is 30 days. Thats is enough time to decide if you want to throw 10 bucks at the game to try it out another month. F2P will not change that. (Which is by the way still the topic of this thread right?) The way the game itself teaches new player has bin improved a lot over the years and as far as I know CCP has not stopped improving it even further. I dont see a problem here.
If anything, CCP could put a little more advertising out there to raise attention and get more people to try out the game in the first place.
Verstal pulled some wild numbers of 0,1% new player get over 6 months out of his 3 letters and has faild to provide any scource for that claim. The truth is : We have absolutely now idea how many trail accounts make it into played accounts and how many of those payed accounts make it make it over 6 months. And how many of those are actually new players and how many are alt accounts of players that already own a EvE account. |
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